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Post by mcufan on Dec 19, 2017 17:34:48 GMT
No? then how do you ear the spaceships in space? You're joking, right? Will somebody please tell me this person is joking right now? I don't believe I have clairvoyance, time-traveling capabilities, telepathy or omnipresence either, but somehow I know what all these characters in all these movies are doing, what they're thinking, what their motivations are and I can see their pasts/presents/futures too. How am I doing all of that? It's a simple question, How do you ear the spaceships in all the star wars saga?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2017 17:35:14 GMT
How would she return to consciousness with no oxygen supply (which reinforces and strengthens the condition of unconsciousness? And even if you ignore that, the length of time she was already out there at that temperature would've made her as stiff as a pop-sickle? actually the popsicle thing is false but moving on. Answer me this; how do you ear the spaceships in space? Yeah, Waxer. And how do you know what that character up on that screen is thinking? Waitaminute...are you a Sith...Lord?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2017 17:36:32 GMT
You're joking, right? Will somebody please tell me this person is joking right now? I don't believe I have clairvoyance, time-traveling capabilities, telepathy or omnipresence either, but somehow I know what all these characters in all these movies are doing, what they're thinking, what their motivations are and I can see their pasts/presents/futures too. How am I doing all of that? It's a simple question, How do you ear the spaceships in all the star wars saga? Dolby Digital Surround Sound Speakers.
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Post by mcufan on Dec 19, 2017 17:36:38 GMT
actually the popsicle thing is false but moving on. Answer me this; how do you ear the spaceships in space? Yeah, Waxer. And how do you know what that character up on that screen is thinking? Waitaminute...are you a Sith...Lord? Exactly!
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Post by mcufan on Dec 19, 2017 17:37:19 GMT
It's a simple question, How do you ear the spaceships in all the star wars saga? Dolby Digital Surround Sound Speakers. Don't pretend to bem as dumb as you seem, you know what i meant.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2017 17:38:34 GMT
I think the simpler explanation is that she came to and used the Force and went unconscious again, vs that complicated mess. Maybe a rehash of Luke vs. the Wampa if anything. How would she return to consciousness with no oxygen supply (which reinforces and strengthens the condition of unconsciousness? And even if you ignore that, the length of time she was already out there at that temperature would've made her as stiff as a pop-sickle? So are you arguing science here, because I'll readily accept that as a flaw, but to explain that the Force took control of her and did all that is reading something into the story. Does the Force cause sound in space, allow fire in space, or any of the other unscientific possibilities we have seen in these movies? no. It's a flawed scene, and I do believe that the Force is sentient, but I wouldn't use that bad scene to make a case for it. She just woke up, plain and simple, and if one wants to make the case that it's a flaw because she shouldn't be able to, go ahead.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2017 17:39:04 GMT
Dolby Digital Surround Sound Speakers. Don't pretend to bem as dumb as you seem, you know what i meant. I do, but I'm embarrassed that you're asking. How do I do a whole bunch of things that I can't do in real life while I watch a movie? Because I'm in the position of God as an audience member. That's....just how fiction works.
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Post by mcufan on Dec 19, 2017 17:39:37 GMT
How would she return to consciousness with no oxygen supply (which reinforces and strengthens the condition of unconsciousness? And even if you ignore that, the length of time she was already out there at that temperature would've made her as stiff as a pop-sickle? So are you arguing science here, because I'll readily accept that as a flaw, but to explain that the Force took control of her and did all that is reading something into the story. Does the Force cause sound in space, allow fire in space, or any of the other unscientific possibilities we have seen in these movies? no. It's a flawed scene, and I do believe that the Force is sentient, but I wouldn't use that bad scene to make a case for it. She just woke up, plain and simple, and if one wants to make the case that it's a flaw because she shouldn't be able to, go ahead. Thank you!
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Post by ryboto on Dec 19, 2017 17:41:12 GMT
Dolby Digital Surround Sound Speakers. Don't pretend to bem as dumb as you seem, you know what i meant. It's a consistent impossibility, at least. Just like relativity was consistently interpreted in the SW universe until TFA. Doesn't have to be correct as long as they keep it consistent. It's fiction. Still, just because it's fiction doesn't mean you can make up new rules to suit a shit story. It's jarring and will remove some viewers from suspension of disbelief.
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Post by mcufan on Dec 19, 2017 17:41:15 GMT
Don't pretend to bem as dumb as you seem, you know what i meant. I do, but I'm embarrassed that you're asking. How do I do a whole bunch of things that I can't do in real life while I watch a movie? Because I'm in the position of God as an audience member. That's....just how fiction works. YES! Fiction! You are getting there go on.
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Post by mcufan on Dec 19, 2017 17:41:59 GMT
Don't pretend to bem as dumb as you seem, you know what i meant. It's a consistent impossibility, at least. Just like relativity was consistently interpreted in the SW universe until TFA. Doesn't have to be correct as long as they keep it consistent. It's fiction. Still, just because it's fiction doesn't mean you can make up new rules to suit a shit story. It's jarring and will remove some viewers from suspension of disbelief. Like say a fucking Force Ghost?
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Post by mcufan on Dec 19, 2017 17:43:23 GMT
Of all the stuff that happens, leia coming around is what drives you nuts. ok
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Post by mcufan on Dec 19, 2017 17:45:27 GMT
Don't pretend to bem as dumb as you seem, you know what i meant. I do, but I'm embarrassed that you're asking. How do I do a whole bunch of things that I can't do in real life while I watch a movie? Because I'm in the position of God as an audience member. That's....just how fiction works. Justo to be clear it's defined in Legends that there are gases in outer space. Read Timothy Zhan first trilogy.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2017 17:46:04 GMT
How would she return to consciousness with no oxygen supply (which reinforces and strengthens the condition of unconsciousness? And even if you ignore that, the length of time she was already out there at that temperature would've made her as stiff as a pop-sickle? So are you arguing science here, because I'll readily accept that as a flaw, but to explain that the Force took control of her and did all that is reading something into the story. Does the Force cause sound in space, allow fire in space, or any of the other unscientific possibilities we have seen in these movies? no. It's a flawed scene, and I do believe that the Force is sentient, but I wouldn't use that bad scene to make a case for it. She just woke up, plain and simple, and if one wants to make the case that it's a flaw because she shouldn't be able to, go ahead. Sorry, dude. I was with ya this whole time. I thought you were making good arguments (even though I disagreed), but if you intend to go down Mcufan's rabbit hole about unscientific things in movies, I can't follow you. The point of pointing out the fishy science in your argument for Leia waking up is not to necessarily get into an argument about how sci fi does or does not bend the rules of science. We all know it does and we all happily accept it. The reason we're using science is because, according to you and me, there is controversy over whether Leia saved herself or the Force acted on its own. In order to back up my thoughts, I am using Occam's Razor in stating that a whole bunch of suspension of disbelief has to occur in order to believe Leia woke up herself. On the other hand, the material presented to us in TFA seems to indicate the Force Awakened within Rey (not the other way around). That the Force is acting on its own. The preponderance of evidence suggests that the Force saving Leia is more likely than Leia saving Leia. I think you guys should just come to terms with the fact that Disney is making modifications to the Force. You can still like it. There's nothing wrong with having the opinion that Disney is doing nothing wrong by tampering with it.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Dec 19, 2017 17:47:07 GMT
How would she return to consciousness with no oxygen supply (which reinforces and strengthens the condition of unconsciousness? And even if you ignore that, the length of time she was already out there at that temperature would've made her as stiff as a pop-sickle? actually the popsicle thing is false but moving on. Answer me this; how do you ear the spaceships in space? No, not moving on... here is what you're little link said: (Notice all of the places that I hi-lighted in bold. They absolutely contradict your argument that Leia could've regained consciousness and used the Force). As far as certain death in a science fiction plot line goes, being ejected into the vacuum of space is more than a pretty sure thing. A shove out of the air lock by a mutinous lieutenant or a vicious rip in a space suit, and your average movie victim is guaranteed to die quickly and quietly, though with fewer exploding body parts than screenwriters might have you believe.
In reality, however, animal experiments and human accidents have shown that people can likely survive exposure to vacuum conditions for at least a couple of minutes. Not that you would remain conscious long enough to rescue yourself, but if your predicament was accidental, there could be time for fellow crew members to rescue and repressurize you with few ill effects.
"In any system, there is always the possibility of equipment failure leading to injury or death. That's just the risk you run when you are in a hostile environment and you depend upon the equipment around you," says Dartmouth Medical School professor and former NASA astronaut Jay Buckey, author of the 2006 book Space Physiology. "But if you can get to someone quickly, that is good. Often spacewalks are done with two spacewalkers and there is continuous communication. So if someone is having a problem, hopefully the other can go get them and bring them in."
Vacuums are indeed lethal: Under extremely low pressure air trapped in the lungs expands, tearing the tender gas-exchange tissues. This is especially grave if you are holding your breath or inhaling deeply when the pressure drops. Water in the soft tissues of your body vaporizes, causing gross swelling, though the tight seal of your skin would prevent you from actually bursting apart. Your eyes, likewise, would refrain from exploding, but continued escape of gas and water vapor leads to rapid cooling of the mouth and airways.
Water and dissolved gas in the blood forms bubbles in the major veins, which travel throughout the circulatory system and block blood flow. After about one minute circulation effectively stops. The lack of oxygen to the brain renders you unconscious in less than 15 seconds, eventually killing you. "When the pressure gets very low there is just not enough oxygen. That is really the first and most important concern," Buckey says.
But death is not instantaneous. For example, one 1965 study by researchers at the Brooks Air Force Base in Texas showed that dogs exposed to near vacuum—one three-hundred-eightieth of atmospheric pressure at sea level—for up to 90 seconds always survived. During their exposure, they were unconscious and paralyzed. Gas expelled from their bowels and stomachs caused simultaneous defecation, projectile vomiting and urination. They suffered massive seizures. Their tongues were often coated in ice and the dogs swelled to resemble "an inflated goatskin bag," the authors wrote. But after slight repressurization the dogs shrank back down, began to breathe, and after 10 to 15 minutes at sea level pressure, they managed to walk, though it took a few more minutes for their apparent blindness to wear off.
However, dogs held at near vacuum for just a little bit longer—two full minutes or more—died frequently. If the heart was not still beating upon recompression, they could not be revived and the more rapid the decompression was, the graver the injuries no matter how much time had elapsed in the vacuum.
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Post by mcufan on Dec 19, 2017 17:48:36 GMT
So are you arguing science here, because I'll readily accept that as a flaw, but to explain that the Force took control of her and did all that is reading something into the story. Does the Force cause sound in space, allow fire in space, or any of the other unscientific possibilities we have seen in these movies? no. It's a flawed scene, and I do believe that the Force is sentient, but I wouldn't use that bad scene to make a case for it. She just woke up, plain and simple, and if one wants to make the case that it's a flaw because she shouldn't be able to, go ahead. Sorry, dude. I was with ya this whole time. I thought you were making good arguments (even though I disagreed), but if you intend to go down Mcufan's rabbit hole about unscientific things in movies, I can't follow you. The point of pointing out the fishy science in your argument for Leia waking up is not to necessarily get into an argument about how sci fi does or does not bend the rules of science. We all know it does and we all happily accept it. The reason we're using science is because, according to you and me, there is controversy over whether Leia saved herself or the Force acted on its own. In order to back up my thoughts, I am using Occam's Razor in stating that a whole bunch of suspension of disbelief has to occur in order to believe Leia woke up herself. On the other hand, the material presented to us in TFA seems to indicate the Force Awakened within Rey (not the other way around). That the Force is acting on its own. The preponderance of evidence suggests that the Force saving Leia is more likely than Leia saving Leia. I think you guys should just come to terms with the fact that Disney is making modifications to the Force. You can still like it. There's nothing wrong with having the opinion that Disney is doing nothing wrong by tampering with it. Disney is doing nothing wrong.
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Post by ryboto on Dec 19, 2017 17:48:59 GMT
It's a consistent impossibility, at least. Just like relativity was consistently interpreted in the SW universe until TFA. Doesn't have to be correct as long as they keep it consistent. It's fiction. Still, just because it's fiction doesn't mean you can make up new rules to suit a shit story. It's jarring and will remove some viewers from suspension of disbelief. Like say a fucking Force Ghost? Lucas and Filoni touch on that in CWAS...they're just consciousness surviving in the energy of the force. Only those that conquer their fears completely merge with the force. It makes sense to me. The more you commune with it, the more you detach from fear and emotion, a reshaping of the mind must occur, maybe some shit with the midichlorians...then something like 'ascension' from Stargate happens when you die. Makes sense, we never see sith force ghosts, we only see those that have conquered their dark side. It sounds dumb, but it's consistent in and of itself. Like I said, in the live action and animated series, everything was consistent up to TFA.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2017 17:49:17 GMT
I do, but I'm embarrassed that you're asking. How do I do a whole bunch of things that I can't do in real life while I watch a movie? Because I'm in the position of God as an audience member. That's....just how fiction works. YES! Fiction! You are getting there go on. <sigh> Nope. You didn't understand my previous post. The audience is in a completely separate world from the fiction. How I can hear space ships blasting away in space has zilch to do with whether that's a scientific possibility. The movie and I don't exist in the same reality or continuum and are not subject to the same rules.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2017 17:51:26 GMT
Of all the stuff that happens, leia coming around is what drives you nuts. ok Who the fuck said that??? This debate started out as a challenge from Homer about why I am saying the nature of the Force changed. Neo Leia is one of my least of my concerns with this shitbox of a film. If you weren't so busy talking in circles, you wouldn't have forgotten where this conversation started.
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Post by mcufan on Dec 19, 2017 17:53:16 GMT
actually the popsicle thing is false but moving on. Answer me this; how do you ear the spaceships in space? No, not moving on... here is what you're little link said: (Notice all of the places that I hi-lighted in bold. They absolutely contradict your argument that Leia could've regained consciousness and used the Force). As far as certain death in a science fiction plot line goes, being ejected into the vacuum of space is more than a pretty sure thing. A shove out of the air lock by a mutinous lieutenant or a vicious rip in a space suit, and your average movie victim is guaranteed to die quickly and quietly, though with fewer exploding body parts than screenwriters might have you believe.
In reality, however, animal experiments and human accidents have shown that people can likely survive exposure to vacuum conditions for at least a couple of minutes. Not that you would remain conscious long enough to rescue yourself, but if your predicament was accidental, there could be time for fellow crew members to rescue and repressurize you with few ill effects.
"In any system, there is always the possibility of equipment failure leading to injury or death. That's just the risk you run when you are in a hostile environment and you depend upon the equipment around you," says Dartmouth Medical School professor and former NASA astronaut Jay Buckey, author of the 2006 book Space Physiology. "But if you can get to someone quickly, that is good. Often spacewalks are done with two spacewalkers and there is continuous communication. So if someone is having a problem, hopefully the other can go get them and bring them in."
Vacuums are indeed lethal: Under extremely low pressure air trapped in the lungs expands, tearing the tender gas-exchange tissues. This is especially grave if you are holding your breath or inhaling deeply when the pressure drops. Water in the soft tissues of your body vaporizes, causing gross swelling, though the tight seal of your skin would prevent you from actually bursting apart. Your eyes, likewise, would refrain from exploding, but continued escape of gas and water vapor leads to rapid cooling of the mouth and airways.
Water and dissolved gas in the blood forms bubbles in the major veins, which travel throughout the circulatory system and block blood flow. After about one minute circulation effectively stops. The lack of oxygen to the brain renders you unconscious in less than 15 seconds, eventually killing you. "When the pressure gets very low there is just not enough oxygen. That is really the first and most important concern," Buckey says.
But death is not instantaneous. For example, one 1965 study by researchers at the Brooks Air Force Base in Texas showed that dogs exposed to near vacuum—one three-hundred-eightieth of atmospheric pressure at sea level—for up to 90 seconds always survived. During their exposure, they were unconscious and paralyzed. Gas expelled from their bowels and stomachs caused simultaneous defecation, projectile vomiting and urination. They suffered massive seizures. Their tongues were often coated in ice and the dogs swelled to resemble "an inflated goatskin bag," the authors wrote. But after slight repressurization the dogs shrank back down, began to breathe, and after 10 to 15 minutes at sea level pressure, they managed to walk, though it took a few more minutes for their apparent blindness to wear off.
However, dogs held at near vacuum for just a little bit longer—two full minutes or more—died frequently. If the heart was not still beating upon recompression, they could not be revived and the more rapid the decompression was, the graver the injuries no matter how much time had elapsed in the vacuum. Yes, she was still alive, already established by my link. She, being not the regular human being and this being Star Wars wakes up, probably using the force, so what's your point?
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