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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 13, 2017 11:06:14 GMT
Marvel would never adopt the current X-Men continuity, so this isn't a question that matters.
If they ever were able to use the X-Men, they would establish new versions of the characters, and yes, I would watch that.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Mar 13, 2017 12:02:05 GMT
Marvel would never adopt the current X-Men continuity, so this isn't a question that matters.
If they ever were able to use the X-Men, they would establish new versions of the characters, and yes, I would watch that. You sure about that? Kevin Fiege helped created the X-Men continuity and I can see them using it for their multiverse concept.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 13, 2017 15:58:10 GMT
Also, given the direction of the MCU, we will never see something as tonally different as Deadpool or Logan. Expect the mutants to crack jokes all the time like Chris Pratt if they ever join the MCU. So, be their comic selves then? And no, the Avengers and Mutants aren't incompatible. You may as well say that African-Americans are incompatible with every other minority group because they're prejudiced against but others aren't. Africans and Spaniards clearly can't exist in the same world! In the 70s and 80s, Chris Claremont had the Mutants interact with the rest of the Marvel Universe quite a bit. It wasn't until the 90s that they got stupid and tried to separate them, something comics are still trying to recover from.
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Post by ThatGuy on Mar 13, 2017 15:58:13 GMT
Mutants and Avengers have always been separate and incompatible with one another in comics. As both groups hardly interact with each other except a few occasions, MCU movies so far have also differed from X-Men movies significantly. Joining two franchises means that we will have to water down the political allegory of X-Men and the craziness of time travel and alternative timelines in X-books. Also, given the direction of the MCU, we will never see something as tonally different as Deadpool or Logan. Expect the mutants to crack jokes all the time like Chris Pratt if they ever join the MCU. Yeah, no, this is a lie. They interacted a lot. Especially that Beast, Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch who were on the various Avengers teams. Also, Quicksilver being a member of X-Factor. Another thing is that they won't join the two franchises. They won't just add in the X-men movies as is. They didn't add in the Garfield Spider-man movies did they? And water down the political allegory? Did you not see the Captain America movies. Captain America is way more political than X-men. Also, X-men is not political, it is social. About the time traveling and alternate timeline... the X-men movies didn't really do anything with it. Also, Dr. Strange played with time travel. So Guardians of the Galaxy is the measure of the MCU? Captain America is the same character as Star-Lord? Black Panther is the same character as Star-Lord? And the great thing about having different directors is that there is quite a bit of tonal differences. There is an overall tone for the entire MCU, but each movie (or series of movies) has a tone of it's own.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Mar 13, 2017 17:16:26 GMT
Mutants and Avengers have always been separate and incompatible with one another in comics. As both groups hardly interact with each other except a few occasions, MCU movies so far have also differed from X-Men movies significantly. Joining two franchises means that we will have to water down the political allegory of X-Men and the craziness of time travel and alternative timelines in X-books. Also, given the direction of the MCU, we will never see something as tonally different as Deadpool or Logan. Expect the mutants to crack jokes all the time like Chris Pratt if they ever join the MCU. Yeah, no, this is a lie. They interacted a lot. Especially that Beast, Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch who were on the various Avengers teams. Also, Quicksilver being a member of X-Factor. Another thing is that they won't join the two franchises. They won't just add in the X-men movies as is. They didn't add in the Garfield Spider-man movies did they? And water down the political allegory? Did you not see the Captain America movies. Captain America is way more political than X-men. Also, X-men is not political, it is social. About the time traveling and alternate timeline... the X-men movies didn't really do anything with it. Also, Dr. Strange played with time travel. So Guardians of the Galaxy is the measure of the MCU? Captain America is the same character as Star-Lord? Black Panther is the same character as Star-Lord? And the great thing about having different directors is that there is quite a bit of tonal differences. There is an overall tone for the entire MCU, but each movie (or series of movies) has a tone of it's own. They kinda played with the idea of time being immutable.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 13, 2017 17:42:11 GMT
Yeah, no, this is a lie. They interacted a lot. Especially that Beast, Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch who were on the various Avengers teams. Also, Quicksilver being a member of X-Factor. Another thing is that they won't join the two franchises. They won't just add in the X-men movies as is. They didn't add in the Garfield Spider-man movies did they? And water down the political allegory? Did you not see the Captain America movies. Captain America is way more political than X-men. Also, X-men is not political, it is social. About the time traveling and alternate timeline... the X-men movies didn't really do anything with it. Also, Dr. Strange played with time travel. So Guardians of the Galaxy is the measure of the MCU? Captain America is the same character as Star-Lord? Black Panther is the same character as Star-Lord? And the great thing about having different directors is that there is quite a bit of tonal differences. There is an overall tone for the entire MCU, but each movie (or series of movies) has a tone of it's own. They kinda played with the idea of time being immutable. Yeah, but nothing ever came of it.
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Post by ThatGuy on Mar 13, 2017 18:12:13 GMT
Yeah, no, this is a lie. They interacted a lot. Especially that Beast, Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch who were on the various Avengers teams. Also, Quicksilver being a member of X-Factor. Another thing is that they won't join the two franchises. They won't just add in the X-men movies as is. They didn't add in the Garfield Spider-man movies did they? And water down the political allegory? Did you not see the Captain America movies. Captain America is way more political than X-men. Also, X-men is not political, it is social. About the time traveling and alternate timeline... the X-men movies didn't really do anything with it. Also, Dr. Strange played with time travel. So Guardians of the Galaxy is the measure of the MCU? Captain America is the same character as Star-Lord? Black Panther is the same character as Star-Lord? And the great thing about having different directors is that there is quite a bit of tonal differences. There is an overall tone for the entire MCU, but each movie (or series of movies) has a tone of it's own. They kinda played with the idea of time being immutable. So basically that by the end of the movie things will be back to normal no matter what you do with time travel. Even with the changes made in DoFP the outcome was still the same. Everyone still died in Logan Dr. Strange made a bigger impact with time travel than X-men ever had.
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 13, 2017 18:21:27 GMT
I'd be very excited to see what MCU can do with the X-men franchise.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 13, 2017 18:49:44 GMT
Marvel would never adopt the current X-Men continuity, so this isn't a question that matters.
If they ever were able to use the X-Men, they would establish new versions of the characters, and yes, I would watch that. You sure about that? Kevin Fiege helped created the X-Men continuity and I can see them using it for their multiverse concept. I would bet a significant amount of money. I never say zero chance, but there is almost no chance that Fiege takes the existing X-Verse and adopts it. He will almost certainly have a vision for what he wants to do with that franchise and everything that has already happened will have nothing to do with it. I don't even think it's a serious debate. I really don't. As a creative person, there is no reason to have that baggage.
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Post by Jerk on Mar 13, 2017 18:50:42 GMT
No. It doesn't bother me either way.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Mar 13, 2017 19:28:18 GMT
They kinda played with the idea of time being immutable. So basically that by the end of the movie things will be back to normal no matter what you do with time travel. Even with the changes made in DoFP the outcome was still the same. Everyone still died in Logan Dr. Strange made a bigger impact with time travel than X-men ever had. Which is an idea that played around in the X-Men comics and 2/3 of the animated series. And... Based on the info that was given, only seven Mutants died in the Westchester incident.
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Post by ThatGuy on Mar 13, 2017 21:28:53 GMT
So basically that by the end of the movie things will be back to normal no matter what you do with time travel. Even with the changes made in DoFP the outcome was still the same. Everyone still died in Logan Dr. Strange made a bigger impact with time travel than X-men ever had. Which is an idea that played around in the X-Men comics and 2/3 of the animated series. And... Based on the info that was given, only seven Mutants died in the Westchester incident. What I meant from that spoiler is that DoFP was meant to change the events of X3 and killing those characters only for it to happen anyway. So basically the X-men can do time travel movies in the MCU, but it wouldn't do anything to the rest of the MCU. Because really, the X-men movies could have gone on like X3 didn't happen because time travel doesn't help or hinder anything in that universe. It's just a tool for that movie and forgotten about.
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Post by medjay on Mar 13, 2017 22:17:15 GMT
Where does this PR come from? What makes you think people had embraced the X guys in the middle of the Cold War? The PR comes from being a Government Sponsored team, having a guy like Tony Stark whose good at PR, Government Operatives like Widow and Hawkeye, a Legendary War hero like Cap, etc.
The X-Men have never even TRIED to work on their PR. They say they're about advancing Human/Mutant Relations but in truth they suck at it.
So basically they have to remake the RL government a lot. X Men less. Do you actually see anyone work on PR besides the first Cap movie?
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 14, 2017 4:02:25 GMT
The PR comes from being a Government Sponsored team, having a guy like Tony Stark whose good at PR, Government Operatives like Widow and Hawkeye, a Legendary War hero like Cap, etc.
The X-Men have never even TRIED to work on their PR. They say they're about advancing Human/Mutant Relations but in truth they suck at it.
So basically they have to remake the RL government a lot. X Men less. Do you actually see anyone work on PR besides the first Cap movie? No, you just have to not portray the Humans in the X-Verse as a bunch of people who uniformly hate mutants to a psychotic degree. I know it's hard for X-Fans to consider this. We don't need to see every moment of PR, just something. As it is, the X-Men never do anything proactively and just expect the world the get better on its own.
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Post by politicidal on Mar 14, 2017 4:29:25 GMT
No. Then we'd see the costumes for once.
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Post by flasuss on Mar 14, 2017 4:30:43 GMT
Actually, showing the X-men doing PR and proactively working to make mutants more respected is something that the comics have engaged a lot in the last 15 years or so, as well as having the X-men questioning Xavier, but the comics aren't there yet- in part because Cyclops is the one leading the charge on that and in the films until last year his only purpose was be the guy that sleeps with the girl Wolverine wants.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 14, 2017 5:34:09 GMT
Actually, showing the X-men doing PR and proactively working to make mutants more respected is something that the comics have engaged a lot in the last 15 years or so, as well as having the X-men questioning Xavier, but the comics aren't there yet- in part because Cyclops is the one leading the charge on that and in the films until last year his only purpose was be the guy that sleeps with the girl Wolverine wants. The movies would be a good place to be able to develop and change the basic premise of X-Men as the stories go on in ways the comics never had the guts to do.
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Post by medjay on Mar 14, 2017 10:03:54 GMT
So basically they have to remake the RL government a lot. X Men less. Do you actually see anyone work on PR besides the first Cap movie? No, you just have to not portray the Humans in the X-Verse as a bunch of people who uniformly hate mutants to a psychotic degree. I know it's hard for X-Fans to consider this. We don't need to see every moment of PR, just something. As it is, the X-Men never do anything proactively and just expect the world the get better on its own. Think how much different they are from gays or communists...
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Post by miike80 on Mar 14, 2017 10:11:03 GMT
yes, fuck that. not every superhero movie should follow the marvel formula
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 14, 2017 12:39:16 GMT
No, you just have to not portray the Humans in the X-Verse as a bunch of people who uniformly hate mutants to a psychotic degree. I know it's hard for X-Fans to consider this. We don't need to see every moment of PR, just something. As it is, the X-Men never do anything proactively and just expect the world the get better on its own. Think how much different they are from gays or communists... ? I don't get your meaning.
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