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Post by Agent of Chaos on Dec 2, 2017 23:52:58 GMT
I never said that. harpospoke was bitching about an A-lister like Laura having more screentime than B-list characters like Quicksilver. But I'm just saying that the MCU was willing to take D-Listers and turn them into A-Listers and it paid off. So what was keeping FOX from trying the by taking a lesser character and making them the time traveller in DOFP? A-lister? Does he have his own ongoing series?
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 3, 2017 0:00:21 GMT
But I'm just saying that the MCU was willing to take D-Listers and turn them into A-Listers and it paid off. So what was keeping FOX from trying the by taking a lesser character and making them the time traveller in DOFP? A-lister? Does he have his own ongoing series? Not at the moment, as he's dead in the comics and has been for a bit. It's partly why the Ant-Man movie focused on both Pym and Scott Lang and Hope, Pym was dead at the time.
But you get my point, if they could take someone like Ant-Man and make a successful movie about him why couldn't Fox take a risk and use someone other than Logan in DOFP?
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Dec 3, 2017 0:38:21 GMT
A-lister? Does he have his own ongoing series? Not at the moment, as he's dead in the comics and has been for a bit. It's partly why the Ant-Man movie focused on both Pym and Scott Lang and Hope, Pym was dead at the time.
But you get my point, if they could take someone like Ant-Man and make a successful movie about him why couldn't Fox take a risk and use someone other than Logan in DOFP?
Because it doesn’t matter who the time traveler was. Logan didn’t get any development or arc in that movie. He was mostly used for comic relief.
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 3, 2017 0:40:58 GMT
Not at the moment, as he's dead in the comics and has been for a bit. It's partly why the Ant-Man movie focused on both Pym and Scott Lang and Hope, Pym was dead at the time.
But you get my point, if they could take someone like Ant-Man and make a successful movie about him why couldn't Fox take a risk and use someone other than Logan in DOFP?
Because it doesn’t matter who the time traveler was. Then why not give it to anyone other than Logan?
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Dec 3, 2017 1:09:49 GMT
Because it doesn’t matter who the time traveler was. Then why not give it to anyone other than Logan? Because who else was alive in the 1970s and saw the events of X3?
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 3, 2017 2:50:48 GMT
Then why not give it to anyone other than Logan? Because who else was alive in the 1970s and saw the events of X3? Beast.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2017 5:48:23 GMT
Not at the moment, as he's dead in the comics and has been for a bit. It's partly why the Ant-Man movie focused on both Pym and Scott Lang and Hope, Pym was dead at the time.
But you get my point, if they could take someone like Ant-Man and make a successful movie about him why couldn't Fox take a risk and use someone other than Logan in DOFP?
Because it doesn’t matter who the time traveler was. Logan didn’t get any development or arc in that movie. He was mostly used for comic relief. So DofP was a comedy? So you admitt it would be a good thing if Disney buys Fox so someone will take these characters seriously? #teamcolden
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Post by agentblue on Dec 3, 2017 7:19:18 GMT
I would love if they just went with "Marvel's X-Men".
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Post by harpospoke on Dec 3, 2017 20:26:28 GMT
No because it's not about who was the time traveler. It's about Fox switching it to Wolverine so they could make him the focus of the story again. It could have been any number of other members of the X-men, but it just happened to be Wolverine....what a shock. I love how you ignored the fact that Wolverine isn’t the focus of the film as proven by film makers and screentime. And you ignore that the story is about Wolverine traveling to the past to save everyone. "Film makers" can say anything...it doesn't change the movie. ![](http://cdn.collider.com/wp-content/uploads/x-men-days-of-future-past-poster-cast.jpg) ![](http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/filmguide/images/a/a5/Poster-Art-for-X-Men-Days-of-Future-Past.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150118190547) ![](https://pre00.deviantart.net/6bec/th/pre/f/2014/354/c/9/x_men__days_of_future_past___2014____poster_by_camw1n-d7ahfne.png) ![](https://pre00.deviantart.net/23ac/th/pre/f/2014/050/b/5/x_men__days_of_future_past_poster__2__by_augustohag-d775e5z.jpg) I see you forgot to mention that her solo series got canceled after 21 issues. That character has always been a part of the team books. And you are equating 21st century comic sales to 20th century comic sales. The number of human beings who were fans of Storm, Rogue, Kitty, and Jean in the 80s dwarfs the tiny comic book audience post 2000. That's true, but it doesn't mean they don't matter at all....like in Fux movies. They actually get to be real characters in the comics. My point (that you missed or ignored) is that those other characters were around for 8 movies and still fell behind a character with ONE movie. That's how pathetic Fux has been in developing characters. 3 solo films for Logan pretty much settles this debate. Fux was obsessed with that one character. I didn't say a single word about X-men being a crossover team so this is just an attempt to divert from the subject. If you knew anything about the comics you would know that it's not just about Wolverine and his angst. Storm and Cyclops were two of the main characters that have fallen into guest spots with Fux. Oh so any minute now with that Gambit movie, eh? Should we hold our breath? You go ahead and do that. Which of course has nothing to do with what I was talking about. Where is Gambit in the movies? I know you are a Fux fan so you may not realize that it is possible to feature more than Logan in the X-men movies. And yeah....Berry was awesome as Storm. Suuure she was. That's the kind of opinion you can expect from a Fux fan. Now even the comics are inferior. You must be a Fux shareholder. Oh sure...you've totally proven that Fux is not the studio lagging far behind all the other studios making CBMs. We now suddenly can't remember how Fux has slaughtered great characters like Dr Doom, Storm, Deadpool, Galactus, Cyclops, Kitty, Silver Surfer and wasted great stories like Age of Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix.
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Post by harpospoke on Dec 3, 2017 20:30:11 GMT
It's ironic you say stuff like "You can't take a minor character and give them the movie!" or "These characters couldn't hold a book!" when the MCU gives us movies about guys like Ant-Man who is both (relatively) minor and couldn't hold a book...and guess what? His movie was a success! I never said that. harpospoke was bitching about an A-lister like Laura having more screentime than B-list characters like Quicksilver. A list? I don't think you know what that means. It means that the public knows about the character. X-23 is certainly not a bigger deal than Rogue, Nightcrawler, Colossus, and Ice Man.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2017 20:30:27 GMT
RR stated he had fondle Wolverine balls to get his own movie. So even Deadpool couldnt be made without a Wolverine reference. FuX- men suck wolvieballs.
#teamcolden
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Post by harpospoke on Dec 3, 2017 20:31:26 GMT
A-lister? Does he have his own ongoing series? Not at the moment, as he's dead in the comics and has been for a bit. It's partly why the Ant-Man movie focused on both Pym and Scott Lang and Hope, Pym was dead at the time.
But you get my point, if they could take someone like Ant-Man and make a successful movie about him why couldn't Fox take a risk and use someone other than Logan in DOFP?
Oh we know the reason for that. It's Logan...of course that's the character they chose.
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Post by lukelovesfilm34 on Dec 3, 2017 21:24:52 GMT
Kuato, you're blind fool if you actually can't see how much "the government" is behind the peoples' concepts and ideas. It's called propaganda. It's called brainwashing. Even these false flag events like 9/11 or Las Vegas are brainwashing tools of the government. And it's not the US government behind these lies. It's Israel and everyone behind them.
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Post by lukelovesfilm34 on Dec 3, 2017 21:29:34 GMT
Anyway, as a film fan and an X-Men fan, I can't believe what some of you MCU fans think and say. Who the hell do you think you are? You're definitely not creative artists if all you want is a carbon copy of someone else's artwork on film. That sounds PATHETIC.
X-Men: Days of Future Past stands out to me, an aspiring, practiced filmmaker as the best example of storytelling in a comic book film I've ever seen. So far, it is the artistic equivalent of Citizen Kane for comic book movies. Everything else out there, from DC to the MCU are flat and generic by comparison. Every shot in DOFP has purpose and successfully conveys messages and feelings. None of them feel like throwaway shots.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 3, 2017 21:34:35 GMT
No disrespect to the Fox fans but, It’s time. Fox has been the night watchman of this franchise for decades. We need new blood. For bonus points, pick out the inaugural team. Blue team front and center. cyclops beast iceman marvel girl angel fuck Wolverine Villians can be S.H.I.E.L.D., the Shadow King or Arcade. I agree. Fox has stopped doing anything truly interesting with the franchise awhile back. I don't know about the name, but of the list here, the only ones that seem likely are the first two and I'll vote Uncanny just because it's the primary title.
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 3, 2017 21:59:42 GMT
Anyway, as a film fan and an X-Men fan, I can't believe what some of you MCU fans think and say. Who the hell do you think you are? Paying customers, which movies need. Watch more movies, then.
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Post by harpospoke on Dec 4, 2017 1:55:55 GMT
X-Men: Days of Future Past stands out to me, an aspiring, practiced filmmaker as the best example of storytelling in a comic book film I've ever seen. So far, it is the artistic equivalent of Citizen Kane for comic book movies. Everything else out there, from DC to the MCU are flat and generic by comparison. Every shot in DOFP has purpose and successfully conveys messages and feelings. None of them feel like throwaway shots. ![](https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/37832161/not-sure-if-serious-or-sarcasm.jpg)
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Dec 4, 2017 13:34:30 GMT
And you ignore that the story is about Wolverine traveling to the past to save everyone. "Film makers" can say anything...it doesn't change the movie. So when James Cameron said that Sarah Conner was the protagonist of T1 and not the Terminator who went back in time to change the future(like Wolverine), he was wrong? Lol There is also the Wolverine and The X-Men example I gave earlier which you ignored. And using marketing? Seriously? That’s not even by the people who made the movie. The marketing team and creative team are separate entities. Are you even familiar with the term “false-advertisment”? The marketing for DOFO also focused on the sentinel future but the movie spend the vast majority of its time in the past. So you can’t use that marketing as a valid point, especially for DOFP. Uh, no. She currently has her own ongoing solo series called All-New Wolverine that at the moment has 27 issues. You’re referring to her first series. Which still did much better than Storm, Cyclops, and Quicksilver. Which all got cancelled within a year. Actually, Jean was dead in the 80s for the most part. When she was brought back for X-Factor fans(including Chris Claremont) hated it. Actually, fans hate the way Beast is written. At least nowadays. Sorry, I misread your post. But with your argument “Marvel made sucessful from b-c listers” it was easy to read it like that. But still, that is also the case in the comics. tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WolverinePublicityWolverine has been overexposed since the 90s. Like I said earlier. Even in the comics Wolverine vastly overshadows them. Starts filming in March. Denying that she won that Oscar? Seriously? Considering the original X-Men series was cancelled and when they relaunched with Giant-Sized they got rid of all the original X-Men except Cyclops...yeah. Doesn’t sound like she was really popular. After all, she was flat out stated to be the weakest of the original five X-Men and the only female...oh the implications. Jean was the creation of 60s Marvel comics which is ripe with sexism. Seriously you want this to be put on film? Lagging behind other studios? Only Marvel Studios. WB has a Box Office Bomb on their hands. And Age of Apocalypse?🤣 They never made a movie based on that. If you mean X-Men: Apocalypse that was based on the Horsemen of Apocalypse storyline from the original X-Factor. You know, the storyline that has two cartoon adaptations? Yeah, like I said. Stop pretending that you know anything about Marvel comics.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Dec 4, 2017 13:45:48 GMT
I never said that. harpospoke was bitching about an A-lister like Laura having more screentime than B-list characters like Quicksilver. A list? I don't think you know what that means. It means that the public knows about the character. X-23 is certainly not a bigger deal than Rogue, Nightcrawler, Colossus, and Ice Man. Uh, no it doesn’t. A-list means refers popularity. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-listX-23 is so popular that she appeared in Marvel vs Capcom 3. While Rogue, Nightcrawler, Colossus, and Ice Man were absent from the game. Ice Man is so lame that Marvel made him a homosexual in an attempt to make him relevant.
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Post by charzhino on Dec 4, 2017 14:11:20 GMT
Is harspoke still complaining that Wolverine was used as the time traveller in DOFP? The 4th lead in the film. Wow what nitpickery.
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