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Post by charzhino on Apr 28, 2018 14:07:51 GMT
Star Lord really isn't a hero. He's a protagonist, gun for hire. The main reason he went after Thanos on Titan was Gamora. And he just found out in that second that Gamora, who finally said she loved him just before, was dead. This is why I keep saying Starlord is just another copycat of Tony Stark. Tony has done numerous reckless things without thinking, like giving his home address to terrorists on live tv in Ironman 3
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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 28, 2018 14:19:00 GMT
Star Lord really isn't a hero. He's a protagonist, gun for hire. The main reason he went after Thanos on Titan was Gamora. And he just found out in that second that Gamora, who finally said she loved him just before, was dead. This is why I keep saying Starlord is just another copycat of Tony Stark. Tony has done numerous reckless things without thinking, like giving his home address to terrorists on live tv in Ironman 3 The difference there is that Tony has time to think on what he's going to do and makes the wrong decisions. What Peter did was in that moment. He didn't think at all. For Tony, things has to go his way or not at all.
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Post by Larcen26 on Apr 28, 2018 20:52:22 GMT
I think she will too... But it's possible she was the "gut punch" that will last. All of the "Ash" people will be back, but she might stay dead. Though I suppose Guardians could be "The Search for Gamora" They said GotG3 is the last with the original team so I suspect she will be back unless they set it before finding Thor. My current theory is that Guardians 3 will be literally called "The Search for Gamora" with all of the art mimicing Star Trek 3. She will have taken Red Skull's place and they have to figure out how to release her.
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Post by merh on Apr 28, 2018 21:38:04 GMT
They said GotG3 is the last with the original team so I suspect she will be back unless they set it before finding Thor. My current theory is that Guardians 3 will be literally called "The Search for Gamora" with all of the art mimicing Star Trek 3. She will have taken Red Skull's place and they have to figure out how to release her. Red skull wasnt a sacrifice. He rainbow bridge teleported I will see it again next week with my sister but i thought Skull referred to the sacrifice as cruel. I don't believe he has anything to sacrifice.
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Post by harpospoke on Apr 28, 2018 22:28:07 GMT
I can't believe I'm reading stuff like this. Where did this come from? The idea that we need heroes to die in movies now? That stupid word..."stakes". When has that EVER been true? It's a made up "requirement". Is it from Game of Thrones and Walking Dead? Is that where this dumb idea comes from? Well obviously killing characters isn't helping Walking Dead to be a good show. As always, the good show has good writing and the bad show has bad writing. Both kill major characters all the time so that has nothing to do with it. It's about the writing like it has always been through centuries of story telling. The kids seem normal. They are expecting what people have expected from stories for centuries....the good guys win in the end. Those suddenly changing this to a new standard where killing characters makes the story good are the odd ones. Who doesn't know that evil wins in real life? Why would anyone need anyone to tell them that in stories? Stories are and have ALWAYS been about escape from real life. We get real life every day when we get out of bed. A story thrills us because it sends us to places we don't get in real life very often. The universe is starting to get crowded.
Cull the Herd.As for the kids, I see nothing wrong with giving them dark material. Parents should have more concerns about their children. Like how our government seems okay with them being shot up in schools. Ha...alright Thanos. Make up your mind. Do you want to give kids dark material to view or are you concerned about their welfare. Because viewing things does have an effect on you.
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Post by harpospoke on Apr 28, 2018 22:31:12 GMT
1 is the main one. I was only mildly put out by terror Parker. A lot of characters do dumb things because they are emotional. I'm usually not asked to root for them. And certainly not a character who is now responsible for half the life in the universe dying because he couldn't control himself for a few seconds over a dead girlfriend. I don't see any reasonable excuse for that. It's pretty much the worst thing I've ever seen a hero character do. Star Lord really isn't a hero. He's a protagonist, gun for hire. The main reason he went after Thanos on Titan was Gamora. And he just found out in that second that Gamora, who finally said she loved him just before, was dead. It's not like she dies months ago and he knew. He thought that she could still be alive. You also have it that realizes that he screwed up in Thanos getting the soul stone when he hesitated in killing Gamora. All these factors add up in that small moment. And if they use time travel to restore the timeline, like it looks like in the BTS pics of Avengers 4, it doesn't matter because he didn't make that impulsive decision. Maybe only Tony and Nebula will know. And I don't think Tony will fault him because he did the same thing a few movie appearances ago. Not seeing anything close to an excuse for what he did. It's certainly NOTHING like what Stark did in CW. Half the life in the universe. Starlord knew that was what was at stake too. Even a villain character would know what the priority was in that situation. Quill should stay dead for that one. The most selfish act in the history of the fictional universe. I'm actually thinking that's the most selfish act in movie history. Can't think of a worse one.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Apr 28, 2018 23:29:41 GMT
The universe is starting to get crowded.
Cull the Herd.As for the kids, I see nothing wrong with giving them dark material. Parents should have more concerns about their children. Like how our government seems okay with them being shot up in schools. Ha...alright Thanos. Make up your mind. Do you want to give kids dark material to view or are you concerned about their welfare. Because viewing things does have an effect on you. I call bullshit because I grew up watching Friday the 13th and I never put on a hockey mask and butchered horny teenagers. Let kids have dark material, especially in comic book movies. As for their well being? Sorry for being against the school shootings.
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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 29, 2018 18:30:29 GMT
Star Lord really isn't a hero. He's a protagonist, gun for hire. The main reason he went after Thanos on Titan was Gamora. And he just found out in that second that Gamora, who finally said she loved him just before, was dead. It's not like she dies months ago and he knew. He thought that she could still be alive. You also have it that realizes that he screwed up in Thanos getting the soul stone when he hesitated in killing Gamora. All these factors add up in that small moment. And if they use time travel to restore the timeline, like it looks like in the BTS pics of Avengers 4, it doesn't matter because he didn't make that impulsive decision. Maybe only Tony and Nebula will know. And I don't think Tony will fault him because he did the same thing a few movie appearances ago. Not seeing anything close to an excuse for what he did. It's certainly NOTHING like what Stark did in CW. Half the life in the universe. Starlord knew that was what was at stake too. Even a villain character would know what the priority was in that situation. Quill should stay dead for that one. The most selfish act in the history of the fictional universe. I'm actually thinking that's the most selfish act in movie history. Can't think of a worse one. But then again, what he did was suppose to happen. Not according to his plan, but the plan of the universe. Remember, this is what is suppose to happen for that one win to occur. If Quill didn't do what he did, then that would be another loss for the good guys.
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Post by DC-Fan on Apr 29, 2018 18:59:26 GMT
**SPOILERS** There's no way Doctor Strange gave the time stone just to spare Iron Man's life. He said it himself, the stone is more important than everything and he'd sacrifice anyone to protect it. I think he gave the stone, because it's the only way that they win in the end out of the 4 million futures he visited. He even said 'it's the only way' to Tony after he gave the stone. I think some of the characters will be brought back (Spidey & Black Panther f.e.), but I also think some will stay dead and I think some of the people who survived will die in Avengers 4 (f.e. Cap & Iron Man). That doesn't make any sense at all. If giving Thanos the time stone was the only winning scenario, then why not just give Thanos the time stone when they first see Thanos? Why go through the fight and try to take the gauntlet off Thanos' hand and have Thanos stab Stark before giving the time stone to Thanos? What if Starlord hadn't acted like such a dick and they had gotten the gauntlet off of Thanos' hand before Strange could give Thanos the time stone? Would that have resulted in a losing scenario? If so, then why go through that risk? Why not just give the time stone to Thanos when they first see Thanos?
Like I said, really awful writing!
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Post by charzhino on Apr 29, 2018 19:01:16 GMT
Not seeing anything close to an excuse for what he did. It's certainly NOTHING like what Stark did in CW. Half the life in the universe. Starlord knew that was what was at stake too. Even a villain character would know what the priority was in that situation. Quill should stay dead for that one. The most selfish act in the history of the fictional universe. I'm actually thinking that's the most selfish act in movie history. Can't think of a worse one. But then again, what he did was suppose to happen. Not according to his plan, but the plan of the universe. Remember, this is what is suppose to happen for that one win to occur. If Quill didn't do what he did, then that would be another loss for the good guys. Thats irrelevant because hes oblivious to any of this. Dr Strange and the rest clearly told him to not strike Thanos. Never mind Quill not caring that half the universes lives were at stake, he even knew the plan set out by Strange which involved forecasted futures yet he still disobeys and acts selfishly.
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Post by Power Ranger on Apr 29, 2018 19:08:42 GMT
Star Lord really isn't a hero. He's a protagonist, gun for hire. The main reason he went after Thanos on Titan was Gamora. And he just found out in that second that Gamora, who finally said she loved him just before, was dead. It's not like she dies months ago and he knew. He thought that she could still be alive. You also have it that realizes that he screwed up in Thanos getting the soul stone when he hesitated in killing Gamora. All these factors add up in that small moment. And if they use time travel to restore the timeline, like it looks like in the BTS pics of Avengers 4, it doesn't matter because he didn't make that impulsive decision. Maybe only Tony and Nebula will know. And I don't think Tony will fault him because he did the same thing a few movie appearances ago. Not seeing anything close to an excuse for what he did. It's certainly NOTHING like what Stark did in CW. Half the life in the universe. Starlord knew that was what was at stake too. Even a villain character would know what the priority was in that situation. Quill should stay dead for that one. The most selfish act in the history of the fictional universe. I'm actually thinking that's the most selfish act in movie history. Can't think of a worse one. Someone should make a petition. Keep Quill dead
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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 29, 2018 20:04:09 GMT
But then again, what he did was suppose to happen. Not according to his plan, but the plan of the universe. Remember, this is what is suppose to happen for that one win to occur. If Quill didn't do what he did, then that would be another loss for the good guys. Thats irrelevant because hes oblivious to any of this. Dr Strange and the rest clearly told him to not strike Thanos. Never mind Quill not caring that half the universes lives were at stake, he even knew the plan set out by Strange which involved forecasted futures yet he still disobeys and acts selfishly. But it is still how it was meant to go. If he didn't disobey and act selfish like a robot that follows a "script" instead of his emotions like a person then what they did would have gone in that 14,000,602 losses. The thing about that is that Strange did not tell them that what they were doing constituted into that 1 win.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Apr 29, 2018 20:31:34 GMT
IT-IS-FICTION NO-REAL-PEOPLE-DIE How does it matter if a fictional character dies or not? If Old Yeller could return, it would be less of a film. As well if Mac from Cuckoo’s Nest could. Tragedy is a fundamental of drama. It is one of its most endearing components. It’s a legimate critique of the MCU. Neither are based on comic book properties which have gone on for decades on end. Honestly, name one A list comic character who has remained dead. How many times has a hero or villain died but has been brought back to their own universe through various means? ( time travel, magic, doppelgangers, etc.)
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Apr 29, 2018 20:32:49 GMT
**SPOILERS** There's no way Doctor Strange gave the time stone just to spare Iron Man's life. He said it himself, the stone is more important than everything and he'd sacrifice anyone to protect it. I think he gave the stone, because it's the only way that they win in the end out of the 4 million futures he visited. He even said 'it's the only way' to Tony after he gave the stone. I think some of the characters will be brought back (Spidey & Black Panther f.e.), but I also think some will stay dead and I think some of the people who survived will die in Avengers 4 (f.e. Cap & Iron Man). That doesn't make any sense at all. If giving Thanos the time stone was the only winning scenario, then why not just give Thanos the time stone when they first see Thanos? Why go through the fight and try to take the gauntlet off Thanos' hand and have Thanos stab Stark before giving the time stone to Thanos? What if Starlord hadn't acted like such a dick and they had gotten the gauntlet off of Thanos' hand before Strange could give Thanos the time stone? Would that have resulted in a losing scenario? If so, then why go through that risk? Why not just give the time stone to Thanos when they first see Thanos?
Like I said, really awful writing!And Justice League was oh so wonderfully written? I'm thinking most would have a field day tearing that movie apart than they would with Infinity War bro.
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Post by DC-Fan on Apr 29, 2018 20:42:15 GMT
Thats irrelevant because hes oblivious to any of this. Dr Strange and the rest clearly told him to not strike Thanos. Never mind Quill not caring that half the universes lives were at stake, he even knew the plan set out by Strange which involved forecasted futures yet he still disobeys and acts selfishly. But it is still how it was meant to go. If he didn't disobey and act selfish like a robot that follows a "script" instead of his emotions like a person then what they did would have gone in that 14,000,602 losses. The thing about that is that Strange did not tell them that what they were doing constituted into that 1 win. That's why the writing is so awful. If the only way to win was to give Thanos the time stone, then why even try to get the gauntlet off Thanos' hand? What if they had succeeded in getting the gauntlet off Thanos' hand before Strange could give Thanos the time stone? Would that have resulted in a losing scenario? If so, then it made no sense at all to even attempt to get the gauntlet off Thanos' hand since the risk of a losing scenario was too great. Like I said, really awful writing!
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Post by DC-Fan on Apr 29, 2018 20:44:29 GMT
That doesn't make any sense at all. If giving Thanos the time stone was the only winning scenario, then why not just give Thanos the time stone when they first see Thanos? Why go through the fight and try to take the gauntlet off Thanos' hand and have Thanos stab Stark before giving the time stone to Thanos? What if Starlord hadn't acted like such a dick and they had gotten the gauntlet off of Thanos' hand before Strange could give Thanos the time stone? Would that have resulted in a losing scenario? If so, then why go through that risk? Why not just give the time stone to Thanos when they first see Thanos?
Like I said, really awful writing!And Justice League was oh so wonderfully written? I'm thinking most would have a field day tearing that movie apart than they would with Infinity War bro. This is the MCU board and this thread is about an MCU movie. Why do MCU fans always try to turn every thread into an MCU vs DC thread and then claim that DC fans start arguments when it's MCU fans who turn threads into MCU vs DC threads?
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Apr 29, 2018 20:58:12 GMT
And Justice League was oh so wonderfully written? I'm thinking most would have a field day tearing that movie apart than they would with Infinity War bro. This is the MCU board and this thread is about an MCU movie. Why do MCU fans always try to turn every thread into an MCU vs DC thread and then claim that DC fans start arguments when it's MCU fans who turn threads into MCU vs DC threads? Because you spend most of your time trashing MCU movies nitpicking every single detail and taking things to the extreme and are always first to defend DC and claim Marvel copied them. And you also take pleasure if anything related to the MCU is facing trouble critically, financially, or politically. You've rated every MCU movie as a 1/10 and won't rest till everybody is on your side of the argument regarding their quality, but very little DC does anything bad for you and you are willing to let a lot of things slide when it comes to critiquing them. So answer the question, how is Infinity War a 1/10( lowest of the low, on the level of Birdemic, Disaster Movie, and Final Justice) but Justice League is a 9/10( one star away from a perfect 10/10 which like on the level of Citizen Kane, The Godfather, and Yojimbo)?
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Post by DC-Fan on Apr 29, 2018 21:15:53 GMT
This is the MCU board and this thread is about an MCU movie. Why do MCU fans always try to turn every thread into an MCU vs DC thread and then claim that DC fans start arguments when it's MCU fans who turn threads into MCU vs DC threads? Because you spend most of your time trashing MCU movies nitpicking every single detail and taking things to the extreme and are always first to defend DC and claim Marvel copied them. Kevin Feige himself has admitted that MCU copies most of their movies from Superman: The Movie. And if Avengers 4 goes back in time and reverses the ending of Infinity War, then Avengers 4 will have copied Superman: The Movie once again. You've rated every MCU movie as a 1/10 That's false. I rated Iron Man a 2/10 and rated Winter Soldier a 3/10. So answer the question, how is Infinity War a 1/10( lowest of the low, on the level of Birdemic, Disaster Movie, and Final Justice) but Justice League is a 9/10( one star away from a perfect 10/10 which like on the level of Citizen Kane, The Godfather, and Yojimbo)? I rate Justice League a 8/10. And I didn't rate Infinity War a 1/10. Do you see a 1/10 vote here? Rate AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR (2018)I see that there are three zero votes (not by me) so at least 3 other people think Infinity War is a 0/10.
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Apr 29, 2018 22:52:09 GMT
You've rated every MCU movie as a 1/10 That's false. I rated Iron Man a 2/10 and rated Winter Soldier a 3/10. Oh damn! You rated 2 MCU movies out of 20 something slightly higher than 1/10! Forgive me for ever saying you were biased against MCU! My mistake!
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Apr 29, 2018 22:57:14 GMT
I see that there are three zero votes (not by me) so at least 3 other people think Infinity War is a 0/10. Since pretty much no movie in existence deserves 0/10, the OTHER 2 are either trolls or people who are biased against the MCU like you.
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