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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 12, 2018 18:28:38 GMT
That the Jane/Thor thing is overblown? Branagh himself said it was less romantic and more a matter of respect between two beings. nope sam, as we see you get the uneven-storytelling-handling point, but just try to deflect. It's irrelevent btw what Branagh says or not He's the Director, what he says matters. It was him learning humility, not falling in love. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 12, 2018 18:29:38 GMT
I find that most of their complaints is like that. The characters mention something, but it's not enough and we need the entire movie about that. Racism in Winter Soldier, but we need Fury to go on about that as a character arc... The complaint is MCU dont truley explore their dramatic themes, they pussy out of them No, they just don't waste 40 minutes on nothing but characters moping around when there's bigger stuff at stake. That's what being a hero is. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 12, 2018 18:32:46 GMT
You do need to hear more. No, you don't. That's spoonfeeding. Fincher doesn't like that some CBMs refuse to let the Director have absolute control to whatever they want, and the studio isn't wrong for doing this. Rourke is a Diva who wanted Iron Man 2 to be about him and not Iron Man.
What, that stupidity between Xavier and Magneto in FC? That's what you want? There's no depth to their arguments, the only thing carrying their scenes is their acting.
What happened between Steve and Tony was raw, brutal, emotional and far more human than anything we've gotten from X and M.
The FoX-Films are too cowardly to try something like that.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 12, 2018 18:34:16 GMT
The complaint is MCU dont truley explore their dramatic themes, they pussy out of them- probably because they dont want to lose the attention spans of their target audience. Because they don't. this is fact. we are not haters for saying fact. the serious themes of alcohol abuse in iron man 3 was banned. BANNED. look at the proof here .
www.comicsbeat.com/disney-rejects-tony-stark-alcoholism-storyline-from-iron-man-3/
Disney rejects Tony Stark alcoholism storyline from Iron Man 3They replaced something as generic as alcohol for PTSD. Cool. A joke. They had Xavier get over 10 years of booze and drugs in ONE SCENE. |
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Post by charzhino on Feb 12, 2018 18:34:40 GMT
The complaint is MCU dont truley explore their dramatic themes, they pussy out of them- probably because they dont want to lose the attention spans of their target audience. Because they don't. this is fact. we are not haters for saying fact. the serious themes of alcohol abuse in iron man 3 was banned. BANNED. look at the proof here .
www.comicsbeat.com/disney-rejects-tony-stark-alcoholism-storyline-from-iron-man-3/
Disney rejects Tony Stark alcoholism storyline from Iron Man 3
But this (DOFP) made it into a pg 13 xmen movie with serious high accliam not for fun and fuuny like thor 3. Xavier lays his shit down and we see the full extent of his depression and substance abuse. This is what we see in marvel comics, mcu movies is disney bs, see why mcu xmen is bound to fail? its destiny. That clip blends 2 tones perfectly. Starting out with jokes and levity but then transitioning to a serious tone when it requires and staying that way. I can only wish the Disney Xmen can keep this setup but im not going to hold my breath. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 12, 2018 18:35:10 GMT
Exactly summers8, Charles never fought Magneto once physically Because he's a fool who refuses to eliminate a threat and just lets him go time and time again. There's no real depth to their rivalry. It's just that Charles is a buffoon. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 12, 2018 18:36:54 GMT
Because they don't. this is fact. we are not haters for saying fact. the serious themes of alcohol abuse in iron man 3 was banned. BANNED. look at the proof here .
www.comicsbeat.com/disney-rejects-tony-stark-alcoholism-storyline-from-iron-man-3/
Disney rejects Tony Stark alcoholism storyline from Iron Man 3
But this (DOFP) made it into a pg 13 xmen movie with serious high accliam not for fun and fuuny like thor 3. Xavier lays his shit down and we see the full extent of his depression and substance abuse. This is what we see in marvel comics, mcu movies is disney bs, see why mcu xmen is bound to fail? its destiny. That clip blends 2 tones perfectly. Starting out with jokes and levity but then transitioning to a serious tone when it requires and staying that way. Not really, it just shows how pathetic Xavier and Beast both were and how they refused to do stuff without someone forcing them into it. The MCU heroes are capable of trudging on despite their personal hang-ups, like real heroes. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Feb 12, 2018 18:45:33 GMT
Wait, what were the racial/racist aspects of Winter Soldier? I just saw it for the first time and didn't get any subtext like that at all. When fury is driving and sees the "cops" looking at him suspiciously before they ambush him on the road. Oh, right. "Do you want to see my lease?" Thanks. I caught it but didn't think of it in terms of being some underlying theme of the film they needed to explore further. It was fine as it was, and it would've made no difference, at least in terms of my personal enjoyment of the film, if the line were cut. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Feb 12, 2018 20:38:29 GMT
I find that most of their complaints is like that. The characters mention something, but it's not enough and we need the entire movie about that. Racism in Winter Soldier, but we need Fury to go on about that as a character arc... You do need to hear more. its where you get the depth, realism and yes maturity. mcu movies keep it derivative due to the formulaic nature. its one reason david finch once said correctly MCU movies have poor story telling. I think this was mickey rourke problem with iron man 2 too. mcu movies will be taken more seriously if they do evaluate the problem deeply than substitute meaningless cgi action moment to make up for it. one sharp difference between avengers 2012 and tdkr or The Winter Solider 2014 and DOFP in 2014. All the times, tony and steve were punching eachother as the plot got thinner and weaker. they could have had an intelletcual conversation like this. this is how you do depth in a movie. its simple really. Stop settling and defending mediocrity story telling with the mcu movies. the genre is suffering already for it. Depth? That's them holding your hand. "Waaah! People hate me. We should kill them." "Waah! No you shouldn't kill them!" For 10 minutes. This is why I get bored with Tarantino movies in their downtime. I realized that he likes to have his talking scenes with the characters sitting around a table (replaced with a campfire in a scene of Django Unchained). This is the same as the scene in DoFP in the airplane. And many other scenes in the X-men movies. And thin plots? This is the plot to every main X-men movie. The well is starting to run dry. How many ways can they go about saying the same things in the X-men movies? Will Xavier and Magneto play chess again? Will there be another chess board in the background when they can't find a moment for them to play? ONE PIECE OF SYMBOLISM!!! Give me a break... |
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Post by ThatGuy on Feb 12, 2018 20:43:44 GMT
I find that most of their complaints is like that. The characters mention something, but it's not enough and we need the entire movie about that. Racism in Winter Soldier, but we need Fury to go on about that as a character arc... Wait, what were the racial/racist aspects of Winter Soldier? I just saw it for the first time and didn't get any subtext like that at all. There was the scene where the official looking guys roll up on Fury and he comments about the truck being his. It got the point across and we didn't need an entire movie about it. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Feb 12, 2018 20:50:00 GMT
I find that most of their complaints is like that. The characters mention something, but it's not enough and we need the entire movie about that. Racism in Winter Soldier, but we need Fury to go on about that as a character arc... The complaint is MCU dont truley explore their dramatic themes, they pussy out of them- probably because they dont want to lose the attention spans of their target audience. Or they don't spend the whole movie on a subject that isn't important to the movie. They bring it up, they tell you how they feel about it and move on. We've had the same themes in the X-men movies for 6 movies.  We get it. People don't like you. Let's move on. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Feb 12, 2018 21:02:56 GMT
How did it motivate their character arcs? Thor got in touch with the little people by becoming one of them and learning from them. Jane's whole story was science and lusting after the handsome alien. his arc is turning from a self obesessed reckless jerk into a responible leader through his humbling encounter with the "little people" and his love for a mortal. This foremost causes his change. He literally is reborn a new man through his ultimate sacrifice of his life for those he loves (redemption through love trope). Jane arc is flat but she changes too because of her encounter with Thor. Anyway, the whole romance thing is crucal for the movie and literally at the heart of it. No, no, no. His "love" for a mortal had nothing to do with it. Yes, he liked her (he did not fall in love with this woman in those few days), but that wasn't what turned him around. His interactions with the people in that group opened his eyes more. That's why he made the sacrifice and approached the Destroyer. He did it for the people.  It wasn't just her. She was just a love interest. Love interest doesn't mean they are in love. The movie could have just had Selvig and the outcome would have been the same. He just needed to see how wrong he was. Thor has more love for Mjolnir than he ever had for Jane. |
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Post by summers8 on Feb 13, 2018 6:38:28 GMT
You do need to hear more. its where you get the depth, realism and yes maturity. mcu movies keep it derivative due to the formulaic nature. its one reason david finch once said correctly MCU movies have poor story telling. I think this was mickey rourke problem with iron man 2 too. mcu movies will be taken more seriously if they do evaluate the problem deeply than substitute meaningless cgi action moment to make up for it. one sharp difference between avengers 2012 and tdkr or The Winter Solider 2014 and DOFP in 2014. All the times, tony and steve were punching eachother as the plot got thinner and weaker. they could have had an intelletcual conversation like this. this is how you do depth in a movie. its simple really. Stop settling and defending mediocrity story telling with the mcu movies. the genre is suffering already for it. Depth? That's them holding your hand. "Waaah! People hate me. We should kill them." "Waah! No you shouldn't kill them!" For 10 minutes. This is why I get bored with Tarantino movies in their downtime. I realized that he likes to have his talking scenes with the characters sitting around a table (replaced with a campfire in a scene of Django Unchained). This is the same as the scene in DoFP in the airplane. And many other scenes in the X-men movies. And thin plots? This is the plot to every main X-men movie. The well is starting to run dry. How many ways can they go about saying the same things in the X-men movies? Will Xavier and Magneto play chess again? Will there be another chess board in the background when they can't find a moment for them to play? ONE PIECE OF SYMBOLISM!!! Give me a break... Um, mcu fans struggle to accept depth since their movies have none. ''Oh and wahhh. People should not hate me''. That is you. That is not the film. They never held hand either. So you result to lieing again. lol. Remembering when you said xmen was your favorite series? Lol. Lieing and trying to trash your favorite series to defend mediocre mcu garbage, how does that work? it must be bad to like mcu this much and have it get exposed like this and you defending it to the end. You got bored of Tarentino movies? Oh cool since he makes superior movies to mcu movies. Did you get bored watching silence of the lambs? or fight club? The thin plot are mcu movies as confirmed by mcu. Reason they need and are very infamous for blowing cities ups. That is why their plots are thin. In civil war tony and steve barely talk deeply, they spent 80% of the time physically fighting because there is no drama to tell. In first class, Charles and Eric views are explored in words and personal experiences up on till the end, that is depth. ask any film maker. See more examples here by fact this is depth, magneto trying to find a balance between rage and serenity. What movie did Black panther try to copy again to get depth? It was xmen right? Not an mcu movie. Black Panther took lesson from xmen movies. too bad, what is saving the movie is sjw reviews. xmen at least was authentic. lol, your love for mcu is almost tragic. to like something that mediocre that you still lie about it not been your favorite series. LOL, MCU fans. please you are different from us xmen fans. we xmen or batman fans hate mcu movies and their basic plots. the comics are not like that. |
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Post by summers8 on Feb 13, 2018 6:40:06 GMT
his arc is turning from a self obesessed reckless jerk into a responible leader through his humbling encounter with the "little people" and his love for a mortal. This foremost causes his change. He literally is reborn a new man through his ultimate sacrifice of his life for those he loves (redemption through love trope). Jane arc is flat but she changes too because of her encounter with Thor. Anyway, the whole romance thing is crucal for the movie and literally at the heart of it. No, no, no. His "love" for a mortal had nothing to do with it. Yes, he liked her (he did not fall in love with this woman in those few days), but that wasn't what turned him around. His interactions with the people in that group opened his eyes more. That's why he made the sacrifice and approached the Destroyer. He did it for the people. It wasn't just her. She was just a love interest. Love interest doesn't mean they are in love. The movie could have just had Selvig and the outcome would have been the same. He just needed to see how wrong he was. Thor has more love for Mjolnir than he ever had for Jane. This gif was from tdkr? hey, we might want to drop this. the director for this movie said the movie should not be compared to the mcu movies because mcu movies are not real. |
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Feb 13, 2018 6:48:39 GMT
Hey summers8 is English your native language?
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Post by summers8 on Feb 13, 2018 6:49:34 GMT
Oh and speaking of The great Tarantino. here is a Tarantino like scene in xmen first class. many people (read comments below)thought this scene was from Inglorious bastards. what makes it look like a Tarantino movie?
the dialogue
the acting
the cinematography
the score
the in joke sarcasm
the out-world realism
we cannot get past civil war's cartoonish look and basic story telling. As an X-Men fan and long time comic reader. it makes me proud to see the comparison between first class and inglorious bastards We do not need Logan or TDK for that.
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Post by summers8 on Feb 13, 2018 6:57:47 GMT
see reason. we are not haters. mcu movies are bad for films. |
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Feb 13, 2018 6:59:42 GMT
Not sure what that has to do with my question, but ok.
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Post by summers8 on Feb 13, 2018 7:01:21 GMT
Because they don't. this is fact. we are not haters for saying fact. the serious themes of alcohol abuse in iron man 3 was banned. BANNED. look at the proof here .
www.comicsbeat.com/disney-rejects-tony-stark-alcoholism-storyline-from-iron-man-3/
Disney rejects Tony Stark alcoholism storyline from Iron Man 3
But this (DOFP) made it into a pg 13 xmen movie with serious high accliam not for fun and fuuny like thor 3. Xavier lays his shit down and we see the full extent of his depression and substance abuse. This is what we see in marvel comics, mcu movies is disney bs, see why mcu xmen is bound to fail? its destiny. That clip blends 2 tones perfectly. Starting out with jokes and levity but then transitioning to a serious tone when it requires and staying that way. I can only wish the Disney Xmen can keep this setup but im not going to hold my breath. true, look at another similar scene here from TDKR Both xavier and bruce are depressed but the other characters do give a good balance with some jokes but still get serious. mcu is .......well, they just ban everything for children. its gross. |
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Feb 13, 2018 7:45:58 GMT
Sorry if my contribution to the topic at hand seems a bit lazy or anything but serious question - Do summers8, Tristan, and DC-Fan have actual social lives? They spend the vast majority of their time trashing the MCU and its fan base and go nuts with the emoticons and exclamation points like they're hyped up on sugar.
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