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Post by Wolverine10005 on Jul 28, 2021 12:55:55 GMT
Honestly, I still think that the movie is set in 1994, not 1995.
I guess the Police report was wrong. John Connor's birthday is February 8th, 1985. As reported on the file. And the file also says that he's 10. As simple as that, the file is right about the birthday, wrong about the age.
Maybe the events of the movie are set in April or May, beyond John's birthday.
We have THREE, and not ONE, evidences backing up that.
1- T-800: "35 years from now" = 1994+35= 2029. Terminators do not round up numbers. They are not humans, and they are better than Police reports compiled by humans.
2- T-800: "In three years" = 1994+3= 1997.
3- Sarah is addressed as being 29 years old, and it's common knowledge that she was at least 19 in 1984. Read the screenplay.
John was a 9 years old kid who looked 11 or 12.
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Post by Wolverine10005 on Jul 19, 2021 12:54:13 GMT
Was Rev-9 already part of history? Was the Dark Fate timeline a new fixed timeline (like T1)? Maybe Sarah Connor always trained Dani Ramos. That would also explain the coordinates of Carl's house tattooed on Grace.
Is there any further evidence of this in the movie?
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Post by Wolverine10005 on Jul 19, 2021 12:13:30 GMT
That said:
1- Ellison did not invent the time travel concept, or the "soldier from the future" idea.
2- Having a cyborg from the future programmed to kill the mother of the future leader of the Resistance is an original idea. As well as the way in which Cameron depicted the circular loop/predestination paradox.
3- Having an android endoskeleton embedded into a "casing" of organic tissue, thus forming a "cyborg", was a totally unique and original take on the subject.
4- If memory serves me well, even that specific post-apocalyptic future was an unique take, at least they way it was depicted on-screen.
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Post by Wolverine10005 on Jul 18, 2021 14:38:34 GMT
I've finally watched this movie.
It costed just 100.000 dollars in 1966. It had an extremely low budget. It had few special effects, the sets were poor, the direction and the cinematography were TV-like.
THAT SAID, the lead character was part Kyle Reese, part Uncle Bob. There was time travel, and there were two Terminators ("Tracers" in the movie) programmed to find the lead character, GARTH A7, in order to kill him before he would alter the past and change the timeline!
Michael Rennie was very charismatic as Garth A7. He's a great actor. No action pieces, except for the long and excellent final fight between GARTH A7 and the Tracer, which truly reminds of the T-800 fist-fighting with the T-1000.
Harlan Ellison was 100% wrong, Terminator was or seemed hugely inspired by this, not by his 2 Outer Limits episodes.
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Post by Wolverine10005 on Jul 18, 2021 14:36:47 GMT
No man, you're incorrect again. There cannot be branches without time travel. TVA agents OBVIOUSLY travel into alternate universes, not time branches, but according to this show... they don't know it. LMAO. As simple as that, writing is super-bad and messed up. They mixed alternate universes and time travel in a confusing and incoherent way. There can be more universes without time travel if you go by the multiverse theoretical idea in physics. Where every decision and action creates multiple world outcomes. And Kang was pruning all of them not just the time travel ones. That would be a lot of pruning. It's still weak writing. Indeed, bad writing. There should be TRILLIONS of alternate universes branching off from the "sacred timeline", so there should be at least 4 million TVA agencies doing that nonsense work, which is not the premise of the show at all. As simple as that, the writing is seriously messed up.
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Post by Wolverine10005 on Jul 17, 2021 16:55:09 GMT
I still don't understand why DARK FATE turned out to be a massive flop.
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Post by Wolverine10005 on Jul 17, 2021 16:53:08 GMT
NOT TRUE. LMAO. You're more confused than the LOKI writers. He didn't destroy anything. Rewatch the episodes, you weren't paying attention. The SACRED TIMELINE was a lie. Sigh. There were multiple timelines correct? They all warred with each other. Kang (from one of the timelines) found Alioth and weaponized him to destroy all other timelines so that there could only be ONE, SINGLE timeline. The entire conundrum at the end between the two Loki's and Kang was that if they killed him, the single timeline would then branch out to multiple timelines (multiverses). I agree that it's not entirely strong writing, but you still got it completely wrong. Rewatch the final episode and pay attention to the discussion. No man, you're incorrect again. There cannot be branches without time travel. TVA agents OBVIOUSLY travel into alternate universes, not time branches, but according to this show... they don't know it. LMAO. As simple as that, writing is super-bad and messed up. They mixed alternate universes and time travel in a confusing and incoherent way.
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Post by Wolverine10005 on Jul 17, 2021 14:05:01 GMT
John had his hits but also misses. Each movie's portrayal of Sarah has been good to great and so I might have to say her. Emilia Clarke did a good job too.
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Post by Wolverine10005 on Jul 16, 2021 11:44:51 GMT
The Terminator movies never worked without Sarah Connor. She's as vital to the franchise as Arnie. John Connor was merely a plot device. Less or more. However, DARK FATE was the only flop of the franchise, and it featured an aged Sarah Connor played by the same actress of the first two. 28 years since the second entry. Maybe people want John Connor too.
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Post by Wolverine10005 on Jul 16, 2021 9:00:44 GMT
I've finally watched the final episode.
So basically:
1- The Black Guy (Kang) "cut" the Sacred Timeline (the MCU) out of the Multiverse (how? Seems impossible), so that other universes could not invade the MCU. Okay. Interdimensional travel to the MCU is not possible, so interdimensional counterparts cannot jump into the MCU. That's right.
2- Time Branches (see ENDGAME) and Alternate Universes are two different concepts. Totally.
STILL, why did the Black Guy (Kang) steal people from Multiverse in order to create the TVA??? Couldn't he use normal humans from the MCU? That would be much more easy.
ALSO: Those alternate universes still exist. All of them.
The Sylvie Universe, the Alligator Loki Universe, the Classic Comic Book Loki Universe and so on and on............... TVA is supposed to just get rid of potential time branches. But what branches?? They were travelling to other universes. Always. Why the TVA doesn't know or realize or discover that they are stealing people from other universes, not "time branches"?
Confusing and badly written. You got #1 wrong, thus the rest of your argument is also wrong. Kang didn't "cut" the MCU timeline from the multiverse, he destroyed every other timeline except for one timeline (the MCU timeline) NOT TRUE. LMAO. You're more confused than the LOKI writers. He didn't destroy anything. Rewatch the episodes, you weren't paying attention. The SACRED TIMELINE was a lie.
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Post by Wolverine10005 on Jul 15, 2021 23:16:01 GMT
Sarah for sure. I feel they kind of botched how badass John Connor should’ve been. His future self looks like a brutal machine killing badass but absolutely none of the main actors captured that same level of machismo.
Stahl's Connor was a roamer and an alienated boy. He wasn't a soldier yet. Bale's Connor was pretty badass. Clarke's Connor was menacing even before being turned into a T-3000.
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Post by Wolverine10005 on Jul 15, 2021 23:08:35 GMT
Sarah. John was always a big nothing, with the exception of T2.
Ironically, Dark Fate is the only flop of the franchise.
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Post by Wolverine10005 on Jul 15, 2021 23:01:39 GMT
Sarah Connor:
The Terminator (1984) Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991) Terminator Genisys (2015) Terminator: Dark Fate (2019)
John Connor:
Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991) Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines (2003) Terminator Salvation (2009) Terminator Genisys (2015)
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Post by Wolverine10005 on Jul 15, 2021 22:54:28 GMT
Full Disclosure, I've never seen SALVATION, but considering there's only 1 movie in Christian Bale's career where I actually liked him - I feel safe saying even if I had seen it, I wouldn't have voted for it.
Despite Christian Bale, SALVATION is very good. To me, the real lead actor is Sam Worthington. So you're safe, watch the movie. Bale was a good John Connor anyway. Not great, but good nonetheless.
Genisys had a great cast, and the "Pops" thing was fresh and original, it was brilliant.
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Post by Wolverine10005 on Jul 15, 2021 21:47:08 GMT
TVA agents believe that alternate universes do NOT exist anymore, but they steal people from other universes, not time branches. They just know that there's a single timeline guarded by the Time-Keepers, but they steal people from other universes... without knowing it???!!!!! ? Massive plotholes. Bad writing.
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Post by Wolverine10005 on Jul 15, 2021 21:32:26 GMT
Great premise, but that's not what is shown on-screen. TVA agents constantly steal people from other universes, NOT "time branches". The agents call them "Time Variants", all of them, but they are not "Time Variants", they are "Interdimensional Counterparts". (EXCEPT 2012 LOKI, of course) And the TVA agents do NOT know that. How can you perform a task and not realize what you're doing? That's impossible.
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Post by Wolverine10005 on Jul 15, 2021 21:11:09 GMT
I've finally watched the final episode.
So basically:
1- The Black Guy (Kang) "cut" the Sacred Timeline (the MCU) out of the Multiverse (how? Seems impossible), so that other universes could not invade the MCU. Okay. Interdimensional travel to the MCU is not possible, so interdimensional counterparts cannot jump into the MCU. That's right.
2- Time Branches (see ENDGAME) and Alternate Universes are two different concepts. Totally.
STILL, why did the Black Guy (Kang) steal people from Multiverse in order to create the TVA??? Couldn't he use normal humans from the MCU? That would be much more easy.
ALSO: Those alternate universes still exist. All of them.
The Sylvie Universe, the Alligator Loki Universe, the Classic Comic Book Loki Universe and so on and on............... TVA is supposed to just get rid of potential time branches. But what branches?? They were travelling to other universes. Always. Why the TVA doesn't know or realize or discover that they are stealing people from other universes, not "time branches"?
Confusing and badly written.
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Post by Wolverine10005 on Jul 14, 2021 0:40:23 GMT
I know I'm very late to the party but... Watched the first 5 episodes. WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON? ?? I thought time travel created ramifications and time variants. Right? So what about all those different, vastly different LOKIS? Alternate dimensions? It's totally out of the original concept. Please, could someone explain me what's going on? Is the TVA a multidimensional Police? ? So it's not about time travel at all, not the way we think about it.
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Post by Wolverine10005 on Jul 14, 2021 0:36:52 GMT
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Post by Wolverine10005 on Jul 9, 2021 18:06:53 GMT
Vote, or Skynet will strike.
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