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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Dec 20, 2017 19:23:05 GMT
Go to the 3 minute mark of this video. Notice what Dave Filoni says about what George Lucas thought about the idea of a Jedi surviving in space... End of story... This again... Paraphrasing both father and son NNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO The truth hurts, doesn't it?
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Post by mcufan on Dec 20, 2017 19:31:34 GMT
This again... Paraphrasing both father and son NNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO The truth hurts, doesn't it? And then, the moron, with a smug face, reclined on his chair, crossed his hands behind his head and uttered "Gotcha!".
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Post by Larcen26 on Dec 20, 2017 19:36:57 GMT
Nope... Just ridiculous. Space has never been as deadly in the Star Wars universe, Leia has more sensitivity to the force which gives her more resilience, and she used some small amount of Force power to pull herself back onto the ship. All there is to it. Go to the 3 minute mark of this video. Notice what Dave Filoni says about what George Lucas thought about the idea of a Jedi surviving in space... End of story... And your point is?
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Dec 20, 2017 19:42:23 GMT
Isnt there air in SW space? There is sound after all.
When I saw AOTC, and Yoda did his tough guy hand gestures and brought out his light saber-people erupted with laughter.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Dec 20, 2017 19:48:17 GMT
Go to the 3 minute mark of this video. Notice what Dave Filoni says about what George Lucas thought about the idea of a Jedi surviving in space... End of story... And your point is? My point is I'm going to take the opinion of THE GUY WHO CREATED THE FORCE as to what it can and cannot do... over some random forum poster's opinion of it. Which just goes back to what I said originally: Disney's version of the Force has more in common with the Disney magic that has appeared in the last 25 years of their animated films than it does with the Force of the first 6 Star Wars movies.
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Post by Larcen26 on Dec 20, 2017 19:50:27 GMT
Nope... Just ridiculous. Space has never been as deadly in the Star Wars universe, Leia has more sensitivity to the force which gives her more resilience, and she used some small amount of Force power to pull herself back onto the ship. All there is to it. Go to the 3 minute mark of this video. Notice what Dave Filoni says about what George Lucas thought about the idea of a Jedi surviving in space... End of story... And upon looking at this again: So what you are saying is that per the Clone Wars cartoon...which is a Canonical source. A trained Jedi was able to exist in space for an extended period of time. Therefore, an untrained Force Sensitive person could potentially survive for 2 or 3 minutes. Good to know.
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Post by Larcen26 on Dec 20, 2017 19:51:05 GMT
My point is I'm going to take the opinion of THE GUY WHO CREATED THE FORCE as to what it can and cannot do... over some random forum poster's opinion of it. Which just goes back to what I said originally: Disney's version of the Force has more in common with the Disney magic that has appeared in the last 25 years of their animated films than it does with the Force of the first 6 Star Wars movies. Good for you.
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Post by mcufan on Dec 20, 2017 19:51:45 GMT
Isnt there air in SW space? There is sound after all. When I saw AOTC, and Yoda did his tough guy hand gestures and brought out his light saber-people erupted with laughter. When I saw ROTS when Vader screams Nooooo people laughed also. And in empire people laughed when they exited the hand puppet "space slug". Cringe, what you gonna do? gotta laugh
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Post by mcufan on Dec 20, 2017 19:52:40 GMT
My point is I'm going to take the opinion of THE GUY WHO CREATED THE FORCE as to what it can and cannot do... over some random forum poster's opinion of it. Which just goes back to what I said originally: Disney's version of the Force has more in common with the Disney magic that has appeared in the last 25 years of their animated films than it does with the Force of the first 6 Star Wars movies. Good for you. told you...
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Dec 20, 2017 19:58:02 GMT
Go to the 3 minute mark of this video. Notice what Dave Filoni says about what George Lucas thought about the idea of a Jedi surviving in space... End of story... And upon looking at this again: So what you are saying is that per the Clone Wars cartoon...which is a Canonical source. A trained Jedi was able to exist in space for an extended period of time. Therefore, an untrained Force Sensitive person could potentially survive for 2 or 3 minutes. Good to know. I guess I have to spell it out for you. Plo Kloon surviving in space had nothing to do with the Force. It was because he was of an alien species and not human. When George Lucas criticized Filoni for the idea of Jedi surviving in space, he got around it by saying that the Jedi is of an alien race who can survive in space, which would have nothing to do with the Force or being a Jedi. You pretended to ignore observing that point when you watched it. I've seen plenty similar attempts at goalpost moving.
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Post by Larcen26 on Dec 20, 2017 20:00:06 GMT
And upon looking at this again: So what you are saying is that per the Clone Wars cartoon...which is a Canonical source. A trained Jedi was able to exist in space for an extended period of time. Therefore, an untrained Force Sensitive person could potentially survive for 2 or 3 minutes. Good to know. I guess I have to spell it out for you. Plo Kloon surviving in space had nothing to do with the Force. It was because he was of an alien species and not human. When George Lucas criticized Filoni for the idea of Jedi surviving in space, he got around it by saying that the Jedi is of an alien race who can survive in space, which would have nothing to do with the Force or being a Jedi. You pretended to ignore observing that point when you watched it. I've seen plenty similar attempts at goalpost moving. Oh, so I assume that in the Canonical episode, he turned to the clones serving with him and said "I was able to survive in space because I am an alien and not human. It has nothing to do with the Force"?
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Dec 20, 2017 20:04:05 GMT
I guess I have to spell it out for you. Plo Kloon surviving in space had nothing to do with the Force. It was because he was of an alien species and not human. When George Lucas criticized Filoni for the idea of Jedi surviving in space, he got around it by saying that the Jedi is of an alien race who can survive in space, which would have nothing to do with the Force or being a Jedi. You pretended to ignore observing that point when you watched it. I've seen plenty similar attempts at goalpost moving. Oh, so I assume that in the Canonical episode, he turned to the clones serving with him and said "I was able to survive in space because I am an alien and not human. It has nothing to do with the Force"? Did Filoni ever argue back at Lucas and say "The Force should allow a Jedi to survive in space!" No. The only argument he used was that he was an alien.
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Post by Larcen26 on Dec 20, 2017 20:05:40 GMT
Oh, so I assume that in the Canonical episode, he turned to the clones serving with him and said "I was able to survive in space because I am an alien and not human. It has nothing to do with the Force"? Did Filoni ever argue back at Lucas and say "The Force should allow a Jedi to survive in space!" No. The only argument he used was that he was an alien. Ah...so arguments behind the scenes that never make it into production are now Canon? Wow...so I guess Snoke is really Mace Windu...
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Dec 20, 2017 20:05:48 GMT
My point is I'm going to take the opinion of THE GUY WHO CREATED THE FORCE as to what it can and cannot do... over some random forum poster's opinion of it. Which just goes back to what I said originally: Disney's version of the Force has more in common with the Disney magic that has appeared in the last 25 years of their animated films than it does with the Force of the first 6 Star Wars movies. But THE GUY WHO CREATED THE FORCE has also CHANGED THE FORCE SEVERAL TIMES HIMSELF (midichlorians anyone?).
I've said it before and I'll say it again: There is NO clear and defined set of rules of what the Force can and cannot do. In just about every movie there has been some force user who has exhibited some new ability for the first time. It has changed from film to film, even under Lucas himself. The better point to take from that video is that even Filoni argued the point with him. Lucas = not god. And now that SW is no longer his, its all open to even MORE interpretation.
As far as I'm concerned Leia used the force to survive the explosion and remained just conscious enough to continue using the force to save herself. Period. There aren't any huge leaps in logic that I have to take to buy that. Its the force, ie a sci-fi/star wars version of magic. Yep, I said it. The force has ALWAYS been nothing more than magic in a sci-fi setting, just as SW is nothing more than a fantasy in a sci-fi setting.
Now, was the Leia space scene shot in silly way? Yeah, she looked kinda doofy flying through space. They could'a executed it better. And if they had I'll bet anything we wouldn't even be talking about this.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Dec 20, 2017 20:26:44 GMT
My point is I'm going to take the opinion of THE GUY WHO CREATED THE FORCE as to what it can and cannot do... over some random forum poster's opinion of it. Which just goes back to what I said originally: Disney's version of the Force has more in common with the Disney magic that has appeared in the last 25 years of their animated films than it does with the Force of the first 6 Star Wars movies. But THE GUY WHO CREATED THE FORCE has also CHANGED THE FORCE SEVERAL TIMES HIMSELF (midichlorians anyone?).
I've said it before and I'll say it again: There is NO clear and defined set of rules of what the Force can and cannot do. In just about every movie there has been some force user who has exhibited some new ability for the first time. It has changed from film to film, even under Lucas himself. The better point to take from that video is that even Filoni argued the point with him. Lucas = not god. And now that SW is no longer his, its all open to even MORE interpretation.
As far as I'm concerned Leia used the force to survive the explosion and remained just conscious enough to continue using the force to save herself. Period. There aren't any huge leaps in logic that I have to take to buy that. Its the force, ie a sci-fi/star wars version of magic. Yep, I said it. The force has ALWAYS been nothing more than magic in a sci-fi setting, just as SW is nothing more than a fantasy in a sci-fi setting.
Now, was the Leia space scene shot in silly way? Yeah, she looked kinda doofy flying through space. They could'a executed it better. And if they had I'll bet anything we wouldn't even be talking about this.
That may be the way you interpret it. But the Force has always had limitations. That's no longer the case under Disney. It's just Disney magic. And the evidence that they've removed limitations and guidelines is preponderous. They make up the rules on the fly because there are no more rules. And that wasn't the case before.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Dec 20, 2017 20:35:23 GMT
But THE GUY WHO CREATED THE FORCE has also CHANGED THE FORCE SEVERAL TIMES HIMSELF (midichlorians anyone?).
I've said it before and I'll say it again: There is NO clear and defined set of rules of what the Force can and cannot do. In just about every movie there has been some force user who has exhibited some new ability for the first time. It has changed from film to film, even under Lucas himself. The better point to take from that video is that even Filoni argued the point with him. Lucas = not god. And now that SW is no longer his, its all open to even MORE interpretation.
As far as I'm concerned Leia used the force to survive the explosion and remained just conscious enough to continue using the force to save herself. Period. There aren't any huge leaps in logic that I have to take to buy that. Its the force, ie a sci-fi/star wars version of magic. Yep, I said it. The force has ALWAYS been nothing more than magic in a sci-fi setting, just as SW is nothing more than a fantasy in a sci-fi setting.
Now, was the Leia space scene shot in silly way? Yeah, she looked kinda doofy flying through space. They could'a executed it better. And if they had I'll bet anything we wouldn't even be talking about this.
That may be the way you interpret it. But the Force has always had limitations. That's no longer the case under Disney. It's just Disney magic. And the evidence that they've removed limitations and guidelines is preponderous. They make up the rules on the fly because there are no more rules. And that wasn't the case before. Fine. Whereas you blame Disney, I think even Lucas rules were flexible. We'll just have to disagree. Peace!
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Dec 20, 2017 20:44:50 GMT
That may be the way you interpret it. But the Force has always had limitations. That's no longer the case under Disney. It's just Disney magic. And the evidence that they've removed limitations and guidelines is preponderous. They make up the rules on the fly because there are no more rules. And that wasn't the case before. Fine. Whereas you blame Disney, I think even Lucas rules were flexible. We'll just have to disagree. Peace!
I see your point about Lucas being flexible. I just don't agree that it was anything on this level. Next movie we'll have Jedi breathing fire out of there mouth. And the same Disney SW Force fans who say I'm being ridiculous by making that statement will be defending it if it winds up onscreen. But yeah, agree to disagree. No hard feelings. Peace!
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Post by Larcen26 on Dec 20, 2017 21:05:53 GMT
Fine. Whereas you blame Disney, I think even Lucas rules were flexible. We'll just have to disagree. Peace!
I see your point about Lucas being flexible. I just don't agree that it was anything on this level. Next movie we'll have Jedi breathing fire out of there mouth. And the same Disney SW Force fans who say I'm being ridiculous by making that statement will be defending it if it winds up onscreen. But yeah, agree to disagree. No hard feelings. Peace! I just don't get why you are so opposed to the concept that maybe The Force let her exist in space a little longer than a normal human, and because of that, she was given the time to pull herself back onto the ship. It's not like she took a stroll, or flew across a mile of open space to take on Snoke's ship. She just didn't die immediately. She was starting to frost over, any more time and she would have died. Why are you so unbelievably against this as a simple concept that you are fighting so hard on numerous levels and threads?
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Post by ryboto on Dec 20, 2017 21:12:54 GMT
I see your point about Lucas being flexible. I just don't agree that it was anything on this level. Next movie we'll have Jedi breathing fire out of there mouth. And the same Disney SW Force fans who say I'm being ridiculous by making that statement will be defending it if it winds up onscreen. But yeah, agree to disagree. No hard feelings. Peace! I just don't get why you are so opposed to the concept that maybe The Force let her exist in space a little longer than a normal human, and because of that, she was given the time to pull herself back onto the ship. It's not like she took a stroll, or flew across a mile of open space to take on Snoke's ship. She just didn't die immediately. She was starting to frost over, any more time and she would have died. Why are you so unbelievably against this as a simple concept that you are fighting so hard on numerous levels and threads? The force is idle unless used...so, why would she survive longer? She survived because it's Disney Magic now. nothing more. You can prescribe any explanation to it that you'd like, it doesn't matter, it's magic. It's all magic and it's boring.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Dec 20, 2017 21:27:34 GMT
The audience laughed and cheered multiple times throughout the movie.
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