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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2017 12:58:11 GMT
I'm talking about in movies like the original series, DoFP, and Apocalypse (not FC, where they are clearly friends).
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Post by miike80 on Oct 17, 2017 13:47:26 GMT
I have a feeling that they respected each other, but they weren't exactly friends.
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Post by charzhino on Oct 17, 2017 14:02:21 GMT
They are still friends I think. Xavier has a control freak nature about him and wants to take in runaway/cast off/dangerous Mutants as his personal projects to make them understand and use their powers for good. The biggest challenge this has presented is Magneto. He has not lost hope in reformimg him and a big reason I think is because they have a strong personal bond. In the original trilogy, Xavier goes to see Magnus in the plastic prison regularly and plays chess. In X3 after Xavier dies, Magneto snaps at Pyro for mocking Charles showing there is great respect between the 2 but also a solid friendship. And of course they call each other, "old friend" regularly.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2017 18:59:18 GMT
I think so. Xavier never gave up on Eric. And Eric was definately upset when Charles "died" in X3.
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 17, 2017 20:07:06 GMT
In the new movies, not really. They barely knew each other as FC is over the course of just a short while. Then Erik cripples Charles and becomes a terrorist and for whatever reason Xavier treats him like some old friend he's known his whole life.
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Post by charzhino on Oct 17, 2017 20:36:47 GMT
In the new movies, not really. They barely knew each other as FC is over the course of just a short while. Then Erik cripples Charles and becomes a terrorist and for whatever reason Xavier treats him like some old friend he's known his whole life. He saw his deepest subconscious experience that even Erik didnt know he had. He knows him better than anyone.
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 17, 2017 22:36:02 GMT
In the new movies, not really. They barely knew each other as FC is over the course of just a short while. Then Erik cripples Charles and becomes a terrorist and for whatever reason Xavier treats him like some old friend he's known his whole life. He saw his deepest subconscious experience that even Erik didnt know he had. He knows him better than anyone. Looking into a guy's mind doesn't mean you really know him or understand him. It just means you think you do, without real lengthy experience to back it up. Xavier ASSUMES he knows Erik when he doesn't. If they'd been lifelong friends like Steve and Bucky, then it'd be believable.
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Post by charzhino on Oct 18, 2017 10:45:09 GMT
Looking into a guy's mind doesn't mean you really know him or understand him. Id argue it does, if you can feel their deepest strong emotion, then thats worth a lot. Steve and Sam hardly know each other yet Cap trusts him with his life in Winter Soldier.
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 18, 2017 10:51:11 GMT
Looking into a guy's mind doesn't mean you really know him or understand him. Id argue it does, if you can feel their deepest strong emotion, then thats worth a lot. Knowing an emotion doesn't mean you know a person. That takes time and effort. It's like saying you know a book by reading a few pages. He didn't have much of a choice in allies in WS.
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Post by ThatGuy on Oct 18, 2017 19:38:01 GMT
Looking into a guy's mind doesn't mean you really know him or understand him. Id argue it does, if you can feel their deepest strong emotion, then thats worth a lot. Steve and Sam hardly know each other yet Cap trusts him with his life in Winter Soldier. Steve and Sam aren't portrayed as being close friends like Xavier and Erik. Steve and Sam are more like police partners. They got each others back.
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Post by ThatGuy on Oct 18, 2017 19:42:53 GMT
I'm talking about in movies like the original series, DoFP, and Apocalypse (not FC, where they are clearly friends). In the original series, they are more like respected colleagues that use to be friends. In the newer movies, they are more like ex-lovers. Kinda like the Joker (Magneto) and Harley Quinn (Xavier). Magneto uses and manipulates everyone around him to get his way and them on his side. Including Xavier.
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 18, 2017 19:51:18 GMT
I'm talking about in movies like the original series, DoFP, and Apocalypse (not FC, where they are clearly friends). In the original series, they are more like respected colleagues that use to be friends. In the newer movies, they are more like ex-lovers. Kinda like the Joker (Magneto) and Harley Quinn (Xavier). Magneto uses and manipulates everyone around him to get his way and them on his side. Including Xavier. And Xavier lets him get away with it, time and time again.
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Post by charzhino on Oct 18, 2017 19:56:30 GMT
In the original series, they are more like respected colleagues that use to be friends. In the newer movies, they are more like ex-lovers. Kinda like the Joker (Magneto) and Harley Quinn (Xavier). Magneto uses and manipulates everyone around him to get his way and them on his side. Including Xavier. And Xavier lets him get away with it, time and time again. Only in Apocalypse it dont make sense to let him go. Every other movie has legit reasons. X1 he is arrested. X2 he escapes before Alkali lake is submerged. FC he can't stop him leaving. DOFP he was right to let him go.
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Post by ThatGuy on Oct 18, 2017 20:12:33 GMT
And Xavier lets him get away with it, time and time again. Only in Apocalypse it dont make sense to let him go. Every other movie has legit reasons. X1 he is arrested. X2 he escapes before Alkali lake is submerged. FC he can't stop him leaving. DOFP he was right to let him go. Was he right to let him go? He attacked the White House and held them all hostage. He could have crushed all those sentinels or had them destroy each other. Nope he attacked the people there and begged Xavier to let him go because he was powerless against him.
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Post by summers8 on Oct 18, 2017 20:29:14 GMT
I'm talking about in movies like the original series, DoFP, and Apocalypse (not FC, where they are clearly friends). In the original series, they are more like respected colleagues that use to be friends. In the newer movies, they are more like ex-lovers. Kinda like the Joker (Magneto) and Harley Quinn (Xavier). Magneto uses and manipulates everyone around him to get his way and them on his side. Including Xavier. You might want to get your facts straight. Joker and Harley are not a correct comparison because Eric and Charles are each other equals and do respect and care for each other despite all their fights and disagreements. neither are willing to bend their personal beliefs for the other. this is one of the key difference between them and joker and harley. If I want to make a correct comparison, I will say Eric and Charles are more like Batman and Catwoman. Harley Quinn is a lost her mind sick fan girl obsessed with a pure psycho evil villain that has no respect for her neither does he care for her, which was one of the problems with the SS movie. Magneto is nothing like the Joker. Xavier is nothing like Quinn.what a bizarre and senseless comparison. is this MCU fans way of trolling again? spare us. Magneto does not manipulate anyone at least not in the long term . see mystique in DOFP. and please if you do give examples. you might want to state what is in the movies because the last person I replied too said things that never happened in the movies.
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Post by summers8 on Oct 18, 2017 20:30:13 GMT
I really do like the Eric and Charles complicated friendship but it has gotten stale and overplayed. NEXT.
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 18, 2017 20:30:43 GMT
And Xavier lets him get away with it, time and time again. Only in Apocalypse it dont make sense to let him go. Every other movie has legit reasons. X1 he is arrested. X2 he escapes before Alkali lake is submerged. FC he can't stop him leaving. DOFP he was right to let him go. DOFP he was not right to let him go. At all. If he'd killed him then and there then X-Men: Apocalypse would've gone a lot easier.
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Post by charzhino on Oct 18, 2017 20:53:40 GMT
Only in Apocalypse it dont make sense to let him go. Every other movie has legit reasons. X1 he is arrested. X2 he escapes before Alkali lake is submerged. FC he can't stop him leaving. DOFP he was right to let him go. Was he right to let him go? He attacked the White House and held them all hostage. He could have crushed all those sentinels or had them destroy each other. Nope he attacked the people there and begged Xavier to let him go because he was powerless against him. DOFP he was not right to let him go. At all. If he'd killed him then and there then X-Men: Apocalypse would've gone a lot easier. Xavier believes in reform thats why he tried to stop Erik killing Shaw in First Class which failed. In DOFP from what Xavier learns with his argument on the plane, that Magneto had his close ally mutants butchered by Trask & his forces and he was wrongly imprisoned in isolation for 10 years! So yeah even though he takes the cabinet hostage and threatens to kill them live on TV, what good is handing Magneto back to human cops gonna do. Hes already been inhumanely treated and having his mutant friends exterminated. Humans will execute him and Xavier is against capital punishment so he cant allow it to happen. He believes Erik learns his lesson as Mistique prevents him from carrying out his plan, which is powweful enough to reform Magneto as it was Mistique who left Charles for him in FC in the first place. And Xavier turns out to be right. Magneto exhiles himself to a rural Polish town and lives in peace.
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Post by ThatGuy on Oct 18, 2017 20:57:27 GMT
In the original series, they are more like respected colleagues that use to be friends. In the newer movies, they are more like ex-lovers. Kinda like the Joker (Magneto) and Harley Quinn (Xavier). Magneto uses and manipulates everyone around him to get his way and them on his side. Including Xavier. You might want to get your facts straight. Joker and Harley are not a correct comparison because Eric and Charles are each other equals and do respect and care for each other despite all their fights and disagreements. neither are willing to bend their personal beliefs for the other. this is one of the key difference between them and joker and harley. If I want to make a correct comparison, I will say Eric and Charles are more like Batman and Catwoman. Harley Quinn is a lost her mind sick fan girl obsessed with a pure psycho evil villain that has no respect for her neither does he care for her, which was one of the problems with the SS movie.Magneto is nothing like the Joker. Xavier is nothing like Quinn.what a bizarre and senseless comparison. is this MCU fans way of trolling again? spare us. Magneto does not manipulate anyone at least not in the long term . see mystique in DOFP. and please if you do give examples. you might want to state what is in the movies because the last person I replied too said things that never happened in the movies. Proving my point there you know. The reason they don't look the same is surface. The Joker and Harley are a straight forward couple. Watch DoFP again for a Joker style manipulation of Xavier in the jet scene when they are going to Paris. Xavier rightfully upset with Erik is beaten down verbally by Erik while he shows force with his powers. Xavier then cows to him later. They did the same thing in First Class while, again, playing chest. Erik shows Xavier his face and Xavier backs down like the good Harley he is. It's something they do to make Magneto a credible villain throughout the movie until they need Xavier to be right at the end of the movie and Erik goes away with his tail between his legs. As a matter of fact, they did it in all 3 of the "prequels". Magneto manipulated an entire church full of mutants in X3. Dark Phoenix in X3. Pyro in X2. He was even more Joker/Harley to Mystique in X3. The Hellfire Club in First Class. Was still working on Mystique in DoFP. He did something to Xavier in Apocalypse for Xavier to let him go. Erik should have been a drooling mess in a corner.
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Post by ThatGuy on Oct 18, 2017 20:58:19 GMT
DOFP he was not right to let him go. At all. If he'd killed him then and there then X-Men: Apocalypse would've gone a lot easier. Xavier is non violent and believes in reform. Thats a major part of his character. Hes never going to kill anyone. Then they got Xavier really wrong.
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