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Post by harpospoke on Dec 11, 2017 19:18:21 GMT
1-No one is butthurt. We just notice that Fox has made Wolverine and Friends movies instead of X-men movies. Still want to talk about "screen time" on that one or are you going to suddenly lose interest in that "definition"? 2-Doesn't matter what it is. You are claiming because one thing is true, that makes every other thing true. That's a logical fallacy. No....Charles is by definition the character with 2 minutes 45 seconds more screen time due to two actors needing screentime. That's not the same definition as "main character". You are claiming those two things are the same. A good portion of the Charles "screen time" is in the future when the narrative is about Logan and their struggle to help him survive. You need to go hit up Google and the rest of the world describing the movie as Logan's adventure. I see you already pointed out one of the writers is desperately trying to convince everyone it's about Charles instead. When you've got to work that hard to convince everyone, it means the movie didn't do it. I love how you dodged the Cable in Deadpool 2 point. Because it's a dumb point that means nothing. Straw Man. Now I said "Jean was wildly popular in the 80s"? Nice try at distorting what I said into something else...and then attacking the claim you invented. None of that changes the facts. There have been a ton of alternate versions of Jean Grey. Which reinforces my point that the character was popular. They continue to bring that character back over and over again for a reason. And there is no solo X-23 book so you can stop with that false claim. I'm sure you "accidentally" left out that Logan was back to help her sales. If you make that claim it also works in reverse....it also means that Marvel didn't feature her as much because Fox was ignoring her. Opps...you didn't think about that, did you? So NOW you don't want to talk about screen time but instead want to talk about an "important role". Which brings us right back to Days of Wolverine Past and the plot being centered around his adventure. You're going to have to choose a side on this "screen time" thing you brought up as "proof". No, they clone those characters because the readers like them. If that weren't true, they wouldn't bother doing it over and over again. They would just invent new characters instead. They will always find a way to get Jean back into the stories for a reason. Which of course does not change a thing. Fox is still in last place among the 4 major studios making CBMs. The "most" word of course means you are wrong. I didn't say anything about every Marvel movie, did I? Fact...all the other studios have had massive hits with CB properties except Fox. They are clearly in last place. And they have the rights to the freaking X-men. Embarrassing. I see you just ignored #2 and #3.Fox is still the least successful of the four.And the Hulk made $340,389,435 in just box office and home video sales. That's not even counting merch sales. It made a small profit. A "bomb" loses money. Fan4stick was a bomb....big difference.
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Post by charzhino on Dec 11, 2017 19:32:05 GMT
Which brings us right back to Days of Wolverine Past and the plot being centered around Xaviers revival from rock bottom.
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 11, 2017 19:55:36 GMT
Which brings us right back to Days of Wolverine Past and the plot being centered around Xaviers revival from rock bottom. You mean how he gets over 10 years of booze and drugs in one single scene and show no signs of withdrawal pains afterwards?
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Post by harpospoke on Dec 11, 2017 20:10:40 GMT
Which brings us right back to Days of Wolverine Past and the plot being centered around Xaviers revival from rock bottom. Yeah that was a secondary plot to Wolverine's big adventure. Definitely in the movie though.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Dec 11, 2017 20:21:40 GMT
Because it's a dumb point that means nothing. Or because it hurts your argument. I mean Cable is appearing in Deadpool 2 to save the future...like Wolverine in DOFP. How is that any different? Uh, you did say that... Just like they brought Apocalypse back last year for the X-Men movie and even admitted that was the reason. No, that version of the character is popular because Bendis who created her made her popular. They gave her a solo after her reception in All-New X-Men. They didn’t give her a solo right away. It’s a solo. Logan is only guess starring in those issues. All-Wolverine is not in Marvel’s cancellation range. You’re forgetting about X3. And during that time Marvel put out X-Men: Phoenix - Warsong. 😬 Okay, you are really missing the point. No, it’s because they are very important characters in the series and mean a lot to the main character. Not really, there are far more DC films that have bombed than Fox superhero films. Like Green Lantern, Johan Hax, Catwoman, Steel, the list goes on. It made $263,427,551 at the Box Office. It’s considered a Box Office Bomb.
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Post by harpospoke on Dec 11, 2017 21:09:40 GMT
Because it's a dumb point that means nothing. Or because it hurts your argument. I mean Cable is appearing in Deadpool 2 to save the future...like Wolverine in DOFP. How is that any different? I like how you are making claims about a movie that no one has seen as if it proves something. Sounds like Cable will be more important than Storm was in Fox movies though. Naturally you argued the exact opposite with her though. Exactly. THAT'S what I said. Nothing there about "Jean was wildly popular in the 80s". The X-men were wildly popular and of course that means that Jean and the other characters Fox has ignored had a lot of fans by extension. And it's just a fact that comic sales have fallen off the map post 90s so today's sales are dwarfed by 80s sales. The number of people who buy comics is vastly less than the number of people who bought X-men comics in the 70s and 80s. So the idea that X-23 has a higher number of fans based on today's sales figures is fatally flawed. Which again shows that comic book appearances mean nothing. Thank you for refuting your own claim. There is always a REASON why characters are popular. Bendis made her popular. Fox didn't bother. They could have done the same with her, Storm, Rogue, and Kitty but they didn't. You have to make them characters in order to make them popular. See Marvel with Ant-Man, Thor, Cap, Iron Man, Dr Strange, and GotG. I already realize Fox only tried to make Wolverine popular so we agree. Oh now Logan is painted as a side character, eh? Too bad he shows up on the cover. She hasn't had a solo book since 2011 so nice try. It lasted all of 21 issues. Well? Make up your mind. Are you claiming Marvel only does things in reaction to movies or not? OH let me guess...you'll switch back and forth depending on what point you try to make just like with "screen time". Sounds like you are confirming that the only reason Marvel didn't do a Jean Grey book was because Fox was ignoring her. Oh I know the point. "Screen time" is only useful to you when it supports your claim...otherwise you abandon it. I agree. Now if only Fox knew that. But they are Fox so...yeah...I guess not. And Fox is still in last place. They fail with a property like FF. Which doesn't change that Fox is still the one that has managed the least success. Marvel has had megahits with Avengers, Iron Man, etc, WB has had megahits with Batman and Superman, Sony has had a megahit with Spider-Man. Only Fox has failed to have a megahit....and they have the rights the X-men. Not at all. You can keep saying it but it's not going to be true. All theatrical movies count all revenue toward their profitability. Fan5stick is a bomb.[/quote]
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Dec 18, 2017 20:54:36 GMT
I like how you are making claims about a movie that no one has seen as if it proves something. Sounds like Cable will be more important than Storm was in Fox movies though. Naturally you argued the exact opposite with her though. We know what the basic plot is going to be and it’s somewhat similar to DOFP. And Cable was able to hold a solo. And yet you keep failing to show me the X-Factor figures. It really doesn’t refute my point. And now they’ve just killed her. Yeah, they always show guess stars on the cover in comics. You would know that if you’ve a lot of them.🙄 Never said that they only react to movies. They just try to cash in on them a lot. And when did movies ever ignore Jean? No, my point was that Storm and Nightcrawler had some important roles in X2. Don’t see what that has to do with what I said about screentime. FF and Daredevil are really their only failed CBM properties. WB has only found a handful of successes with DC properties. As for megahit, Fox not only has Deadpool but Logan who probably made a bigger profit than any other CBM this years. And how much of a profit did IH make?
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Aug 21, 2018 17:25:53 GMT
harpospoke Just came to say that I was totally right about Cable. So was he the main character of Deadpool 2? Or how about Ant-Man in the upcoming Avengers 4? Both are the time travelers of the movie.
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Post by harpospoke on Aug 21, 2018 17:38:53 GMT
harpospoke Just came to say that I was totally right about Cable. So was he the main character of Deadpool 2? Or how about Ant-Man in the upcoming Avengers 4? Both are the time travelers of the movie. No one was arguing that Cable wasn't in DP2. Not sure what you are claiming here. And Deadpool movies are a different beast than Fux X-films anyway. That's apples and oranges. DP movies are good because Fux didn't care about the first one and it turned out good. And him being a time traveler isn't the reason Logan was the main character in DOFP so you are trying to spin that. Logan was the main character because he was the main character. Him being a time traveler was just part of his plot.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Aug 21, 2018 17:46:01 GMT
As an aside, can't wait to see what Marvel does with Longshot. He was always one of my favorite characters and his storytelling potential is limitless. Obviously the luck factor is easy to turn into comedy, so they're set there. But his original mini series actually got dark at times. You can play the character straight, or as a goofball, or as an arrogant prick who knows things are always going to fall his way. Any iteration could be entertaining as hell. Fox would've found a way to ruin the character, but Marvel will figure it out if they decide to use him.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Aug 21, 2018 17:55:29 GMT
harpospoke Just came to say that I was totally right about Cable. So was he the main character of Deadpool 2? Or how about Ant-Man in the upcoming Avengers 4? Both are the time travelers of the movie. No one was arguing that Cable wasn't in DP2. Not sure what you are claiming here. And Deadpool movies are a different beast than Fux X-films anyway. That's apples and oranges. DP movies are good because Fux didn't care about the first one and it turned out good. And him being a time traveler isn't the reason Logan was the main character in DOFP so you are trying to spin that. Logan was the main character because he was the main character. Him being a time traveler was just part of his plot. If Fox didn’t care about the first film why did they choose to do it over a X-Force film? collider.com/jeff-wadlow-x-force-movie-plans/Now you’re claiming that Wolverine has a character arc in the film. What was it then?
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Aug 21, 2018 18:18:36 GMT
LMAO you mean where he has little screentime that is least than Xavier(whom the film makers label as the lead)? 😆 Why in gods name do you think he’s the lead? Because the whole story is his adventure into the past to save everyone.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2018 19:47:55 GMT
Regretfully, I'm not sure I'm interested in an MCU X-Men. It was too late a decade ago. I know the MCU's only about that old but X-Men's been done. Not to my personal satisfaction (with maybe the exception of First Class) but it's been done.
I wasn't a big fan of how they handled Spiderman. Best results from a direction I personally didn't like. It'll probably be the same with them, and I've no desire to see the X-Men as a budding young team of green, inexperienced kids. At least the original (too safe) X-Men had the decency to have most of its team already fully formed and grown up.
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