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Post by summers8 on Sept 7, 2018 10:43:37 GMT
Those people clinging to the hope that Black Panther would get a best picture nom..yeah dream on. Not even race politics would get black panther a best pic nom because its NOT THAT GOOD of a movie. People argued that moonlight only won because it was about homosexuality featuring a black cast. But its actually a gripping drama with great performances and atleast deserved to be in the 10 nominated positions. Its clear that it was Oscar worthy. Black panther is not worthy. It doesnt dig deep into the politics or themes the story is trying to convey. The only "deep" scene is the round table meeting scene where the elders are discussing what should be done with Killmonger. The rest of the film is filled with junk CGI fights and simple back and forth between bad guys and good guys. True but Disney should have just still campaigned normally like wonder woman and WB did, they disgraced themselves by trying to create a new category to ensure the award recognition. |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Sept 7, 2018 10:54:30 GMT
Lmao you're adorable  so um, what movie changed the idea superhero films can be serious and compelling. grounded without too much CGI everything MCU is against? reason mcu xmen will fail like batman and robin? true Nolan fans like me know the answer because the genre is bigger than the director or the company.marvel or dc. believe me ,it was brutal of all comic fans after 1997 with batman and robin. reason blade and xmen 1 are so important. Hey you're the one who got triggered when I said Nolan movies are superior. It's true, try watching the 2000 X-Men movie. It's dated, especially with the god awful CGI. Batman Begins holds up better. X2 is a better film than X1. |
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Post by Caesium137 on Sept 7, 2018 11:10:00 GMT
And no I don't think their Collective Opinion is any better or worse than "hobo jims." Just because someone works in an industry it doesn't mean their individual or collective opinion on art is better or worse than any others. Now if they work in an industry and they are grading objective matter then yes their input would be important. This is not the case. 7 billion people on the planet could say Howard the Duck is a bad movie. 1 person could say it was a good movie. That 1 person's opinion is no less or more valuable than the other 7 billion. Working in an industry exposes you to craft and technique that layman wont be aware of, so that bolded statement is inaccurate on your part. 1 person against 7 billion. The 1 person must possess extraordinary reasoning to show why Howard the Duck is a good movie especially if he's going against 7 billion detractors. As other posters have mentioned there are technical qualities in writing a good script and directing a good film, so movies being completely subjective is a myth I'm afraid. These are not objective and when put up against something inferior you can deduce shortcomings in the form of pacing, plot, character, direction, etc. Unless someone is able to write a qualitative analysis on why Howard the Duck is better than the Godfather, then movie is not 100% subjective. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Sept 7, 2018 11:31:02 GMT
Those people clinging to the hope that Black Panther would get a best picture nom..yeah dream on. Not even race politics would get black panther a best pic nom because its NOT THAT GOOD of a movie. People argued that moonlight only won because it was about homosexuality featuring a black cast. But its actually a gripping drama with great performances and atleast deserved to be in the 10 nominated positions. Its clear that it was Oscar worthy. Black panther is not worthy. It doesnt dig deep into the politics or themes the story is trying to convey. The only "deep" scene is the round table meeting scene where the elders are discussing what should be done with Killmonger. The rest of the film is filled with junk CGI fights and simple back and forth between bad guys and good guys. True but Disney should have just still campaigned normally like wonder woman and WB did, they disgraced themselves by trying to create a new category to ensure the award recognition. They also snagged KATHLEEN KENNEDY a lifetime achievement award for happening to be in the room when a bunch of other great directors and creators happened to make some great movies she had absolutely nothing to do with, so... they're on a roll? |
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Post by summers8 on Sept 7, 2018 11:32:38 GMT
Hey you're the one who got triggered when I said Nolan movies are superior. It's true, try watching the 2000 X-Men movie. It's dated, especially with the god awful CGI. Batman Begins holds up better. X2 is a better film than X1. LOL..So the dated xmen 1 movie was still talked about in the 2010s highly by comic fans and Nolan himself not for the CGI but for the compelling drama movie it was. as Nolan said, it was daring to open a comic film in Nazi camps. to call that dated and think opening movies with explosions and jokes today is timely is laughable. I think you mcu fans get triggered when we true Nolan and DC fans who are also xmen fans tell you marvel has good quality movies , they are not just from the mcu disney. Also X-Men 1, did not have god awful cgi. if it was, that would have been a major criticism back in 2000 but it was not, to the contrary the cgi was praised because Singer went for the practical than the cartoonish cgi look like we see in age of ultron or GOTG. reason many of the fight scenes were gritty, brash and more realistic. here is the proof. want more proof. this classic scene of when we see Mystique for the first-time in her true form. still hold ups. you want to name an xmen movie with bad cgi? xmen origins and that was fairly criticised by fans and critics.saying xmen 1 had bad cgi is just once again the mcu narrative talk. lie and attack.. that must be triggering. what is with with you mcu fans. first you like about being xmen fans, then you lie you are Nolan fans. don't you see the contradiction and how easy you get BUSTEDDDDD? it is about the content because the real fans know the in and out of the movies. You don't. so um, what movie birthed serious compelling comic movies? lol. mcu fans cant answer the simple question. simple for comic marvel/DCfans and Nolan fans = x-men 1.only mcu fans can't admit that. yawn. |
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Post by summers8 on Sept 7, 2018 11:35:55 GMT
True but Disney should have just still campaigned normally like wonder woman and WB did, they disgraced themselves by trying to create a new category to ensure the award recognition. They also snagged KATHLEEN KENNEDY a lifetime achievement award for happening to be in the room when a bunch of other great directors and creators happened to make some great movies she had absolutely nothing to do with, so... they're on a roll? hahahaha..yeah, I had about the KATHLEEN KENNEDY one too. this woman deeply hurt star wars and Disney buys her an award to mellow the drama. funny, despite all this things..mcu fans thinks their bad movies getting bizarre good reviews for being funny is normal? |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Sept 7, 2018 11:45:38 GMT
Hey you're the one who got triggered when I said Nolan movies are superior. It's true, try watching the 2000 X-Men movie. It's dated, especially with the god awful CGI. Batman Begins holds up better. X2 is a better film than X1. LOL..So the dated xmen 1 movie was still talked about in the 2010s highly by comic fans and Nolan himself not for the CGI but for the compelling drama movie it was. as Nolan said, it was daring to open a comic film in Nazi camps. to call that dated and think opening movies with explosions and jokes today is timely is laughable. I think you mcu fans get triggered when we true Nolan and DC fans who are also xmen fans tell you marvel has good quality movies , they are not just from the mcu disney. Also X-Men 1, did not have god awful cgi. if it was, that would have been a major criticism back in 2000 but it was not, to the contrary the cgi was praised because Singer went for the practical than the cartoonish cgi look like we see in age of ultron or GOTG. reason many of the fight scenes were gritty, brash and more realistic. here is the proof. want more proof. this classic scene of when we see Mystique for the first-time in her true form. still hold ups. you want to name an xmen movie with bad cgi? xmen origins and that was fairly criticised by fans and critics.saying xmen 1 had bad cgi is just once again the mcu narrative talk. lie and attack.. that must be triggering. what is with with you mcu fans. first you like about being xmen fans, then you lie you are Nolan fans. don't you see the contradiction and how easy you get BUSTEDDDDD? it is about the content because the real fans know the in and out of the movies. You don't. so um, what movie birthed serious compelling comic movies? lol. mcu fans cant answer the simple question. simple for comic marvel/DCfans and Nolan fans = x-men 1.only mcu fans can't admit that. yawn. You keep repeating the same thing, but it doesn't change the fact that Nolan won. Accept him into your heart, summer. Nolan loves you. Join us at the church of Nolan! You'll get more than amazing comic book movies, you'll get amazing films in general. Just last year he gave us the gift that was Dunkirk. |
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Post by summers8 on Sept 7, 2018 12:00:53 GMT
LOL..So the dated xmen 1 movie was still talked about in the 2010s highly by comic fans and Nolan himself not for the CGI but for the compelling drama movie it was. as Nolan said, it was daring to open a comic film in Nazi camps. to call that dated and think opening movies with explosions and jokes today is timely is laughable. I think you mcu fans get triggered when we true Nolan and DC fans who are also xmen fans tell you marvel has good quality movies , they are not just from the mcu disney. Also X-Men 1, did not have god awful cgi. if it was, that would have been a major criticism back in 2000 but it was not, to the contrary the cgi was praised because Singer went for the practical than the cartoonish cgi look like we see in age of ultron or GOTG. reason many of the fight scenes were gritty, brash and more realistic. here is the proof. want more proof. this classic scene of when we see Mystique for the first-time in her true form. still hold ups. you want to name an xmen movie with bad cgi? xmen origins and that was fairly criticised by fans and critics.saying xmen 1 had bad cgi is just once again the mcu narrative talk. lie and attack.. that must be triggering. what is with with you mcu fans. first you like about being xmen fans, then you lie you are Nolan fans. don't you see the contradiction and how easy you get BUSTEDDDDD? it is about the content because the real fans know the in and out of the movies. You don't. so um, what movie birthed serious compelling comic movies? lol. mcu fans cant answer the simple question. simple for comic marvel/DCfans and Nolan fans = x-men 1.only mcu fans can't admit that. yawn. You keep repeating the same thing, but it doesn't change the fact that Nolan won. Accept him into your heart, summer. Nolan loves you. Join us at the church of Nolan! You'll get more than amazing comic book movies, you'll get amazing films in general. Just last year he gave us the gift that was Dunkirk. fake Nolan fans.....I like Nolan, he is a talented director but even he has has faults so does Spielberg, Cameron, Scorsese, etc. that is what makes me us real fans of directors because I don't treat anyone like a cult god, so nope I wont be joining you because fans are not cult church like. those are people that like something for superficial reasons.... also reason I am a true xmen/DC fan because I don't give xmen origins, X3, or apocalypse a pass. pls stop embarrassing yourself by claiming to be a Nolan fan or a comic fan or a fan of real film making. your credibly was lost when you failed to admit simple facts. |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Sept 7, 2018 12:15:46 GMT
You keep repeating the same thing, but it doesn't change the fact that Nolan won. Accept him into your heart, summer. Nolan loves you. Join us at the church of Nolan! You'll get more than amazing comic book movies, you'll get amazing films in general. Just last year he gave us the gift that was Dunkirk. fake Nolan fans.....I like Nolan, he is a talented director but even he has has faults so does Spielberg, Cameron, Scorsese, etc. that is what makes me us real fans of directors because I don't treat anyone like a cult god, so nope I wont be joining you because fans are not cult church like. those are people that like something for superficial reasons.... also reason I am a true xmen/DC fan because I don't give xmen origins, X3, or apocalypse a pass. pls stop embarrassing yourself by claiming to be a Nolan fan or a comic fan or a fan of real film making. your credibly was lost when you failed to admit simple facts. Shhhh it's okay my friend. We true Nolan fans have let Christopher Nolan into our hearts and souls. He's our Senpai, our God. You let anger and hatred into your heart, you let the evil consume you, but it's okay! There's still hope for you. Let us "Fake" Nolan fans heal you. Let me help you enjoy films like The Dark Knight Trilogy, Momento,Insomnia, The Prestige, Inception,Interstellar, Dunkirk and even Following! Join us over at the church of Nolan before Kathleen Kennedy corrupts you and turns you into another Andre Cedono! You need saving! |
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Post by Vassaggo on Sept 7, 2018 12:38:51 GMT
And no I don't think their Collective Opinion is any better or worse than "hobo jims." Just because someone works in an industry it doesn't mean their individual or collective opinion on art is better or worse than any others. Now if they work in an industry and they are grading objective matter then yes their input would be important. This is not the case. 7 billion people on the planet could say Howard the Duck is a bad movie. 1 person could say it was a good movie. That 1 person's opinion is no less or more valuable than the other 7 billion. Working in an industry exposes you to craft and technique that layman wont be aware of, so that bolded statement is inaccurate on your part. 1 person against 7 billion. The 1 person must possess extraordinary reasoning to show why Howard the Duck is a good movie especially if he's going against 7 billion detractors. As other posters have mentioned there are technical qualities in writing a good script and directing a good film, so movies being completely subjective is a myth I'm afraid. These are not objective and when put up against something inferior you can deduce shortcomings in the form of pacing, plot, character, direction, etc. Unless someone is able to write a qualitative analysis on why Howard the Duck is better than the Godfather, then movie is not 100% subjective. I am sorry, but working in the industry may give you insight, but their opinion of a movie being good or bad is just an opinion. Even if you know every written and unwritten rule there is to making movies. This may go a long way to helping them explain their opinion though. I don't have to know how a gourmet burger is made to know I like or dislike it. I don't have to know why an artist chose the paintings compositional layout, brush stroke technique, color pallet, or balance between light and shadows to like a painting or consider it good. Being in the industry could in certain situations be detrimental when forming their opinion. Their overall opinion could be tainted because they know how the sausage is made. Instead of enjoying it as a whole piece of art they could get hung up on a bad scene, a bit of technical gaffe, etc. I think where I differ from you on this is Good and Bad are qualifiers that are separate from the making of art. Someone could intentionally throw out every technical quality in writing and directing, and people can still think it's a great film Those technical qualities are just opinions that for the most part people agree on. In college I watched a 30min movie short of a man sitting in a chair out of focus, in a poorly lit room with a wired naked light bulb. The light bulb flickered randomly the whole time. Making that buzz lights sometimes emits. In the end just before fading to black a very light grey word appears on the screen. You almost couldn't read it. It said Depression. We had to discuss it for an 1hr. How it was shot, why was he out of focus and off to the side. What were the nicknacks in the window sill? To some this movie was groundbreaking and great to others it was trash. In the end in my opinion nobodies opinion is important only your own. This means everybody's. |
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Post by blockbusted on Sept 7, 2018 12:44:55 GMT
Working in an industry exposes you to craft and technique that layman wont be aware of, so that bolded statement is inaccurate on your part. 1 person against 7 billion. The 1 person must possess extraordinary reasoning to show why Howard the Duck is a good movie especially if he's going against 7 billion detractors. As other posters have mentioned there are technical qualities in writing a good script and directing a good film, so movies being completely subjective is a myth I'm afraid. These are not objective and when put up against something inferior you can deduce shortcomings in the form of pacing, plot, character, direction, etc. Unless someone is able to write a qualitative analysis on why Howard the Duck is better than the Godfather, then movie is not 100% subjective. I am sorry, but working in the industry may give you insight, but their opinion of a movie being good or bad is just an opinion. Even if you know every written and unwritten rule there is to making movies. This may go a long way to helping them explain their opinion though. I don't have to know how a gourmet burger is made to know I like or dislike it. I don't have to know why an artist chose the paintings compositional layout, brush stroke technique, color pallet, or balance between light and shadows to like a painting or consider it good. Being in the industry could in certain situations be detrimental when forming their opinion. Their overall opinion could be tainted because they know how the sausage is made. Instead of enjoying it as a whole piece of art they could get hung up on a bad scene, a bit of technical gaffe, etc. I think where I differ from you on this is Good and Bad are qualifiers that are separate from the making of art. Someone could intentionally throw out every technical quality in writing and directing, and people can still think it's a great film Those technical qualities are just opinions that for the most part people agree on. In college I watched a 30min movie short of a man sitting in a chair out of focus, in a poorly lit room with a wired naked light bulb. The light bulb flickered randomly the whole time. Making that buzz lights sometimes emits. In the end just before fading to black a very light grey word appears on the screen. You almost couldn't read it. It said Depression. We had to discuss it for an 1hr. How it was shot, why was he out of focus and off to the side. What were the nicknacks in the window sill? To some this movie was groundbreaking and great to others it was trash. In the end in my opinion nobodies opinion is important only your own. This means everybody's. Dude, don’t bother with summers8. He thinks smoking is harmless and ‘Twilight’ series is better than MCU because the former deals with a teenage girl getting pregnant. |
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Sept 7, 2018 16:46:26 GMT
Those people clinging to the hope that Black Panther would get a best picture nom..yeah dream on. Not even race politics would get black panther a best pic nom because its NOT THAT GOOD of a movie. People argued that moonlight only won because it was about homosexuality featuring a black cast. But its actually a gripping drama with great performances and atleast deserved to be in the 10 nominated positions. Its clear that it was Oscar worthy. Black panther is not worthy. It doesnt dig deep into the politics or themes the story is trying to convey. The only "deep" scene is the round table meeting scene where the elders are discussing what should be done with Killmonger. The rest of the film is filled with junk CGI fights and simple back and forth between bad guys and good guys. Reviews and box office can back up those claims that Black Panther is a GOOD movie. And why shouldn't it be? The past couple of years movies outside the Academy's comfort zone have been nominated, like Mad Max: Fury Road, Get Out, and The Shape of Water just to name a few (and The Shape of Water recently won). |
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Post by blockbusted on Sept 7, 2018 16:59:32 GMT
Those people clinging to the hope that Black Panther would get a best picture nom..yeah dream on. Not even race politics would get black panther a best pic nom because its NOT THAT GOOD of a movie. People argued that moonlight only won because it was about homosexuality featuring a black cast. But its actually a gripping drama with great performances and atleast deserved to be in the 10 nominated positions. Its clear that it was Oscar worthy. Black panther is not worthy. It doesnt dig deep into the politics or themes the story is trying to convey. The only "deep" scene is the round table meeting scene where the elders are discussing what should be done with Killmonger. The rest of the film is filled with junk CGI fights and simple back and forth between bad guys and good guys. Reviews and box office can back up those claims that Black Panther is a GOOD movie. And why shouldn't it be? The past couple of years movies outside the Academy's comfort zone have been nominated, like Mad Max: Fury Road, Get Out, and The Shape of Water just to name a few (and The Shape of Water recently won). But they’re all dark and gritty, so they’re all better than MCU!!! Hee hee hee... |
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Sept 10, 2018 21:08:14 GMT
And so it begins.
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Post by blockbusted on Sept 11, 2018 0:52:06 GMT
Give Ludwig Goransson Best Original Score! |
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Sept 11, 2018 3:07:12 GMT
Give Ludwig Goransson Best Original Score! He should absolutely win. And it should also win for Costume Design, Hair and Makeup, and Original Song. |
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Post by darkpast on Sept 11, 2018 3:30:10 GMT
the one thing Disney can not buy |
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