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Post by hobowar on Aug 24, 2018 20:04:52 GMT
So the Dark Knight had absolutely no artistic merit? Good to know. If you brush it off as having no artistic merit and can’t even properly respond to a post, it prolly wasn’t made for you. Go and rewatch ‘Black Panther,’ an insufferably bland film with no engaging visual style, cringy dialogues, annoying nattering characters, uninteresting narrative and some of the most poorly choreographed fight sequences I’ve ever seen. Yeah, I guess no mcu movie ever be able to touch such classics as "NO MOAR DEAD CAWPS" or any of the bland exposition dumps Alfred or Lucius deliver anytime they're asked a question.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2018 20:07:03 GMT
If you brush it off as having no artistic merit and can’t even properly respond to a post, it prolly wasn’t made for you. Go and rewatch ‘Black Panther,’ an insufferably bland film with no engaging visual style, cringy dialogues, annoying nattering characters, uninteresting narrative and some of the most poorly choreographed fight sequences I’ve ever seen. You should watch some more Nolan films. He shoots action scenes likes he's Stevie Wonder and watching henchmen try to pretend they couldn't easily take out Bale in that silly costume is always comedy gold. Oh I never said Nolan was without his flaws. He’s a mediocre action director (still better than Black Panther) but guess what? He makes up for it by making compelling character dramas and *doesnt focus on the action* which I’ll take over any day than films like Black Panther which pander to the lowest common denominator such as braindead retards like yourself.
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Post by kleinreturns on Aug 24, 2018 22:33:05 GMT
Please tell me about the artistic merit of Logan or the Dark Knight. I’ll start. The Dark Knight +++ I won’t get into the impact this film has had because we all already know that this movie has pretty much changed cinema and it’s influence in pop culture is undeniable. Juxtaposing a cocophony of crime and injustice, Nolan utilizes themes far more interesting than anything the MCU has had, or ever will have, to offer and with it constructs a fascinating, gripping, look at one man spreading his message to society. It’s artistic merit is not to be understated from its stunning cinematography from Wally Pfister who is a tour de force behind to camera, to all the performance, in particular that of Heath Ledger’s who’s presence and performance in this film will trump that of any in every other CBM made. This movie elevated the idea and confinements of what a CBM movie could be into one much much more: a film of beautiful details, stunning imagery, chilling themes and images and an ending that I know has impacted more individuals than just myself. I don’t understand how people just despise this movie out of spite. Logan +++ Again, here’s a film of themes, meaning and value that trump anything the MCU or the DCEU will ever make. I can’t stand the XCU or whatever the fuck its called, but Logan is a touching and poignant end to Jackman’s career. A film about finding peace in your life, loss and regret, and displaying the *true* cost of heroism, and ultimately redemption; this is all captured brilliantly through the neo Western atmosphere thanks to James Mangold behind the camera. Hugh Jackman and Patrick Stewart’s emotional presence they bring is not to be understated either. “Nature made me a freak. Man made me a weapon. And God made it last too long.” The movie is riddled with engaging dialogues, fascinating character interactions that actually mean something and the film actually has weight to it. Oh and the action? Best of any CBM. I actually prefer this film to The Dark Knight, but regardless, both are films act as brilliant reminders that there are actually people underneath all that spandex and these two films along with Spider Man 2 are the only CBM that I can rewatch and get more out of with each viewing. Well i agree with you 100% about TDK, but Logan was awful.
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Post by Skaathar on Aug 24, 2018 22:35:02 GMT
Well that is the thing with the Oscars. you can look at two ways way. when the artistic merit counts when the politics, corruption, money and power counts. Logan and TDK belong on the artistic merit best picture count. there lower films aka DOFP and Batman Begins could even get for writing and acting more than mcu movies BP needs all the politics, money and power as it does not have any artistic merit to show for. Good thing you're not one of the Oscar judges, as your bias is so blatant that you'll definitely fall under the "corruption" group.
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Post by Skaathar on Aug 24, 2018 22:37:05 GMT
Anyway, the fact that people even need to "campaign" movies to win the Oscar already shows you how questionable the winners of these awards are.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2018 23:09:04 GMT
I’ll start. The Dark Knight +++ I won’t get into the impact this film has had because we all already know that this movie has pretty much changed cinema and it’s influence in pop culture is undeniable. Juxtaposing a cocophony of crime and injustice, Nolan utilizes themes far more interesting than anything the MCU has had, or ever will have, to offer and with it constructs a fascinating, gripping, look at one man spreading his message to society. It’s artistic merit is not to be understated from its stunning cinematography from Wally Pfister who is a tour de force behind to camera, to all the performance, in particular that of Heath Ledger’s who’s presence and performance in this film will trump that of any in every other CBM made. This movie elevated the idea and confinements of what a CBM movie could be into one much much more: a film of beautiful details, stunning imagery, chilling themes and images and an ending that I know has impacted more individuals than just myself. I don’t understand how people just despise this movie out of spite. Logan +++ Again, here’s a film of themes, meaning and value that trump anything the MCU or the DCEU will ever make. I can’t stand the XCU or whatever the fuck its called, but Logan is a touching and poignant end to Jackman’s career. A film about finding peace in your life, loss and regret, and displaying the *true* cost of heroism, and ultimately redemption; this is all captured brilliantly through the neo Western atmosphere thanks to James Mangold behind the camera. Hugh Jackman and Patrick Stewart’s emotional presence they bring is not to be understated either. “Nature made me a freak. Man made me a weapon. And God made it last too long.” The movie is riddled with engaging dialogues, fascinating character interactions that actually mean something and the film actually has weight to it. Oh and the action? Best of any CBM. I actually prefer this film to The Dark Knight, but regardless, both are films act as brilliant reminders that there are actually people underneath all that spandex and these two films along with Spider Man 2 are the only CBM that I can rewatch and get more out of with each viewing. Well i agree with you 100% about TDK, but Logan was awful. That’s 100% fair. I just hate it when MCU fanboys mindlessly brush off every other CBM just because it wasn’t made under the banner of their precious MCU.
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Post by DC-Fan on Aug 25, 2018 2:52:40 GMT
uk.ign.com/articles/2018/08/24/black-panther-marvel-disney-oscars-best-picture-popular-film-category-academy"The Academy's recently announced Best Popular Film Oscar category reportedly won't change Marvel Studios and Disney's plan to campaign for Black Panther to be nominated as Best Picture. Marvel has already begun the groundwork for a Black Panther Best Picture campaign, including hiring a veteran Oscar strategist and putting a "significant" awards season budget behind it -- something, as The Los Angeles Times points out, Marvel had never done before. Marvel's strategy for getting Oscar voters to consider Black Panther for Best Picture includes leaning into the movie's "creative accomplishments and the global impact it made," according to the Times. In other words, Marvel's Oscar campaign will play up the personal nature of director Ryan Coogler's accomplishment and what the film has meant to so many around the world, particularly to underrepresented artists and audiences of color. Black Panther was not only a huge box office hit, it was also a film that mattered deeply to both the industry and to filmgoers. Marvel aims to remind Oscar voters of all that." So despite what a few have said, it doesn't look like they're going to take this movie towards the Best Popular Film award, seems they've got their sights on the bigger Best Film award. I'd think it'd be worthy of a Best Popular Film nomination but Best Film? Hmm if Logan didn't get one then it seems a bit unfair that this would but I suppose it'd still be more interesting than some unknown indie movie that nobody has heard of. MCU is so desperate to get a non-technical Oscar that they hired a professional to campaign for it. That's really lame. If a movie is good enough to be nominated form Best Picture, then it shouldn't need to have any professionals campaigning for it. As for global impact, what a bunch of bullshit. MCU thinks that Black Panther is like Roots. But Black Panther is just an awful, over-hyped and over-rated movie and doesn't deserve any Best Picture nomination.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Aug 25, 2018 4:07:29 GMT
You should watch some more Nolan films. He shoots action scenes likes he's Stevie Wonder and watching henchmen try to pretend they couldn't easily take out Bale in that silly costume is always comedy gold. Oh I never said Nolan was without his flaws. He’s a mediocre action director (still better than Black Panther) but guess what? He makes up for it by making compelling character dramas and *doesnt focus on the action* which I’ll take over any day than films like Black Panther which pander to the lowest common denominator such as braindead retards like yourself. So I'm retarded because I enjoy Black Panther?
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Post by Vassaggo on Aug 25, 2018 4:10:30 GMT
uk.ign.com/articles/2018/08/24/black-panther-marvel-disney-oscars-best-picture-popular-film-category-academy"The Academy's recently announced Best Popular Film Oscar category reportedly won't change Marvel Studios and Disney's plan to campaign for Black Panther to be nominated as Best Picture. Marvel has already begun the groundwork for a Black Panther Best Picture campaign, including hiring a veteran Oscar strategist and putting a "significant" awards season budget behind it -- something, as The Los Angeles Times points out, Marvel had never done before. Marvel's strategy for getting Oscar voters to consider Black Panther for Best Picture includes leaning into the movie's "creative accomplishments and the global impact it made," according to the Times. In other words, Marvel's Oscar campaign will play up the personal nature of director Ryan Coogler's accomplishment and what the film has meant to so many around the world, particularly to underrepresented artists and audiences of color. Black Panther was not only a huge box office hit, it was also a film that mattered deeply to both the industry and to filmgoers. Marvel aims to remind Oscar voters of all that." So despite what a few have said, it doesn't look like they're going to take this movie towards the Best Popular Film award, seems they've got their sights on the bigger Best Film award. I'd think it'd be worthy of a Best Popular Film nomination but Best Film? Hmm if Logan didn't get one then it seems a bit unfair that this would but I suppose it'd still be more interesting than some unknown indie movie that nobody has heard of. MCU is so desperate to get a non-technical Oscar that they hired a professional to campaign for it. That's really lame. If a movie is good enough to be nominated form Best Picture, then it shouldn't need to have any professionals campaigning for it. As for global impact, what a bunch of bullshit. MCU thinks that Black Panther is like Roots. But Black Panther is just an awful, over-hyped and over-rated movie and doesn't deserve any Best Picture nomination. I agree it shouldn't be done, but every Studio does it. Another reason I stopped caring about oscars. And just like always your opinion on a movie is just that an opinion.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Aug 25, 2018 4:11:34 GMT
uk.ign.com/articles/2018/08/24/black-panther-marvel-disney-oscars-best-picture-popular-film-category-academy"The Academy's recently announced Best Popular Film Oscar category reportedly won't change Marvel Studios and Disney's plan to campaign for Black Panther to be nominated as Best Picture. Marvel has already begun the groundwork for a Black Panther Best Picture campaign, including hiring a veteran Oscar strategist and putting a "significant" awards season budget behind it -- something, as The Los Angeles Times points out, Marvel had never done before. Marvel's strategy for getting Oscar voters to consider Black Panther for Best Picture includes leaning into the movie's "creative accomplishments and the global impact it made," according to the Times. In other words, Marvel's Oscar campaign will play up the personal nature of director Ryan Coogler's accomplishment and what the film has meant to so many around the world, particularly to underrepresented artists and audiences of color. Black Panther was not only a huge box office hit, it was also a film that mattered deeply to both the industry and to filmgoers. Marvel aims to remind Oscar voters of all that." So despite what a few have said, it doesn't look like they're going to take this movie towards the Best Popular Film award, seems they've got their sights on the bigger Best Film award. I'd think it'd be worthy of a Best Popular Film nomination but Best Film? Hmm if Logan didn't get one then it seems a bit unfair that this would but I suppose it'd still be more interesting than some unknown indie movie that nobody has heard of. MCU is so desperate to get a non-technical Oscar that they hired a professional to campaign for it. That's really lame. If a movie is good enough to be nominated form Best Picture, then it shouldn't need to have any professionals campaigning for it. As for global impact, what a bunch of bullshit. MCU thinks that Black Panther is like Roots. But Black Panther is just an awful, over-hyped and over-rated movie and doesn't deserve any Best Picture nomination. Sounds like you're salty due to the fact that the first ever CBM to be nominated for Best Picture could belong to the MCU.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Aug 25, 2018 4:17:20 GMT
Anyway, the fact that people even need to "campaign" movies to win the Oscar already shows you how questionable the winners of these awards are. That's how it works. How else do producers try to get attention from the Academy members? By campaigning for it. There was a Wonder Woman campaign last year.
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Aug 25, 2018 4:19:00 GMT
Oh I never said Nolan was without his flaws. He’s a mediocre action director (still better than Black Panther) but guess what? He makes up for it by making compelling character dramas and *doesnt focus on the action* which I’ll take over any day than films like Black Panther which pander to the lowest common denominator such as braindead retards like yourself. So I'm retarded because I enjoy Black Panther? Basically.
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Post by Vassaggo on Aug 25, 2018 4:27:52 GMT
Harvey Weinstein's campaigning skills is one of the reason he had so much power in Hollywood. In 2017 the Academy added more rules but it wasn't effective at all.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Aug 25, 2018 4:48:22 GMT
uk.ign.com/articles/2018/08/24/black-panther-marvel-disney-oscars-best-picture-popular-film-category-academy"The Academy's recently announced Best Popular Film Oscar category reportedly won't change Marvel Studios and Disney's plan to campaign for Black Panther to be nominated as Best Picture. Marvel has already begun the groundwork for a Black Panther Best Picture campaign, including hiring a veteran Oscar strategist and putting a "significant" awards season budget behind it -- something, as The Los Angeles Times points out, Marvel had never done before. Marvel's strategy for getting Oscar voters to consider Black Panther for Best Picture includes leaning into the movie's "creative accomplishments and the global impact it made," according to the Times. In other words, Marvel's Oscar campaign will play up the personal nature of director Ryan Coogler's accomplishment and what the film has meant to so many around the world, particularly to underrepresented artists and audiences of color. Black Panther was not only a huge box office hit, it was also a film that mattered deeply to both the industry and to filmgoers. Marvel aims to remind Oscar voters of all that." So despite what a few have said, it doesn't look like they're going to take this movie towards the Best Popular Film award, seems they've got their sights on the bigger Best Film award. I'd think it'd be worthy of a Best Popular Film nomination but Best Film? Hmm if Logan didn't get one then it seems a bit unfair that this would but I suppose it'd still be more interesting than some unknown indie movie that nobody has heard of. MCU is so desperate to get a non-technical Oscar that they hired a professional to campaign for it. That's really lame. If a movie is good enough to be nominated form Best Picture, then it shouldn't need to have any professionals campaigning for it. As for global impact, what a bunch of bullshit. MCU thinks that Black Panther is like Roots. But Black Panther is just an awful, over-hyped and over-rated movie and doesn't deserve any Best Picture nomination. You mean like all that campaigning for Wonder Woman to get a Best Pic nom?
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Post by DC-Fan on Aug 25, 2018 4:54:21 GMT
MCU is so desperate to get a non-technical Oscar that they hired a professional to campaign for it. That's really lame. If a movie is good enough to be nominated form Best Picture, then it shouldn't need to have any professionals campaigning for it. As for global impact, what a bunch of bullshit. MCU thinks that Black Panther is like Roots. But Black Panther is just an awful, over-hyped and over-rated movie and doesn't deserve any Best Picture nomination. You mean like all that campaigning for Wonder Woman to get a Best Pic nom? WB didn't hire a professional to campaign for anything. All WB did was send Academy voters a DVD package of movies to consider for Oscar nominations. And Wonder Woman was only 1 of the movies that was included in the DVD package, but the main movie that WB was pushing for Oscar nominations in their DVD package was Dunkirk. MCU actually hired a professional to campaign for Black Panther. That's really shameful. If a movie is good enough to be nominated for an Oscar, then it shouldn't need a professional to campaign for it.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Aug 25, 2018 5:06:32 GMT
You mean like all that campaigning for Wonder Woman to get a Best Pic nom? WB didn't hire a professional to campaign for anything. All WB did was send Academy voters a DVD package of movies to consider for Oscar nominations. And Wonder Woman was only 1 of the movies that was included in the DVD package, but the main movie that WB was pushing for Oscar nominations in their DVD package was Dunkirk. MCU actually hired a professional to campaign for Black Panther. That's really shameful. If a movie is good enough to be nominated for an Oscar, then it shouldn't need a professional to campaign for it. Except Warner Bros. did campaign for Wonder Woman variety.com/2017/film/news/wonder-woman-oscars-patty-jenkins-gal-gadot-comic-book-1202509132/
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Post by Vassaggo on Aug 25, 2018 5:06:33 GMT
You mean like all that campaigning for Wonder Woman to get a Best Pic nom? WB didn't hire a professional to campaign for anything. All WB did was send Academy voters a DVD package of movies to consider for Oscar nominations. And Wonder Woman was only 1 of the movies that was included in the DVD package, but the main movie that WB was pushing for Oscar nominations in their DVD package was Dunkirk. MCU actually hired a professional to campaign for Black Panther. That's really shameful. If a movie is good enough to be nominated for an Oscar, then it shouldn't need a professional to campaign for it. Isn't this the first time Marvel Studios has campaigned for a Oscar? IF that's the case who would have the contacts in Marvel Studios to head up the Campaign? I'm not excusing it. I think any studio who campaigns at all, be a dvd, full page ads, private screenings, parties etc should be disqualified from being nominated. Just wondering.
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Post by DC-Fan on Aug 25, 2018 5:12:01 GMT
WB didn't hire a professional to campaign for anything. All WB did was send Academy voters a DVD package of movies to consider for Oscar nominations. And Wonder Woman was only 1 of the movies that was included in the DVD package, but the main movie that WB was pushing for Oscar nominations in their DVD package was Dunkirk. MCU actually hired a professional to campaign for Black Panther. That's really shameful. If a movie is good enough to be nominated for an Oscar, then it shouldn't need a professional to campaign for it. Isn't this the first time Marvel Studios has campaigned for a Oscar? No, MCU campaigned for GotG2 and Ragnarok last year: Thor: Ragnarok & Guardians of the Galaxy 2 Get Oscar Campaigns
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Post by Vassaggo on Aug 25, 2018 5:16:04 GMT
I thought I read that last year, but read somewhere this was the first Campaign this year. So I was unsure. Completely off topic why do you call Marvel Studios (or even Disney) as the MCU. The MCU is the product and Marvel Studios the maker? Do you call WB or DC as the DCEU?
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Post by summers8 on Aug 25, 2018 8:34:42 GMT
LOL look at derange MCU fanboy kleinreturns calling Logan awful because the movie made MCU movies look like the childish comedy CGI garbage they are. yawn. sorry mcu fans. logan already exposed your foolish movies. that was awful indeed.
facts of facts. logan deserved best picture but we were comforted with adapted screenplay the second best.
MCU fans know none of their movies can be taken oscar seriously so they attack the marvel movies that can be aka Logan.
yawn.
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