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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 13, 2018 13:19:29 GMT
There will be boosters because no one will down vote the first ever modern Black superhero led film. Its already getting a 90%+ regardless of how good it is, everyone knows it. Because he had a great intro in Civil War. He earned his goodwill, and the MCU hasn't failed once yet. No, it's not. Even the new characters introduced in team films work out well. Just because X-Men can't pull it off doesn't mean it can't be done.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Jan 13, 2018 14:09:16 GMT
You mean the ring that nobody saw until after he sensed something wrong and had to turn around to look back? And (from the cut of the trailer) nobody looked until after he looked. What trailer did you watch? Did you just skip back and forth through it randomly? Also the hair going up is what is called a visual cue. The ring is behind the bus and nobody else is looking. The giant ring in the sky that is visible from miles away and that everyone on the bus could see and was looking at, except for Peter who needed Spider-Sense to tell him that there was a giant ring in the sky that everyone on the bus but him was looking at. Really? You're either trolling or you're a fuckin' retard. You were just shown Peter looking first, and you're still denying it. Are you fuckin' slow or something?
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 13, 2018 14:14:44 GMT
The giant ring in the sky that is visible from miles away and that everyone on the bus could see and was looking at, except for Peter who needed Spider-Sense to tell him that there was a giant ring in the sky that everyone on the bus but him was looking at. Really? You're either trolling or you're a fuckin' retard. You were just shown Peter looking first, and you're still denying it. Are you fuckin' slow or something? He's an old man, dementia is probably getting to him.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jan 13, 2018 15:33:06 GMT
Black Panther doesn't have to rely on being a black character. He has Civil War and the director of Creed for that. There is also Blade. Black Panther will not have any "artificial boosters". There will be boosters because no one will down vote the first ever modern Black superhero led film. Its already getting a 90%+ regardless of how good it is, everyone knows it. MCU has the advantage of making solo films for their supporting characters so its unfair to judge them against Spidey 3 and JL. Im arguing it from a much simpler writing stance. The more characters you have on screen, the less time is dedicated to developing arcs for more interesting characters. And looking at the character's to appear in IW, its a long list. On top of that, The Russos have said a lot of focus will be on Thanos and the story is told through his perspective. So well see how they juggle it all, but I dont see how it wont end up being overcrowded with action set piece one after the other, quick cuts and rushed story telling to cram the whole saga in. We've (I'm black) already had Blade 1, 2, 3 and even Meteor Man. And to a lesser extent Spawn and Steel (our Catwoman and Elektra). You do know that most people don't rely on Rotten Tomatoes, right? Only people that want to have scaled proof that their movie is better. You can so use Spider-man 3 and JL. Spider-man 3 spent most of it's time on Peter and Mary Jane's relationship problems. It cast aside Sandman and threw in Venom. They didn't integrate them into the story properly. And you can't say it's because Raimi didn't like Venom. The entire movie was about Peter having the symbiote. Justice League had the benefit of 3 of their players already having a movie about them. But them having origin stories is not what I'm talking about. That's why you don't develop arcs for individuals. Yes, characters like Black Widow, Hulk, and Hawkeye got individual arcs, but they left them very small and contained to that group of characters. For the most part the Avengers movies are about the team of Avengers. Not individuals. Look at Black Panther in Civil War. His character (and everybody else) arc was the movie itself. Everybody went through the same emotional beat. X-men did the total opposite from Justice League. Justice League tried individuals, X-men said screw it and had everyone in the movie face toward one character to tell his* (Wolverine's) story. Everything pointed to "What does Wolverine think about this?" And having it through Thanos's perspective is good this time because this is the 3rd Avengers movie. The only new characters to the group is Strange and Wong. Spider-man and Black Panther were with the team(s) in Civil War so we've had interactions with them. We've had 2 Avengers movies from their perspective. When you watch a war movie with lots of soldiers running around, do you whine about overcrowding? Do you whine in restaurant scenes when you don't know who all the people eating at tables are and that they are getting an arc? What about in a war room where high ranking military officers are discussing something? Do you say this scene is overcrowded with people? Or is it, maybe, because you know who the characters are? Let the Avengers be the Avengers, not Captain America, Black Panther, Bucky, Iron Man, Dr. Strange, etc. etc. *Or her. Mystique in the prequels.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jan 13, 2018 15:40:24 GMT
You mean the ring that nobody saw until after he sensed something wrong and had to turn around to look back? And (from the cut of the trailer) nobody looked until after he looked. What trailer did you watch? Did you just skip back and forth through it randomly? Also the hair going up is what is called a visual cue. The ring is behind the bus and nobody else is looking. The giant ring in the sky that is visible from miles away and that everyone on the bus could see and was looking at, except for Peter who needed Spider-Sense to tell him that there was a giant ring in the sky that everyone on the bus but him was looking at. And you don't know when it appeared in the sky. It could have appeared a second before his spider-sense went off. You make it sound like the ring was there for a week and they are just now noticing it. Everybody on the bus was looking at it? I even put a gif up so you can see in motion that he is turned in his seat to look at it and the person behind him is looking down and not at it. The part when everyone is looking at it is after he is. There is even an establishing shot that shows there is no ring in the sky before the shot of Peter looking down on the bus.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jan 13, 2018 15:50:23 GMT
There will be boosters because no one will down vote the first ever modern Black superhero led film. Its already getting a 90%+ regardless of how good it is, everyone knows it. Because he had a great intro in Civil War. He earned his goodwill, and the MCU hasn't failed once yet. No, it's not. Even the new characters introduced in team films work out well. Just because X-Men can't pull it off doesn't mean it can't be done. And I forgot about Guardians of the Galaxy. All new characters, with no solo movies, and they did better "juggling" the characters. One was even a Chewbacca/R2D2-like character that needed a translator. They have no excuses. DC even tried to make a Guardians with Suicide Squad and fell back on focusing on 2 characters. They even went the X-men route of connecting the antagonist with a protagonist and giving the illusion that the protagonist is getting a story (Xavier and Magneto/Mystique, Flag and Enchantress).
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Post by DC-Fan on Jan 13, 2018 18:42:44 GMT
Rubbish. Those 3 films had great depth and subverted the genre and pushed the scope of what you can do. They parralelled real life tropes through the lens of comic characters and didnt hold back trying. All 3 films also had stakes where people died to aid the impact of the story; Rachel Dawes, Prof X/Logan and Steve Trevor. Thats one reason why MCU wont get close to the artistic reaches of other studios because they want cookie cutter safe films. Excellent post! formersamhmd just got owned!
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Post by DC-Fan on Jan 13, 2018 18:44:06 GMT
Everyone except Peter knew to look and was already looking at it Nope, he sensed it and looked first. Then everyone else followed. Nope, everyone except Peter was already looking at it since it's a giant ring in the sky that can be seen from miles away. But somehow Peter couldn't see that giant ring in the sky that everyone else on the school bus was already looking at until his Spider-Sense told him to look.
MCU really fucked up Spider-Sense. 1st, in SMH Peter gets ambushed by a bad guy after he ditches Liz at the Homecoming Dance. Now, Peter doesn't see a giant ring in the sky that everyone else is already looking at, until his Spider-Sense tells him to turn around and look up in the sky. Looks like Spider-Sense is pretty useless in MCU.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 19:02:25 GMT
Nope, he sensed it and looked first. Then everyone else followed. Nope, everyone except Peter was already looking at it since it's a giant ring in the sky that can be seen from miles away. But somehow Peter couldn't see that giant ring in the sky that everyone else on the school bus was already looking at until his Spider-Sense told him to look.
MCU really fucked up Spider-Sense. 1st, in SMH Peter gets ambushed by a bad guy after he ditches Liz at the Homecoming Dance. Now, Peter doesn't see a giant ring in the sky that everyone else is already looking at, until his Spider-Sense tells him to turn around and look up in the sky. Looks like Spider-Sense is pretty useless in MCU.
How about Batsy being a murdering coward by shooting people in the back from a distance? Just like what happened in Las Vegas. DC really inspired that guy.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jan 13, 2018 20:55:11 GMT
Nope, he sensed it and looked first. Then everyone else followed. Nope, everyone except Peter was already looking at it since it's a giant ring in the sky that can be seen from miles away. But somehow Peter couldn't see that giant ring in the sky that everyone else on the school bus was already looking at until his Spider-Sense told him to look.
MCU really fucked up Spider-Sense. 1st, in SMH Peter gets ambushed by a bad guy after he ditches Liz at the Homecoming Dance. Now, Peter doesn't see a giant ring in the sky that everyone else is already looking at, until his Spider-Sense tells him to turn around and look up in the sky. Looks like Spider-Sense is pretty useless in MCU.
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Post by RedDeadFallout on Jan 13, 2018 21:14:15 GMT
Nope, he sensed it and looked first. Then everyone else followed. Nope, everyone except Peter was already looking at it since it's a giant ring in the sky that can be seen from miles away. But somehow Peter couldn't see that giant ring in the sky that everyone else on the school bus was already looking at until his Spider-Sense told him to look.
MCU really fucked up Spider-Sense. 1st, in SMH Peter gets ambushed by a bad guy after he ditches Liz at the Homecoming Dance. Now, Peter doesn't see a giant ring in the sky that everyone else is already looking at, until his Spider-Sense tells him to turn around and look up in the sky. Looks like Spider-Sense is pretty useless in MCU.
Are you changing the subject because you're original was so horrible misjudged?
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 13, 2018 21:52:41 GMT
Nope, everyone except Peter Weren't looking until he did. If you watched the teaser you'd know this. So just like the comics whenever he's ambushed. It's better than how useless Flash is in the DCEU.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 22:05:38 GMT
BP and Infinity War are coming out and WW's goodwill has been kicked out from under her due to JL's failure. Those 3 films' places aren't going to last. BP will have artificial boosts simply for being a black led superhero. Infinity War will be overcrowded and CGI heavy with no emotional story to it and these type of films dont make it into "all time great classic" lists. You're just salty that no MCU movie can break the top 1/2/3 spots in any established list of greatest superhero films ever made. Damn, for a guy claiming not to be biased and looking forward to Infinity War you sure look like a biased fanboy hopeing all of this happens. You even praised the trailer and that the movie looks good but I guess FOX Men fanboys like you will do anything to trash the MCU. Can you look into the future? Have you already seen Infinity War or Black Panther? Exactly, so you don't have any room to talk here.
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Post by charzhino on Jan 13, 2018 23:08:37 GMT
BP will have artificial boosts simply for being a black led superhero. Infinity War will be overcrowded and CGI heavy with no emotional story to it and these type of films dont make it into "all time great classic" lists. You're just salty that no MCU movie can break the top 1/2/3 spots in any established list of greatest superhero films ever made. Damn, for a guy claiming not to be biased and looking forward to Infinity War you sure look like a biased fanboy hopeing all of this happens. You even praised the trailer and that the movie looks good but I guess FOX Men fanboys like you will do anything to trash the MCU. Can you look into the future? Have you already seen Infinity War or Black Panther? Exactly, so you don't have any room to talk here. Im not biased. Giving a prediction that IW will be filled with CGI fights and explosions with little focus on story doesnt mean im trashing the film. I even said it will be entertaining but in the context of the discussion on this thread, i said these types of movies will rarely be seen as "iconic" in the same vein as Logan or TDK. And black panther will have artificial boosts in its critical reception to some degree or another. Not sure how you think im trashing the film by saying that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 23:40:35 GMT
Damn, for a guy claiming not to be biased and looking forward to Infinity War you sure look like a biased fanboy hopeing all of this happens. You even praised the trailer and that the movie looks good but I guess FOX Men fanboys like you will do anything to trash the MCU. Can you look into the future? Have you already seen Infinity War or Black Panther? Exactly, so you don't have any room to talk here. Im not biased. Giving a prediction that IW will be filled with CGI fights and explosions with little focus on story doesnt mean im trashing the film. I even said it will be entertaining but in the context of the discussion on this thread, i said these types of movies will rarely be seen as "iconic" in the same vein as Logan or TDK. And black panther will have artificial boosts in its critical reception to some degree or another. Not sure how you think im trashing the film by saying that. Saying Infinity War will be filled with CGI and explosions is trashing because the film hasn't even been released yet but you're already saying it will be that way.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2018 6:00:03 GMT
Kevin Fiege is only making a Black Widow movie now because Ike Perlmutter is out of the way and not blocking him from making female led films anymore. DC had no excuse and nothing holding them back, yet they waited 40 years to make WW. That was Warner Bros and not DC. If you read some interviews with the show runners of ‘Smallville’ they had plans to have Wonder Woman in ‘Smallville’ and spinoff a new ‘Wonder Woman’ TV show but Warner Bros stopped them from using the characters. There have been numerous attempts by other writers including people working for DC to make more female superheroes but all of them just like Peter David’s ‘Supergirl/ Linda Danvers’ movie in the early 00s that was ultimately knocked back by one of the high ups of Warner Bros ‘cause “they didn’t want to have an edgier Supergirl on screen than Superman” were cancelled or put in developmental hell and that is only DC female characters. Witchblade, Hack/Slash, Darkchylde, Fathom, The Magdalena, Aphrodite IX, Soulfire, Shi, Lady Death, Warrior Nun Arela, Spider Woman, Rat Queens, Hellina, Danger Girl, Devi, Nancy In Hell, Wonderland, Avageleyne, Bitch Planet, Zombie Tramp, Tarot: Witch of the Black Rose etc ALL had movies in development throughout the 90s, 00s and 10s that didn’t go through ‘cause the executives wouldn’t give female comic book series a chance on the big screen despite some of them having big names attached to them such as John Carpenter who was going to direct the ‘Darkchylde’ movie and called ‘Darkchylde’ one of the best Horror stories he had read and Ariel Chylde had the potential to become the most popular female character in a Horror movie of all time. Wes Craven called 'Hack/Slash' a masterpiece and wanted to make a movie of it and was stopped at the time, Tobe Hooper wanted to make a 'Devi' movie and was stopped and 'Witchblade' had Angelina Jolie attached to it to play Sara at the height of her career and was also stopped.
The lack of female lead comic book movies has nothing to do with DC or Marvel and everything to do with the executives in Hollywood blocking every one of them from being made. Geoff Johns and Jim Lee don't have the power to greenlight movies and if they latter did we would have 'Gen 13' and 'Wild Cats' Live Action movies by now 'cause Jim has said in multiple interviews he would love a Live Action movie of 'Gen 13' and there was one that was close to being made back when 'Gen 13' was under Image Comics but was most likely stopped for having Caitlin Fairchild as the lead. Ike Perlmutter was the main reason why it took Marvel so long to use their biggest female superhero, Carol Danvers in a movie (when she was Ms Marvel) and there appears to have been a Chester or a Dale in Warner Bros who was exactly the same.
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Post by darkpast on Jan 14, 2018 6:03:33 GMT
only if they don't recast, the current actress is a bore
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 14, 2018 12:41:43 GMT
Ike Perlmutter is out of the way and not blocking him from making female led films anymore. DC had no excuse and nothing holding them back, yet they waited 40 years to make WW. The lack of female lead comic book movies has nothing to do with DC or Marvel and everything to do with the executives in Hollywood blocking every one of them from being made.
Well, there's also that when DC tried to make a female led CBM with Supergirl in 1984 it bombed so hard it set the subgenre back...and then Catwoman damn near killed it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2018 12:56:27 GMT
The lack of female lead comic book movies has nothing to do with DC or Marvel and everything to do with the executives in Hollywood blocking every one of them from being made.
Well, there's also that when DC tried to make a female led CBM with Supergirl in 1984 it bombed so hard it set the subgenre back...and then Catwoman damn near killed it. The problem with 'Catwoman' is we have never had a 'Catwoman' movie and after Michelle Pfeiffer and Tim Burton pulled out of the original movie that was going to be a spinoff of 'Batman Returns' rather than abandon trying to make a 'Catwoman' movie which they should have done since 'Batman and Robin' flopped Warner Bros took a script for another movie and made some light changes to it and slapped the 'Catwoman' title on it. The movie wasn't about Selina Kyle and had just as much in common with a 'Batman' movie about a guy named Ted that could transform into a bat or a 'Superman' movie about a guy with long blonde hair named Alan who had a flying surf board. They were stupid to think the movie was going to work and I wouldn't be surprised if they made it deliberately 'cause they knew it was going to flop and they didn't want to make more female lead comic book movies. 'Supergirl' was never taken seriously when it was being made and much like the 'Red Sonja' movie from the 80s that the director later admitted was written as a parody a lot of people who worked on the film said it was rushed together and they knew it was going to be a disaster. Every female lead comic book movie that flopped before was due to the studios themselves hiring poor writers and not taking it seriously and nothing to do with it having a female lead and the success of 'Wonder Woman' and countless other female lead movies and TV shows that are similar to the superhero genre have proven that. I mean just look what they did to 'Buffy.' The movie was awful and Joss had to take it himself and he made it into one of the most popular TV shows of all time
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Post by kleinreturns on Jan 15, 2018 3:04:24 GMT
I just hope it is Scarlett Johansson playing BW when the movie is made.
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