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Post by thisguy4000 on Dec 13, 2017 21:02:40 GMT
Where did she get the lightening from? There was nothing in the film to suggest that lightning was the only thing that could’ve defeated him. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 13, 2017 21:04:05 GMT
Where did she get the lightening from? There was nothing in the film to suggest that lightning was the only thing that could’ve defeated him. So why did they use it instead of her own abilities? |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Dec 13, 2017 21:07:51 GMT
There was nothing in the film to suggest that lightning was the only thing that could’ve defeated him. So why did they use it instead of her own abilities? Because ending the climax with a burst of lightning is more flashy and appropriate for a PG-13 film than ending it with her beating the bad guy to death? If that’s not good enough of an explanation for you, you could argue that the purpose of the scene was to show that she was starting to master her powers. Contrary to what you’re implying, she didn’t accidentally deflect his lightning back at him. She absorbed it, and then fired it back. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 13, 2017 21:11:06 GMT
So why did they use it instead of her own abilities? Because ending the climax with a burst of lightning is more flashy and appropriate for a PG-13 film than ending it with her beating the bad guy to death? If that’s not good enough of an explanation for you, you could argue that the purpose of the scene was to show that she was starting to master her powers. Contrary to what you’re implying, she didn’t accidentally deflect his lightning back at him. She absorbed it, and then fired it back. And there we have it. It was more flashy. Didn't have anything to do with the narrative.
Oh it's a good enough explanation alright. It highlights exactly what's wrong with it.
I never said she didn't do it on purpose. I said it wasn't her power, and no narrative function. You just admitted what was wrong with it. Finally.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Dec 13, 2017 22:06:06 GMT
Because ending the climax with a burst of lightning is more flashy and appropriate for a PG-13 film than ending it with her beating the bad guy to death? If that’s not good enough of an explanation for you, you could argue that the purpose of the scene was to show that she was starting to master her powers. Contrary to what you’re implying, she didn’t accidentally deflect his lightning back at him. She absorbed it, and then fired it back. And there we have it. It was more flashy. Didn't have anything to do with the narrative.
Oh it's a good enough explanation alright. It highlights exactly what's wrong with it.
I never said she didn't do it on purpose. I said it wasn't her power, and no narrative function. You just admitted what was wrong with it. Finally.
I didn’t “admit” anything. There was nothing wrong with it. She proved she was more powerful than Ares by that point. End of story. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 13, 2017 22:09:33 GMT
And there we have it. It was more flashy. Didn't have anything to do with the narrative.
Oh it's a good enough explanation alright. It highlights exactly what's wrong with it.
I never said she didn't do it on purpose. I said it wasn't her power, and no narrative function. You just admitted what was wrong with it. Finally.
I didn’t “admit” anything. There was nothing wrong with it. She proved she was more powerful than Ares by that point. End of story. And if he hadn't given her the lightening how would she have proved that? And if she could, then why the lightening? Just for show as you said?
You've already admitted the lightening is hollow. It serves no function.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Dec 13, 2017 22:14:31 GMT
I didn’t “admit” anything. There was nothing wrong with it. She proved she was more powerful than Ares by that point. End of story. And if he hadn't given her the lightening how would she have proved that? And if she could, then why the lightening? Just for show as you said?
You've already admitted the lightening is hollow. It serves no function.
Again, I didn’t “admit” anything. You’re the one who’s needlessly nitpicking the manner in which she defeats the villain. Her manipulating the lightning (I’m really getting tired of typing that word) was a pretty clear indication that she had become stronger than Ares. If you’re really so curious as to why they went with the climax that they did, go ask Patty Jenkins. Personally, I don’t see why anyone would think an ending of her beating Ares to death while talking about love would be a very good ending. Seriously, what are you even complaining about anymore? |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 13, 2017 22:33:22 GMT
And if he hadn't given her the lightening how would she have proved that? And if she could, then why the lightening? Just for show as you said?
You've already admitted the lightening is hollow. It serves no function.
Again, I didn’t “admit” anything. You’re the one who’s needlessly nitpicking the manner in which she defeats the villain. Her manipulating the lightning (I’m really getting tired of typing that word) was a pretty clear indication that she had become stronger than Ares. If you’re really so curious as to why they went with the climax that they did, go ask Patty Jenkins. Personally, I don’t see why anyone would think an ending of her beating Ares to death while talking about love would be a very good ending. Seriously, what are you even complaining about anymore? It's not a nitpick, it's a fundamental problem. Diana doesn't find him and gave up. And they don't establish that could have beaten him without him giving her the power to. They just don't.
And I never said her beating him to death was the best ending. I just asked you what would happen if he hadn't have used the lightening and that's the best you came up with.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Dec 13, 2017 23:09:18 GMT
Again, I didn’t “admit” anything. You’re the one who’s needlessly nitpicking the manner in which she defeats the villain. Her manipulating the lightning (I’m really getting tired of typing that word) was a pretty clear indication that she had become stronger than Ares. If you’re really so curious as to why they went with the climax that they did, go ask Patty Jenkins. Personally, I don’t see why anyone would think an ending of her beating Ares to death while talking about love would be a very good ending. Seriously, what are you even complaining about anymore? It's not a nitpick, it's a fundamental problem. Diana doesn't find him and gave up. And they don't establish that could have beaten him without him giving her the power to. They just don't.
And I never said her beating him to death was the best ending. I just asked you what would happen if he hadn't have used the lightening and that's the best you came up with.
No, it’s really not a fundamental problem. This whole argument started because you claimed that she wasn’t the hero of the movie, even though she clearly was. She was established as being able to defeat Ares because she was the Godkiller. That was plainly stated in the film. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 13, 2017 23:17:20 GMT
It's not a nitpick, it's a fundamental problem. Diana doesn't find him and gave up. And they don't establish that could have beaten him without him giving her the power to. They just don't.
And I never said her beating him to death was the best ending. I just asked you what would happen if he hadn't have used the lightening and that's the best you came up with.
No, it’s really not a fundamental problem. This whole argument started because you claimed that she wasn’t the hero of the movie, even though she clearly was. She was established as being able to defeat Ares because she was the Godkiller. That was plainly stated in the film. No the argument started because I claimed she was portrayed as failing to find him and requiring his power to beat him.
It was plainly stated she was the Godkiller, correct, but it wasn't established she could beat him without him giving her the power to win.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Dec 13, 2017 23:26:07 GMT
No, it’s really not a fundamental problem. This whole argument started because you claimed that she wasn’t the hero of the movie, even though she clearly was. She was established as being able to defeat Ares because she was the Godkiller. That was plainly stated in the film. No the argument started because I claimed she was portrayed as failing to find him and requiring his power to beat him.
It was plainly stated she was the Godkiller, correct, but it wasn't established she could beat him without him giving her the power to win.
“The real problem was the she wasn't the hero” Bottomline, she was clearly the hero and she did defeat Ares. Ares didn’t give her any power. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 13, 2017 23:28:38 GMT
No the argument started because I claimed she was portrayed as failing to find him and requiring his power to beat him.
It was plainly stated she was the Godkiller, correct, but it wasn't established she could beat him without him giving her the power to win.
“The real problem was the she wasn't the hero” Bottomline, she was clearly the hero and she did defeat Ares. Ares didn’t give her any power. No, the bottom line is that they didn't establish she could win without him screwing up, or that she could find him.
And that's what that sentence you copied means.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Dec 13, 2017 23:36:15 GMT
“The real problem was the she wasn't the hero” Bottomline, she was clearly the hero and she did defeat Ares. Ares didn’t give her any power. No, the bottom line is that they didn't establish she could win without him screwing up, or that she could find him.
And that's what that sentence you copied means.
She didn’t win because of a screw-up. You keep saying this but it isn’t true. She beat Ares and she was the only one who could’ve beaten him. That’s it. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 13, 2017 23:51:05 GMT
No, the bottom line is that they didn't establish she could win without him screwing up, or that she could find him.
And that's what that sentence you copied means.
She didn’t win because of a screw-up. You keep saying this but it isn’t true. She beat Ares and she was the only one who could’ve beaten him. That’s it. She beat him because he gave her the ability to. He screwed up. They didn't establish she could have won without him doing that. She wouldn't have even found him. She'd given up. |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Dec 14, 2017 0:31:26 GMT
She didn’t win because of a screw-up. You keep saying this but it isn’t true. She beat Ares and she was the only one who could’ve beaten him. That’s it. She beat him because he gave her the ability to. He screwed up. They didn't establish she could have won without him doing that. She wouldn't have even found him. She'd given up. This really is going around in circles. I’m not even sure what point you’re trying to make anymore. First we had formersamhmd arguing that she was too perfect, and now you’re arguing that she wasn’t the hero of the film? I don’t even know why you would assume that Diana wouldn’t have been able to defeat Ares when that’s clearly what she did. He didn’t give her the power to do so, she had that power within herself all along. This is a weird argument. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 14, 2017 0:40:28 GMT
She beat him because he gave her the ability to. He screwed up. They didn't establish she could have won without him doing that. She wouldn't have even found him. She'd given up. This really is going around in circles. I’m not even sure what point you’re trying to make anymore. First we had formersamhmd arguing that she was too perfect, and now you’re arguing that she wasn’t the hero of the film? I don’t even know why you would assume that Diana wouldn’t have been able to defeat Ares when that’s clearly what she did. He didn’t give her the power to do so, she had that power within herself all along. This is a weird argument. Ok I'm going to make this simple,
She wanders around thinking she'll run into him and fails and gives up
He then confronts her and is kicking her ass.
She gets upset her boyfriend died, and you're telling me that is supposed to suggest she can suddenly beat a guy who was completely destroying her moments before? Why?
And even though she's now suddenly strong enough to beat him just because she's upset, they have him give her lightening to do it so it looks cooler? What? It just makes it seem like she couldn't have beaten him. After all he was destroying her with no problem and all that happened was she got upset her boyfriend died.
Why am I supposed to believe she didn't need the lightening to beat him?
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Post by thisguy4000 on Dec 14, 2017 0:50:05 GMT
This really is going around in circles. I’m not even sure what point you’re trying to make anymore. First we had formersamhmd arguing that she was too perfect, and now you’re arguing that she wasn’t the hero of the film? I don’t even know why you would assume that Diana wouldn’t have been able to defeat Ares when that’s clearly what she did. He didn’t give her the power to do so, she had that power within herself all along. This is a weird argument. Ok I'm going to make this simple,
She wanders around thinking she'll run into him and fails and gives up
He then confronts her and is kicking her ass.
She gets upset her boyfriend died, and you're telling me that is supposed to suggest she can suddenly beat a guy who was completely destroying her moments before? Why?
And even though she's now suddenly strong enough to beat him just because she's upset, they have him give her lightening to do it so it looks cooler? What? It just makes it seem like she couldn't have beaten him. After all he was destroying her with no problem and all that happened was she got upset her boyfriend died.
Why am I supposed to believe she didn't need the lightening to beat him?
You’re supposed to believe that she unlocked her godly power after Steve’s death, and that she used it to defeat Ares. Again, that’s why she was shown knocking Ares back without even touching him. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 14, 2017 1:14:06 GMT
Ok I'm going to make this simple,
She wanders around thinking she'll run into him and fails and gives up
He then confronts her and is kicking her ass.
She gets upset her boyfriend died, and you're telling me that is supposed to suggest she can suddenly beat a guy who was completely destroying her moments before? Why?
And even though she's now suddenly strong enough to beat him just because she's upset, they have him give her lightening to do it so it looks cooler? What? It just makes it seem like she couldn't have beaten him. After all he was destroying her with no problem and all that happened was she got upset her boyfriend died.
Why am I supposed to believe she didn't need the lightening to beat him?
You’re supposed to believe that she unlocked her godly power after Steve’s death, and that she used it to defeat Ares. Again, that’s why she was shown knocking Ares back without even touching him. So again, if she unlocked this power why did she need the lightening? If she didn't need it, you're telling me it's mindless spectacle.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Dec 14, 2017 1:20:52 GMT
You’re supposed to believe that she unlocked her godly power after Steve’s death, and that she used it to defeat Ares. Again, that’s why she was shown knocking Ares back without even touching him. So again, if she unlocked this power why did she need the lightening? If she didn't need it, you're telling me it's mindless spectacle.
I suppose you could make the argument that it shows off just how impressive her abilities truly are if she’s able to redirect lightning like that. It’s no more mindless spectacle than anything else you see in a superhero movie. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 14, 2017 1:24:33 GMT
So again, if she unlocked this power why did she need the lightening? If she didn't need it, you're telling me it's mindless spectacle.
I suppose you could make the argument that it shows off just how impressive her abilities truly are if she’s able to redirect lightning like that. It’s no more mindless spectacle than anything else you see in a superhero movie. It took away from the concept that she could beat him with her own power. I'm not even sure she could.
That makes it far more of a mindless spectacle since it undermines the point.
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