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Post by Vassaggo on Sept 7, 2018 8:20:08 GMT
Dude I get it you don't like the MCU and that the MCU will have the X-men. Everything you just said is an opinion. Hell the Oscars are nothing but Opinion. Why do you need people's opinion to validate your own? You like Fox's version of Xmen and you don't like the MCU. There is no need for you to validate those opinions with awards, critics, actors, actresses, etc. Maybe I worded it wrong but I want people's nutty conspiracy theories to explain it. Get creative the nuttier the better. it's not opinions . its 101 film making facts. attentively if it is opinions, the Oscars have their opinions of what they like based on their 83 year history. there are more things to like in first class and batman begins for the Oscars than black panther. Yes it is opinions. The judgement on whether a piece of art is good, bad, high quality, low quality, etc is OPINIONS. Just because they work in the field doesn't make their Opinions better than yours. They maybe able to articulate their opinions better than you, but even that judging of their articulation is opinion. God could come down today. Prove his Omnipotence and Omniscience. The basis of the Universe working is based on what he says is correct. To prove him wrong would undo all existences. And if he says Black Panther is the best movie every produced you could still disagree with your opinion. The Universe would cease to exist because he can't be correct in that situation. When it comes to the consumption of art only the consumers opinion is valid. No one elses.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Sept 7, 2018 8:30:25 GMT
IF, big if, Black Panther gets nominated, (or pulls out a victory). What will the conspiracy nuts say what happened? I think their major push will be that, Disney seeing the backlash told the Academy to pull it back this year so Black Panther can be nominated under the original category for best film. What's your going theory list it below. If (a huge IF) it does happen and they get nominated we can come back here and see who was closest. If black panther gets nominated it will proof beyond reasonable doubt that 1. there is a bias to MCU that has now become impossible to deny
2. Disney is overly powerful and too influencial that they destroy the very core of artistic meritthe topic is simple. black panther is an average and generic movie. forget Logan and TDK. Use first class and batman begins. first class and batman begins are better films, why? a. the plots of these films are more compelling b.the characters are more 3 dimensional c. both films have better CGI. More importantly the core themes of both films. batman begins dealing with police corruption and first class dealing with the cold war and racial prejudice were handled with more depth than the themes of black panther that was barely there, which is what attracts Oscars. so how can black panther get nominated why none of this films did not? it is simple. the recognition should go to the best of film making. black panther is not close to the best. Because comic book movies weren't taken seriously, at least I the eyes of the folks running the Oscars. Spider-Man 2 was a film that even the great late Roger Ebert pushed for an Oscar nomination. In the 2000's comic based films were only looked at as mostly just popcorn block buster films (well granted most of them were) and up till 2007, with a few exceptions, weren't taken seriously. The Dark Knight changed that. Nolan showed the world that comic book movies could tell compelling stories that didn't rely on CGI heavy effects and over the top action. That's why that film got the biggest push that year, but it wasn't enough to change their prejudice against the genre. Sure they gave ledger the Oscar and gave the film some technical stuff. But no best picture or director. 2008 was the year Nolan was robbed of an Oscar. Now thanks to Logan, it's looking like we're seeing a major change in the Oscars.
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Post by summers8 on Sept 7, 2018 8:33:43 GMT
it's not opinions . its 101 film making facts. attentively if it is opinions, the Oscars have their opinions of what they like based on their 83 year history. there are more things to like in first class and batman begins for the Oscars than black panther. Yes it is opinions. The judgement on whether a piece of art is good, bad, high quality, low quality, etc is OPINIONS. Just because they work in the field doesn't make their Opinions better than yours. They maybe able to articulate their opinions better than you, but even that judging of their articulation is opinion. God could come down today. Prove his Omnipotence and Omniscience. The basis of the Universe working is based on what he says is correct. To prove him wrong would undo all existences. And if he says Black Panther is the best movie every produced you could still disagree with your opinion. The Universe would cease to exist because he can't be correct in that situation. When it comes to the consumption of art only the consumers opinion is valid. No one elses. let me make it simple. 1. go to Harvard film school. submit the script of black panther, first class and batman begins. black panther will get the lowest score. 2. go to Lucas light , sound and magic. submit the technical categories of black panther, first class and batman begins, black panther will get the lowest score for CGI and Cinematography. 3. go to a prestigious drama school. show acting coaches the performances of Michael B Jordan, Michael Fassbinder and Liam Nesson. Michael b Jordan will get the lowest score for acting so one dimensional and easily falling into stereotypes...ie angry black man. its all opinions but truthful collective opinions based on real and honest analysis of what we expect from good film making wins.
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Post by summers8 on Sept 7, 2018 8:42:40 GMT
If black panther gets nominated it will proof beyond reasonable doubt that 1. there is a bias to MCU that has now become impossible to deny
2. Disney is overly powerful and too influencial that they destroy the very core of artistic meritthe topic is simple. black panther is an average and generic movie. forget Logan and TDK. Use first class and batman begins. first class and batman begins are better films, why? a. the plots of these films are more compelling b.the characters are more 3 dimensional c. both films have better CGI. More importantly the core themes of both films. batman begins dealing with police corruption and first class dealing with the cold war and racial prejudice were handled with more depth than the themes of black panther that was barely there, which is what attracts Oscars. so how can black panther get nominated why none of this films did not? it is simple. the recognition should go to the best of film making. black panther is not close to the best. Because comic book movies weren't taken seriously, at least I the eyes of the folks running the Oscars. Spider-Man 2 was a film that even the great late Roger Ebert pushed for an Oscar nomination. In the 2000's comic based films were only looked at as mostly just popcorn block buster films (well granted most of them were) and up till 2007, with a few exceptions, weren't taken seriously. The Dark Knight changed that. Nolan showed the world that comic book movies could tell compelling stories that didn't rely on CGI heavy effects and over the top action. That's why that film got the biggest push that year, but it wasn't enough to change their prejudice against the genre. Sure they gave ledger the Oscar and gave the film some technical stuff. But no best picture or director. 2008 was the year Nolan was robbed of an Oscar. Now thanks to Logan, it's looking like we're seeing a major change in the Oscars. Nolan also saw X-Men 1 in cinema and like everyone, came to that conclusion that comic movies could be serious and compelling without heavy cgi. though not everyone if you knew xmen already. reason we say xmen and his movies are as grounded as you can be. you should thank X-Men 1 like Nolan did. www.cosmicbooknews.com/content/hugh-jackman-compares-bryan-singer-x-men-christopher-nolan-batmanNolan schools us on xmen 1. "Few people kind of credit Bryan for what he deserves credit for, which is really inventing that genre. There really wasn't a superhero genre before X-Men came out. And funny enough, I remember catching a plan while we were promoting The Prestige with Chris Nolan. He said to me he always had the Batman in his mind even way back before 2000; he had the version of Batman that he ended up making, in his head. And he said 'when I went into the cinema, and I saw X-Men' he was like 'damn, that's my idea.' The idea that you can really delve into the emotional life to the vulnerabilities of these characters and that as well as being fantastical and amazing and action is what's going to hold people and make them care. That's what Bryan did. He had a lot of courage to do that."
Infact I already posted the video but I will do so again, the opening of xmen 1 changed comic books forever as a story telling drama format since the movie began like a play out from schindler's list reason I said, if it is based on artistic merit. xmen 1, first class and batman begins will have more chance than any mcu colourful cartoon cgi heavy movie. facts are facts
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Post by Vassaggo on Sept 7, 2018 8:48:44 GMT
Yes it is opinions. The judgement on whether a piece of art is good, bad, high quality, low quality, etc is OPINIONS. Just because they work in the field doesn't make their Opinions better than yours. They maybe able to articulate their opinions better than you, but even that judging of their articulation is opinion. God could come down today. Prove his Omnipotence and Omniscience. The basis of the Universe working is based on what he says is correct. To prove him wrong would undo all existences. And if he says Black Panther is the best movie every produced you could still disagree with your opinion. The Universe would cease to exist because he can't be correct in that situation. When it comes to the consumption of art only the consumers opinion is valid. No one elses. let me make it simple. 1. go to Harvard film school. submit the script of black panther, first class and batman begins. black panther will get the lowest score. 2. go to Lucas light , sound and magic. submit the technical categories of black panther, first class and batman begins, black panther will get the lowest score for CGI and Cinematography. 3. go to a prestigious drama school. show acting coaches the performances of Michael B Jordan, Michael Fassbinder and Liam Nesson. Michael b Jordan will get the lowest score for acting so one dimensional and easily falling into stereotypes...ie angry black man. its all opinions but truthful collective opinions based on real and honest analysis of what we expect from good film making wins. Jesus you are taking your opinion rants to an Inception level. You are predicting others opinions based off of your own. There is no such thing as Truth in art. There is only what you believe. Trust me 2 years getting my Art Minor, I had to sit a critique 100's of paintings and sculptures. The first thing they teach you is just that no one's opinion matters other than your own or the person buying the art. Master Painters opinions, Art Critics, etc mean nothing. I've won a few Art Shows in High School and College. Me winning first place vs the 100's of other participants didn't make my drawings or paintings any better than theirs. edit: Even the purchaser of the Art doesn't really matter to the rest of the public. (only to him) If your opinion of a painting is strong enough to buy it that's the only reason why theirs opinion matters that they liked enough to buy it.
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Post by summers8 on Sept 7, 2018 9:03:46 GMT
let me make it simple. 1. go to Harvard film school. submit the script of black panther, first class and batman begins. black panther will get the lowest score. 2. go to Lucas light , sound and magic. submit the technical categories of black panther, first class and batman begins, black panther will get the lowest score for CGI and Cinematography. 3. go to a prestigious drama school. show acting coaches the performances of Michael B Jordan, Michael Fassbinder and Liam Nesson. Michael b Jordan will get the lowest score for acting so one dimensional and easily falling into stereotypes...ie angry black man. its all opinions but truthful collective opinions based on real and honest analysis of what we expect from good film making wins. Jesus you are taking your opinion rants to an Inception level. You are predicting others opinions based off of your own. There is no such thing as Truth in art. There is only what you believe. Trust me 2 years getting my Art Minor, I had to sit a critique 100's of paintings and sculptures. The first thing they teach you is just that no one's opinion matters other than your own or the person buying the art. Master Painters opinions, Art Critics, etc mean nothing. I've won a few Art Shows in High School and College. Me winning first place vs the 100's of other participants didn't make my drawings or paintings any better than theirs. If you truly think so then it means education and the circle of life is worthless. thankfully they are not. there are steps we do to get better in life. mcu movies are still on the baby step , it is Disney afterall who admitted they make comic films for kids, xmen and dc are in the grown up steps. when I was in school, I can compare two essays I wrote , one with a B or D grade and I can see why I got a D compared to the B. If you are telling me , you cant do the same and actually tell the difference, then I have nothing left to say to you. you mcu fans have become so delusional and erratic, you even ignore the fabric of how the real world works just to defend these Disney toy garbage movies. I feel sorry of u. Are you telling me you don't know why magneto from first class is a better character than Killmonger? okay. Cheers
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Sept 7, 2018 9:05:20 GMT
Because comic book movies weren't taken seriously, at least I the eyes of the folks running the Oscars. Spider-Man 2 was a film that even the great late Roger Ebert pushed for an Oscar nomination. In the 2000's comic based films were only looked at as mostly just popcorn block buster films (well granted most of them were) and up till 2007, with a few exceptions, weren't taken seriously. The Dark Knight changed that. Nolan showed the world that comic book movies could tell compelling stories that didn't rely on CGI heavy effects and over the top action. That's why that film got the biggest push that year, but it wasn't enough to change their prejudice against the genre. Sure they gave ledger the Oscar and gave the film some technical stuff. But no best picture or director. 2008 was the year Nolan was robbed of an Oscar. Now thanks to Logan, it's looking like we're seeing a major change in the Oscars. Nolan also saw X-Men 1 in cinema and like everyone, came to that conclusion that comic movies could be serious and compelling without heavy cgi. though not everyone if you knew xmen already. reason we say xmen and his movies are as grounded as you can be. you should thank X-Men 1 like Nolan did. www.cosmicbooknews.com/content/hugh-jackman-compares-bryan-singer-x-men-christopher-nolan-batmanNolan schools us on xmen 1. "Few people kind of credit Bryan for what he deserves credit for, which is really inventing that genre. There really wasn't a superhero genre before X-Men came out. And funny enough, I remember catching a plan while we were promoting The Prestige with Chris Nolan. He said to me he always had the Batman in his mind even way back before 2000; he had the version of Batman that he ended up making, in his head. And he said 'when I went into the cinema, and I saw X-Men' he was like 'damn, that's my idea.' The idea that you can really delve into the emotional life to the vulnerabilities of these characters and that as well as being fantastical and amazing and action is what's going to hold people and make them care. That's what Bryan did. He had a lot of courage to do that."
Infact I already posted the video but I will do so again, the opening of xmen 1 changed comic books forever as a story telling drama format since the movie began like a play out from schindler's list reason I said, if it is based on artistic merit. xmen 1, first class and batman begins will have more chance than any mcu colourful cartoon cgi heavy movie. facts are facts Just because he was inspired by X-Men, doesn't mean I have to suck it's dick. Like Superman, I'll acknowledge it's contribution but don't expect me to say nice things about it. The Dark Knight IS the superior film.
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Post by Vassaggo on Sept 7, 2018 9:06:49 GMT
Yes it is opinions. The judgement on whether a piece of art is good, bad, high quality, low quality, etc is OPINIONS. Just because they work in the field doesn't make their Opinions better than yours. They maybe able to articulate their opinions better than you, but even that judging of their articulation is opinion. God could come down today. Prove his Omnipotence and Omniscience. The basis of the Universe working is based on what he says is correct. To prove him wrong would undo all existences. And if he says Black Panther is the best movie every produced you could still disagree with your opinion. The Universe would cease to exist because he can't be correct in that situation. When it comes to the consumption of art only the consumers opinion is valid. No one elses. let me make it simple. 1. go to Harvard film school. submit the script of black panther, first class and batman begins. black panther will get the lowest score. 2. go to Lucas light , sound and magic. submit the technical categories of black panther, first class and batman begins, black panther will get the lowest score for CGI and Cinematography. 3. go to a prestigious drama school. show acting coaches the performances of Michael B Jordan, Michael Fassbinder and Liam Nesson. Michael b Jordan will get the lowest score for acting so one dimensional and easily falling into stereotypes...ie angry black man. its all opinions but truthful collective opinions based on real and honest analysis of what we expect from good film making wins. Again even if I stipulated what your opinion on their opinion is correct then guess what it doesn't matter. Why do you feel to validate your opinions? They are your opinions. Just trust your opinions are correct. I don't know if you know this, but a lot of the time it comes off that you are insecure about your on thoughts. It seems that you don't think your opinions are enough. You have to bring in actors, actresses, film makers and hell film students opinions to back up your own.
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Post by summers8 on Sept 7, 2018 9:24:45 GMT
Nolan also saw X-Men 1 in cinema and like everyone, came to that conclusion that comic movies could be serious and compelling without heavy cgi. though not everyone if you knew xmen already. reason we say xmen and his movies are as grounded as you can be. you should thank X-Men 1 like Nolan did. www.cosmicbooknews.com/content/hugh-jackman-compares-bryan-singer-x-men-christopher-nolan-batmanNolan schools us on xmen 1. "Few people kind of credit Bryan for what he deserves credit for, which is really inventing that genre. There really wasn't a superhero genre before X-Men came out. And funny enough, I remember catching a plan while we were promoting The Prestige with Chris Nolan. He said to me he always had the Batman in his mind even way back before 2000; he had the version of Batman that he ended up making, in his head. And he said 'when I went into the cinema, and I saw X-Men' he was like 'damn, that's my idea.' The idea that you can really delve into the emotional life to the vulnerabilities of these characters and that as well as being fantastical and amazing and action is what's going to hold people and make them care. That's what Bryan did. He had a lot of courage to do that."
Infact I already posted the video but I will do so again, the opening of xmen 1 changed comic books forever as a story telling drama format since the movie began like a play out from schindler's list reason I said, if it is based on artistic merit. xmen 1, first class and batman begins will have more chance than any mcu colourful cartoon cgi heavy movie. facts are facts Just because he was inspired by X-Men, doesn't mean I have to suck it's dick. Like Superman, I'll acknowledge it's contribution but don't expect me to say nice things about it. The Dark Knight IS the superior film. I never said he had to suck its dick, he does not have to. though he seems to understand xmen more than I can say for some of you that cliam to be fans, reason I always said he will be a good director for xmen better than anything Disney will ever do, but I know the drill with you mcu fans. you purposely like to ignore xmen because your own movies are incompetent and are a joke. you rather pretend only Nolan made serious compelling movies because you cant claim xmen marvel movies as mcu movies. next time you claim comic movies can be serious and compelling don't forget to start with the film that started it all. X-Men 1. stop omitting it because it is NOT AN MCU MOVIE. It started with xmen 1, and there were more highs xmen 2, batman begins, first class, TDKR. DOFP.. what we can say is tdk and logan are the mile stones of the serious and compelling movies.
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Post by Vassaggo on Sept 7, 2018 9:28:19 GMT
Jesus you are taking your opinion rants to an Inception level. You are predicting others opinions based off of your own. There is no such thing as Truth in art. There is only what you believe. Trust me 2 years getting my Art Minor, I had to sit a critique 100's of paintings and sculptures. The first thing they teach you is just that no one's opinion matters other than your own or the person buying the art. Master Painters opinions, Art Critics, etc mean nothing. I've won a few Art Shows in High School and College. Me winning first place vs the 100's of other participants didn't make my drawings or paintings any better than theirs. If you truly think so then it means education and the circle of life is worthless. thankfully they are not. there are steps we do to get better in life. mcu movies are still on the baby step , it is Disney afterall who admitted they make comic films for kids, xmen and dc are in the grown up steps. when I was in school, I can compare two essays I wrote , one with a B or D grade and I can see why I got a D compared to the B. If you are telling me , you cant do the same and actually tell the difference, then I have nothing left to say to you. you mcu fans have become so delusional and erratic, you even ignore the fabric of how the real world works just to defend these Disney toy garbage movies. I feel sorry of u. Are you telling me you don't know why magneto from first class is a better character than Killmonger? okay. Cheers There is a difference between saying this essay is a B or D and this piece of Art is Good or Bad. Grammar for one is a set of agreed upon rules. If you use "There" when you mean "Their" then you are wrong. Grammar is just part of the grading of an Essay. The other part is backing up your main idea with explanation. If your essay is supposed to explain how Medieval Weapons and Armor evolved and you don't back that up with information you will also get points knocked off. When it comes to art their is no grammar. In photo realistic you don't want to see paint strokes although their are great photo realistic paintings you see brush strokes. In photo realistic it's supposed to be realistic, but that's not a hard rule. The painting could look nothing like the subject, but using the techniques of photo realistic and it still works. Even the idea behind the art in the artists mind could be for one thing and no one else agrees with his Idea. And guess what it still can be a good piece of art work. Case in point I won an art show in college with a pen an ink of a Raccoon. It was the second time I used pen and ink and I fucked up every known technique you could use with the media. And it still won. Same goes with Movies. There are Techniques film makers are supposed to use to set up the story, but if they don't use them they still can be good. Clerks by Kevin Smith was shot mainly in a 2 shot with hardly no moving of the camera. It was shot in black and white because they were broke. It was a darling at the Festivals. He broke about every rule to making a good movie. Critics started to assume they used static shots and black and white so it looks like security footage for the Clerks. That Idea never came into his head while making the movie though. In the end you are trying to come up with an objective metric to judge subjective matter. It can't be done. There is no way to come up with a check list on what is Good or Bad. In my opinion I liked Ian McClellan's Magneto 100x better Fastbender's. I could explain my reasons why I feel this way, but my supporting information would just be opinion. The same way you supporting your opinion for the reason you like Fastbender's Magneto better than Killmonger. It doesn't matter.
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Post by Caesium137 on Sept 7, 2018 9:33:02 GMT
It will also be anyone who appreciates quality cinema who will be disgusted with a BP Oscar. I would agree if Oscars actually stood for anything. It has always been a big Hollywood circle jerk. The Academy's opinion means about as much to me as Hobo Jim's who lives on the streets opinion on a good meal. Why should anybody care what other's opinion on Quality Cinema. The Quality of something has fuck all to do what others say. Your opinion is the only one that matters, why must we validate it? Edit: Also I'm sure there will be people who aren't racists or alt-right that bitch about it getting nominated. There will be closeted racists that try to hide the fact the reason they hate, but those 2 I won't care about. There will be the ones that can't hide it and those will be the ones I want to see rant at it. The Oscars contains votes from 7000+ academy members who are all involved with the movie business. To say their collective opinion is worth the same as ''Hobo Jim'' is ludicrous and dishonest. You might not agree with what wins Best Picture, but a majority consensus from experts within the field does not equate to nothing of any merit. And I am glad this award is being scrapped. Black Panther is no where near good enough to be even held in the same breath as other Oscar film calibre nominations.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Sept 7, 2018 9:34:13 GMT
Just because he was inspired by X-Men, doesn't mean I have to suck it's dick. Like Superman, I'll acknowledge it's contribution but don't expect me to say nice things about it. The Dark Knight IS the superior film. I never said he had to suck its dick, he does not have to. though he seems to understand xmen more than I can say for some of you that cliam to be fans, reason I always said he will be a good director for xmen better than anything Disney will ever do, but I know the drill with you mcu fans. you purposely like to ignore xmen because your own movies are incompetent and are a joke. you rather pretend only Nolan made serious compelling movies because you cant claim xmen marvel movies as mcu movies. next time you claim comic movies can be serious and compelling don't forget to start with the film that started it all. X-Men 1. stop omitting it because it is NOT AN MCU MOVIE. It started with xmen 1, and there were more highs xmen 2, batman begins, first class, TDKR. DOFP.. what we can say is tdk and logan are the mile stones of the serious and compelling movies. You are mistaken. I don't hate the X-Men movies. The 2000 film is dated to me like Superman 78 is. Us Nolan fans had to deal with you condescending X-Men fans since 2005 and when The Dark Knight came out, it was all nothing but autistic screeching from you guys. The MCU films are nothing but popcorn films to me. Same with the XCU, save Logan.
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Post by amyghost on Sept 7, 2018 9:46:29 GMT
Clearly someone wants them to start being made for Oscars, or there wouldn't be a push to create a special category to nominate them. So it would seem that all that critical and box office success just isn't enough without that cherry.
It has more to do with the show's ratings decline than anything else. I doubt if adding this category would draw in that many more viewers.
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Post by Vassaggo on Sept 7, 2018 9:47:02 GMT
I would agree if Oscars actually stood for anything. It has always been a big Hollywood circle jerk. The Academy's opinion means about as much to me as Hobo Jim's who lives on the streets opinion on a good meal. Why should anybody care what other's opinion on Quality Cinema. The Quality of something has fuck all to do what others say. Your opinion is the only one that matters, why must we validate it? Edit: Also I'm sure there will be people who aren't racists or alt-right that bitch about it getting nominated. There will be closeted racists that try to hide the fact the reason they hate, but those 2 I won't care about. There will be the ones that can't hide it and those will be the ones I want to see rant at it. The Oscars contains votes from 7000+ academy members who are all involved with the movie business. To say their collective opinion is worth the same as ''Hobo Jim'' is ludicrous and dishonest. You might not agree with what wins Best Picture, but a majority consensus from experts within the field does not equate to nothing of any merit. And I am glad this award is being scrapped. Black Panther is no where near good enough to be even held in the same breath as other Oscar film calibre nominations. I don't think the category should've been created. I understand why they wanted to with the massive ratings drops especially in their prime demographic. I don't think Black Panther should be nominated for best picture. I don't really care one way or the other to be honest. I have my opinion on the movie and that's what counts. And no I don't think their Collective Opinion is any better or worse than "hobo jims." Just because someone works in an industry it doesn't mean their individual or collective opinion on art is better or worse than any others. Now if they work in an industry and they are grading objective matter then yes their input would be important. This is not the case. 7 billion people on the planet could say Howard the Duck is a bad movie. 1 person could say it was a good movie. That 1 person's opinion is no less or more valuable than the other 7 billion.
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Post by summers8 on Sept 7, 2018 10:07:42 GMT
I never said he had to suck its dick, he does not have to. though he seems to understand xmen more than I can say for some of you that cliam to be fans, reason I always said he will be a good director for xmen better than anything Disney will ever do, but I know the drill with you mcu fans. you purposely like to ignore xmen because your own movies are incompetent and are a joke. you rather pretend only Nolan made serious compelling movies because you cant claim xmen marvel movies as mcu movies. next time you claim comic movies can be serious and compelling don't forget to start with the film that started it all. X-Men 1. stop omitting it because it is NOT AN MCU MOVIE. It started with xmen 1, and there were more highs xmen 2, batman begins, first class, TDKR. DOFP.. what we can say is tdk and logan are the mile stones of the serious and compelling movies. You are mistaken. I don't hate the X-Men movies. The 2000 film is dated to me like Superman 78 is. Us Nolan fans had to deal with you condescending X-Men fans since 2005 and when The Dark Knight came out, it was all nothing but autistic screeching from you guys. The MCU films are nothing but popcorn films to me. Same with the XCU, save Logan. you are not a nolan fan. you just claim to be one. most Nolan fans are xmen fans and vice versa because we like the drama, adult content and our styles are similar. that is what makes us fans. Also general comic fans loved grounded serious comic movies it did not matter if it was marvel or DC. let me break it down for a 50/50 split Logan = tdk DOFP/FC =TDKR X2=Batman Begins x-men 1 =batman 89 you have an equal match of the best both.. you are an mcu fan pretending to be a nolan fan since you can not accept the facts that it was xmen 1 that stated it all like Nolan did himself, which is a pattern for mcu fans. some Nolan fans admit it was xmen 1 and respect that because many of them are grown up, don't lie and not petty like you mcu fans that hate xmen movies because they make your movies the joke they are. lol..us Nolan fans, yeah people like that used to like marvel and dc as long as they had some level of intellect . See how you mcu fans operate? . sorry but the Nolan camp did not need to deal with xmen camp because many xmen fans are Nolan fans. try harder next time and when you do, don't omit facts it was xmen 1 that started it all or do omit facts, like the mcu fanatic you truly are.
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Post by summers8 on Sept 7, 2018 10:12:06 GMT
speaking of fans. remember when you could like both marvel and DC. notice most superman fans are Spider-Man fans.
superman 1 and 2 is similar to Spider-Man 1 and 2. in the sense it has 50/50 heavy story telling and great visual.
xmen movies and the batman movies including Nolan and burton are similar because they are grounded and more darker and more drama driven.
so marvel and DC were actually even matched in style of films before mcu Disney came along and made it worse.
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Post by summers8 on Sept 7, 2018 10:17:20 GMT
speaking of fans. remember when you could like both marvel and DC. notice most superman fans are Spider-Man fans. superman 1 and 2 is similar to Spider-Man 1 and 2. in the sense it has 50/50 heavy story telling and great visuals to support the story. xmen movies and the batman movies including Nolan and burton are similar because they are grounded, more darker and more drama driven. so marvel and DC were actually even matched in style of films because mcu Disney came along and made it worse. it is general comic fans loss that there are no more xmen movies, Nolan movies and sam raimi Spider-Man movies.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Sept 7, 2018 10:19:21 GMT
You are mistaken. I don't hate the X-Men movies. The 2000 film is dated to me like Superman 78 is. Us Nolan fans had to deal with you condescending X-Men fans since 2005 and when The Dark Knight came out, it was all nothing but autistic screeching from you guys. The MCU films are nothing but popcorn films to me. Same with the XCU, save Logan. you are not a nolan fan. you just claim to be one. most Nolan fans are xmen fans and vice versa because we like the drama, adult content and our styles are similar. that is what makes us fans. Also general comic fans loved grounded serious comic movies it did not matter if it was marvel or DC. let me break it down for a 50/50 split Logan = tdk DOFP/FC =TDKR X2=Batman Begins x-men 1 =batman 89 you have an equal match of the best both.. you are an mcu fan pretending to be a nolan fan since you can not accept the facts that it was xmen 1 that stated it all like Nolan did himself, which is a pattern for mcu fans. some Nolan fans admit it was xmen 1 and respect that because many of them are grown up, don't lie and not petty like you mcu fans that hate xmen movies because they make your movies the joke they are. lol..us Nolan fans, yeah people like that used to like marvel and dc as long as they had some level of intellect . See how you mcu fans operate? . sorry but the Nolan camp did not need to deal with xmen camp because many xmen fans are Nolan fans. try harder next time and when you do, don't omit facts it was xmen 1 that started it all or do omit facts, like the mcu fanatic you truly are. Lmao you're adorable
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Post by charzhino on Sept 7, 2018 10:26:28 GMT
Those people clinging to the hope that Black Panther would get a best picture nom..yeah dream on. Not even race politics would get black panther a best pic nom because its NOT THAT GOOD of a movie.
People argued that moonlight only won because it was about homosexuality featuring a black cast. But its actually a gripping drama with great performances and atleast deserved to be in the 10 nominated positions. Its clear that it was Oscar worthy. Black panther is not worthy. It doesnt dig deep into the politics or themes the story is trying to convey. The only "deep" scene is the round table meeting scene where the elders are discussing what should be done with Killmonger. The rest of the film is filled with junk CGI fights and simple back and forth between bad guys and good guys.
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Post by summers8 on Sept 7, 2018 10:37:57 GMT
you are not a nolan fan. you just claim to be one. most Nolan fans are xmen fans and vice versa because we like the drama, adult content and our styles are similar. that is what makes us fans. Also general comic fans loved grounded serious comic movies it did not matter if it was marvel or DC. let me break it down for a 50/50 split Logan = tdk DOFP/FC =TDKR X2=Batman Begins x-men 1 =batman 89 you have an equal match of the best both.. you are an mcu fan pretending to be a nolan fan since you can not accept the facts that it was xmen 1 that stated it all like Nolan did himself, which is a pattern for mcu fans. some Nolan fans admit it was xmen 1 and respect that because many of them are grown up, don't lie and not petty like you mcu fans that hate xmen movies because they make your movies the joke they are. lol..us Nolan fans, yeah people like that used to like marvel and dc as long as they had some level of intellect . See how you mcu fans operate? . sorry but the Nolan camp did not need to deal with xmen camp because many xmen fans are Nolan fans. try harder next time and when you do, don't omit facts it was xmen 1 that started it all or do omit facts, like the mcu fanatic you truly are. Lmao you're adorable so um, what movie changed the idea superhero films can be serious and compelling. grounded without too much CGI everything MCU is against? reason mcu xmen will fail like batman and robin? true Nolan fans like me know the answer because the genre is bigger than the director or the company.marvel or dc. believe me ,it was brutal of all comic fans after 1997 with batman and robin. reason blade and xmen 1 are so important.
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