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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 30, 2017 20:33:53 GMT
A MCU X-men without Wolverine would be the perfect way to say "This won't be Logan and Friends". Bring him in later as they are making Storm, Rogue, Cyclops, Jean, etc into the characters they should have been this whole time. Actually, Jean is a terrible character in the comics. There's a reason why the only story that she has anything to do with is the Phoenix Saga...it's the only story she ever had to her name.
And we already had the best version of the Phoenix Saga put on the screen already, it was called Akira.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Nov 30, 2017 20:37:57 GMT
A MCU X-men without Wolverine would be the perfect way to say "This won't be Logan and Friends". Bring him in later as they are making Storm, Rogue, Cyclops, Jean, etc into the characters they should have been this whole time. Also the MCU would totally have Wolverine. The Russo Bros really want him. Wolverine hasn’t been the lead of a X-film since X3. |
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Nov 30, 2017 20:44:50 GMT
A MCU X-men without Wolverine would be the perfect way to say "This won't be Logan and Friends". Bring him in later as they are making Storm, Rogue, Cyclops, Jean, etc into the characters they should have been this whole time. Also the MCU would totally have Wolverine. The Russo Bros really want him. Wolverine hasn’t been the lead of a X-film since X3.I guess you didn't see DoFP? |
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Nov 30, 2017 20:47:45 GMT
Also the MCU would totally have Wolverine. The Russo Bros really want him. Wolverine hasn’t been the lead of a X-film since X3.I guess you didn't see DoFP? I guess you didn’t see it. Since Wolverine has less screentime than Xavier and Singer started that Xavier was the lead not Logan. Ask yourself: who was it that stopped Mystique? |
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Nov 30, 2017 20:52:08 GMT
I guess you didn't see DoFP? I guess you didn’t see DOFP Wolverine has less screentime than Xavier and Singer started that Xavier was the lead. Ask yourself: who was it that stopped Mystique? Wolverine manages to stop Mystique from killing Trask in Paris. This erases the original timeline. |
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Post by kuatorises on Nov 30, 2017 20:52:24 GMT
No disrespect to the Fox fans but, It’s time. Fox has been the night watchman of this franchise for decades. We need new blood. For bonus points, pick out the inaugural team. Blue team front and center. cyclops beast iceman marvel girl angel
fuck Wolverine
Villians can be S.H.I.E.L.D., the Shadow King or Arcade. You're dreaming if you think Wolverine would be involved. He's one of the most popular character's in comic book history. I don't know about everyone else, but frankly I'm sick of the government being the bad guy. It's tired and frankly not always true. People always act like authority is in the wrong, but turn on the news – hell go on any message board or comments section in an article or on social media – and you see that the masses are just as bad if not worse. SHIELD hasn't done anything worse than Loki or even some of the heroes. I don't know why, but I don't think this would be as successful as you think it would be. I get the feeling that people are a little tired of the X-Men franchise. |
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Nov 30, 2017 20:54:12 GMT
I guess you didn’t see DOFP Wolverine has less screentime than Xavier and Singer started that Xavier was the lead. Ask yourself: who was it that stopped Mystique? Wolverine manages to stop Mystique from killing Trask in Paris. This erases the original timeline. Rewatch the movie. It was Styker that stopped her at Paris and that didn’t change the timeline. |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 30, 2017 21:02:20 GMT
No disrespect to the Fox fans but, It’s time. Fox has been the night watchman of this franchise for decades. We need new blood. For bonus points, pick out the inaugural team. Blue team front and center. cyclops beast iceman marvel girl angel
fuck Wolverine
Villians can be S.H.I.E.L.D., the Shadow King or Arcade. You're dreaming if you think Wolverine would be involved. He's one of the most popular character's in comic book history. I don't know about everyone else, but frankly I'm sick of the government being the bad guy. It's tired and frankly not always true. People always act like authority is in the wrong, but turn on the news – hell go on any message board or comments section in an article or on social media – and you see that the masses are just as bad if not worse. SHIELD hasn't done anything worse than Loki or even some of the heroes. I don't know why, but I don't think this would be as successful as you think it would be. I get the feeling that people are a little tired of the X-Men franchise. Wolverine is profoundly overexposed and, frankly, overrated. If he leads the new X-Men franchise, he will smother and dominate all of the other characters. If he must be in the franchise at the very beginning, I'd prefer they never do it at all. Starting with the classic team and building up to "All New, All Different" is the best way to honor the source material and create a genuine X-Men story arc that doesn't revolve around one psychotic Canadian. At the end of the day, it's up to Kevin, and I'm willing to bet that he gets this. |
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Nov 30, 2017 21:10:54 GMT
You're dreaming if you think Wolverine would be involved. He's one of the most popular character's in comic book history. I don't know about everyone else, but frankly I'm sick of the government being the bad guy. It's tired and frankly not always true. People always act like authority is in the wrong, but turn on the news – hell go on any message board or comments section in an article or on social media – and you see that the masses are just as bad if not worse. SHIELD hasn't done anything worse than Loki or even some of the heroes. I don't know why, but I don't think this would be as successful as you think it would be. I get the feeling that people are a little tired of the X-Men franchise. Wolverine is profoundly overexposed and, frankly, overrated. If he leads the new X-Men franchise, he will smother and dominate all of the other characters. If he must be in the franchise at the very beginning, I'd prefer they never do it at all. Starting with the classic team and building up to "All New, All Different" is the best way to honor the source material and create a genuine X-Men story arc that doesn't revolve around one psychotic Canadian. At the end of the day, it's up to Kevin, and I'm willing to bet that he gets this. Kevin Feige worked on the first three X-Men films... |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 30, 2017 21:19:08 GMT
Wolverine is profoundly overexposed and, frankly, overrated. If he leads the new X-Men franchise, he will smother and dominate all of the other characters. If he must be in the franchise at the very beginning, I'd prefer they never do it at all. Starting with the classic team and building up to "All New, All Different" is the best way to honor the source material and create a genuine X-Men story arc that doesn't revolve around one psychotic Canadian. At the end of the day, it's up to Kevin, and I'm willing to bet that he gets this. Kevin Feige worked on the first three X-Men films... Which could suggest that he knows how much the character needs a break? Adding Wolverine to the MCU too soon would turn it into the WCU. I get the character's popularity and cult status but, he's become toxic to the X-Men narrative. If you start an X-Men team with him on it, you instantly inherit all of the character's dysfunction and baggage. I'm not saying he should never be in the MCU X-Men; I'm saying the X-Men shouldn't start with him in it. It's not the way the source material works, and it would probably end up as a retread of the Fox-Men - which we do not need. |
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Post by harpospoke on Nov 30, 2017 21:20:31 GMT
A MCU X-men without Wolverine would be the perfect way to say "This won't be Logan and Friends". Bring him in later as they are making Storm, Rogue, Cyclops, Jean, etc into the characters they should have been this whole time. Also the MCU would totally have Wolverine. The Russo Bros really want him. Wolverine hasn’t been the lead of a X-film since X3. You didn't see "Days of Wolverine Past"?  |
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Post by harpospoke on Nov 30, 2017 21:27:23 GMT
Kevin Feige worked on the first three X-Men films... Which could suggest that he knows how much the character needs a break? Adding Wolverine to the MCU too soon would turn it into the WCU. I get the character's popularity and cult status but, he's become toxic to the X-Men narrative. If you start an X-Men team with him on it, you instantly inherit all of the character's dysfunction and baggage. I'm not saying he should never be in the MCU X-Men; I'm saying the X-Men shouldn't start with him in it. It's not the way the source material works, and it would probably end up as a retread of the Fox-Men - which we do not need. He isn't even THAT popular. Sure he's done ok, but he didn't gross as much as Dr Strange in the US. Before Logan he wasn't able to out gross Ant-Man. In the comics he is a bigger deal than Dr Strange, Cap, Iron Man, Thor...but in the hands of Fox he couldn't compete with those characters. |
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Nov 30, 2017 21:45:58 GMT
Also the MCU would totally have Wolverine. The Russo Bros really want him. Wolverine hasn’t been the lead of a X-film since X3. You didn't see "Days of Wolverine Past"? LMAO you mean where he has little screentime that is least than Xavier(whom the film makers label as the lead)? 😆 Why in gods name do you think he’s the lead? |
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Nov 30, 2017 21:49:01 GMT
Which could suggest that he knows how much the character needs a break? Adding Wolverine to the MCU too soon would turn it into the WCU. I get the character's popularity and cult status but, he's become toxic to the X-Men narrative. If you start an X-Men team with him on it, you instantly inherit all of the character's dysfunction and baggage. I'm not saying he should never be in the MCU X-Men; I'm saying the X-Men shouldn't start with him in it. It's not the way the source material works, and it would probably end up as a retread of the Fox-Men - which we do not need. He isn't even THAT popular. Sure he's done ok, but he didn't gross as much as Dr Strange in the US. Before Logan he wasn't able to out gross Ant-Man.In the comics he is a bigger deal than Dr Strange, Cap, Iron Man, Thor...but in the hands of Fox he couldn't compete with those characters. Actually he did. $203,272,700 www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=wolverine.htm&adjust_yr=2015&p=.htmvs $180,202,163 www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=antman.htmEver heard of inflation? EDIT: That is more First Avenger, the first two Thors, and around Doctor Strange. |
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Post by No Morpho, Only Bánh mì on Nov 30, 2017 22:06:18 GMT
Separate Wolverine from the rest of the X-Men. I'm most excited for the inevitable buddy flick of Thor, Logan, and Hulk. I'm thinking space western or conflicting roommates situation...🤠
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Post by harpospoke on Dec 1, 2017 8:26:41 GMT
You didn't see "Days of Wolverine Past"? LMAO you mean where he has little screentime that is least than Xavier(whom the film makers label as the lead)? 😆 Why in gods name do you think he’s the lead? Because the whole story is his adventure into the past to save everyone. Fox has the rights to the real character from the comics that went back in time but of course they changed it to Logan. Big shock to exactly no one. Of course they would make it about a Logan adventure. They even wedge in a scene at the end where Logan is pulled up from the lake by Stryker. It's always gotta be about Logan with Fox. You shouldn't play the "screen time" card. Total screen time in Fox films: Logan-302:30 minutes Prof X-138:45 minutes Magneto-111:30 minutes Deadpool-84 minutes (That's right...DP is actually 4th...pathetic) Mystique-72 minutes Jean-55:30 minutes Beast-46:30 minutes Storm-38 minutes Cyclops-37 minutes Guess who comes next? X-23-31 minutes ...With just one movie she has more screen time than: Rogue, Iceman, Colossus, Nightcrawler, Quicksilver, Kitty Pryde, Angel, Psylocke, Gambit, Bishop. Holy smokes Fox sucks. Their Logan obsession is the worst thing that ever happened to the poor X-men. |
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Post by harpospoke on Dec 1, 2017 8:33:15 GMT
He isn't even THAT popular. Sure he's done ok, but he didn't gross as much as Dr Strange in the US. Before Logan he wasn't able to out gross Ant-Man.In the comics he is a bigger deal than Dr Strange, Cap, Iron Man, Thor...but in the hands of Fox he couldn't compete with those characters. Actually he did. $203,272,700 www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=wolverine.htm&adjust_yr=2015&p=.htmvs $180,202,163 www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=antman.htmEver heard of inflation? EDIT: That is more First Avenger, the first two Thors, and around Doctor Strange. I stand corrected. Fox barely managed to have one of the most popular characters in comics outgross B listers like Cap and Thor. ....That is until Marvel elevated Cap and Thor over him in popularity with their films while Fox continued doing what they do....wasting characters. |
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Dec 1, 2017 10:05:03 GMT
Because the whole story is his adventure into the past to save everyone. Not according to the people who made the film. Btw, do you think Charles Xavier was the lead in Wolverine and The X-Men? After all he was the time traveler in that version of DOFP. Yeah, just Marvel Studios did in their version of the story as mentioned above.😏 That scene was to foreshadow Mystique’s heroic path according to filmmakers. So it’s not about Logan. No, shit. Logan only had three X-Men in it so of course Laura got more screentime. Not to mention she is the most popular female character in Marvel Comics. She’s able to hold her own solo unlike any of the characters you mentioned. . I stand corrected. Fox barely managed to have one of the most popular characters in comics outgross B listers like Cap and Thor. ....That is until Marvel elevated Cap and Thor over him in popularity with their films while Fox continued doing what they do....wasting characters. B-listers? 🤣 The Avengers is based largely on the Ultimates which is one of the highest selling comics of the 21st century. First you say Jean was a good character before the Phoenix. Was unaware of Laura’s popularity. Now you’re saying that the Ultimates didn’t sell like gangbusters? You need to stop pretending that you’ve read Marvel comics. |
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Post by kuatorises on Dec 1, 2017 13:55:00 GMT
You're dreaming if you think Wolverine would be involved. He's one of the most popular character's in comic book history. I don't know about everyone else, but frankly I'm sick of the government being the bad guy. It's tired and frankly not always true. People always act like authority is in the wrong, but turn on the news – hell go on any message board or comments section in an article or on social media – and you see that the masses are just as bad if not worse. SHIELD hasn't done anything worse than Loki or even some of the heroes. I don't know why, but I don't think this would be as successful as you think it would be. I get the feeling that people are a little tired of the X-Men franchise. Wolverine is profoundly overexposed and, frankly, overrated. If he leads the new X-Men franchise, he will smother and dominate all of the other characters. If he must be in the franchise at the very beginning, I'd prefer they never do it at all. Starting with the classic team and building up to "All New, All Different" is the best way to honor the source material and create a genuine X-Men story arc that doesn't revolve around one psychotic Canadian. At the end of the day, it's up to Kevin, and I'm willing to bet that he gets this. Logan - the movie, not the character - disagrees with you. |
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Post by charzhino on Dec 1, 2017 14:00:58 GMT
Because the whole story is his adventure into the past to save everyone. Fox has the rights to the real character from the comics that went back in time but of course they changed it to Logan. Big shock to exactly no one. Of course they would make it about a Logan adventure. Fake complaint. Firstly, DofP was an adaptation of the comic story, it doesn't need to follow it letter for letter. You complaining that they changed the time travel character is the same as saying Tony Stark didnt originally create Ultron. Its meaningless because neither AoU or DofP is a exact copy of their source material. Secondly, Wolverine (playd by H Jackman) is the most market able and recognised character from this filmverse - to not give him any pivotal role would be stupid as you're suggesting to give it to Shadow Cat/kitty. You would make a terrible screen writer. And thirdly, we got to see Wolverine in a completely different role to any other film. In dofp he was the peace maker and had to win the day by talking, not slashing. He shows a much more serene and calmer approach which is vital when trying to convince Xavier to help them change the future. And now looking back after watching Logan and also X1, the bond between Logan and Xavier fits perfectly and consistently throughout the Xverse. But no, lets throw in Kitty to do this because comic die hards will love it even though it makes zero narrative sense!!111. What a silly idea. |
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