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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2017 22:22:17 GMT
It's certainly not the highest RATED superhero movie ever. But it may be the least offensive one.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 2, 2017 22:24:45 GMT
Eh, it's the truth. Donner's Superman and SM2 wouldn't do well today, nor would Logan have gotten its reception if it wasn't for it being Jackman's last time in the role. And I think it's been long enough for us to admit that TDK was protected from real criticism thanks to Ledger dying. We all have to grow up sometime. We're in an era where Thor will probably defeat the Justice League. That says it all. All this is conjecture. You have no idea whether they would do well or not. Eh, I've got a pretty good idea. It's not hard, going back and watching them without the blinding nostalgia, to notice their flaws. And I loved SM2 when it first came out...then I went back and rewatched it and saw stuff in there that brought the level of enjoyment down for me a lot more than on the first watch.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 2, 2017 22:25:47 GMT
We're in an era where Thor will probably defeat the Justice League. That says it all. that may well be, but it won't cure that fanboy rash. Shazam-CapMarvel was more popular than Supes in the 40s, where is he now?
Buried down by the DC guys who sued his creators, stole the character and then suppressed him to keep him from threatening Superman. Every once in a while giving him a series to retain the name...and they couldn't even do that right.
If they hadn't done that, Fawcett Shazam Cap would've been a worthy rival to Superman. Maybe even surpassing him.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Nov 2, 2017 22:35:11 GMT
always with the temporal and artificial boosters. Eh, it's the truth. Donner's Superman and SM2 wouldn't do well today, nor would Logan have gotten its reception if it wasn't for it being Jackman's last time in the role. And I think it's been long enough for us to admit that TDK was protected from real criticism thanks to Ledger dying. We all have to grow up sometime. We're in an era where Thor will probably defeat the Justice League. That says it all. And by "defeat," you mean... woo more bobbleheaded dipshits to putter through the turnstiles irrespective of either film's artistic merit, content, overall quality, or lack thereof. Innit?
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 2, 2017 22:36:34 GMT
Eh, it's the truth. Donner's Superman and SM2 wouldn't do well today, nor would Logan have gotten its reception if it wasn't for it being Jackman's last time in the role. And I think it's been long enough for us to admit that TDK was protected from real criticism thanks to Ledger dying. We all have to grow up sometime. We're in an era where Thor will probably defeat the Justice League. That says it all. And by "defeat," you mean... Doing better with reviews and the sheer enjoyment people get from watching it, the unashamed embracing of the wondrous over-the-top nature of comics instead of creatively bankrupt "grounded" stuff.
JL will somehow "ground" an Apokolips Invasion. I don't know how, but it will.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2017 22:44:45 GMT
You never read much Comics right? Not every comic is "wondrous over-the-top."
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 2, 2017 22:50:41 GMT
And by "defeat," you mean... Doing better with reviews and the sheer enjoyment people get from watching it, the unashamed embracing of the wondrous over-the-top nature of comics instead of creatively bankrupt "grounded" stuff.
JL will somehow "ground" an Apokolips Invasion. I don't know how, but it will.
Apokolips will turn out to be the historical basis for every reference to hell in Earth religion, literature and art. It's nice how the DCEU renders humanity as the helpless pawns of heroes, despots, aliens, corporations and clandestine organizations.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 2, 2017 22:52:05 GMT
You never read much Comics right? Not every comic is "wondrous over-the-top." True but, not all of them are "graphic novels" or "intended for mature readers."
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Post by King Conan on Nov 2, 2017 22:59:51 GMT
But those are the best Comics. The Boys, Crossed, Walking Dead, Preacher etc. They are all awesome.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 2, 2017 23:08:05 GMT
But those are the best Comics. The Boys, Crossed, Walking Dead, Preacher etc. They are all awesome. That's debatable. And, every single title you've mentioned was designed from the outset to feature adult themes and a darker tone. Many of the superheroes people fight over from Marvel and DC were not designed that way. They were subjected to radical, deconstructionist (and sometimes revisionist) interpretations in later stories - usually presented in graphic novels.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2017 23:21:18 GMT
But those are the best Comics. The Boys, Crossed, Walking Dead, Preacher etc. They are all awesome. I agree. Escpecially with the Boys. One of the best Superhero comics ever made. Not the typical and boring good against evil stuff. That doesn't excist there. And its full of black comedy.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2017 1:15:13 GMT
From the article: And theres the reason why, when you set the lowest bar possible for the movie to get just a pass by appealing to audiences through visuals and laughs, the aggregate % becomes meaningless. A better indicator would be the metacritic and average score on RT. That would require a mind capable of 1% of nuance. That's 1% more nuance than any of the DCEU films have.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 3, 2017 1:40:22 GMT
That would require a mind capable of 1% of nuance. That's 1% more nuance than any of the DCEU films have. 99% more bullshit than anyone needs.
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Post by poelzig on Nov 3, 2017 2:07:30 GMT
And by "defeat," you mean... Doing better with reviews and the sheer enjoyment people get from watching it, the unashamed embracing of the wondrous over-the-top nature of comics instead of creatively bankrupt "grounded" stuff.
JL will somehow "ground" an Apokolips Invasion. I don't know how, but it will.
You mean like the way mcu turned the end of the world into a fun filled laugh fest so as not to scare or frustrate the target audience?
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 3, 2017 2:09:13 GMT
Doing better with reviews and the sheer enjoyment people get from watching it, the unashamed embracing of the wondrous over-the-top nature of comics instead of creatively bankrupt "grounded" stuff.
JL will somehow "ground" an Apokolips Invasion. I don't know how, but it will.
You mean like the way mcu turned the end of the world into a fun filled laugh fest so as not to scare or frustrate the target audience? No. And anyways, Ragnarok was never about the end of the world. That's not what Norse Ragnarok is. It's merely the end of one cycle and the beginning of another. People who thought it was some kind of apocalypse didn't know what they were talking about to begin with.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2017 2:17:52 GMT
I've seen more movies than I can remember seeing, char. I've rated 3,400 titles in IMDB. I don't give a rat's rear about art or crap. I like it or I don't. Marvel movies are like the western I watched every week on tv in the 60s. Good guys vs bad guys. Good guys win. Morals taught maybe. That's all I want out of it. I don't need some stupid movie to tell me crap. I've lived enough & seen a lot in 57 yrs. I don't need to take my self worth out of the entertainment I distract myself with as I wait until I can retire. No one is suggesting that these movies should all be deep, literary masterpieces. Im just pointing out the flaws in claiming that an aggregate score isnt a true reflection on the quality of a film. The better parameter should be a score out of 10 like imdb or metacritic. ArchAStanton fanfaring about Ragnarok being highest ranked comic movie is very misleading if you're only looking at RT fresh rating. Agreed, metacritic is far more reliable. Though 73 is pretty good given The Dark Knight and Logan got I believe 82 and 79. Of course they're not completely accurate as Wonder Woman, Force Awakens,Doctor Strange, GOTG, Iron Man 3 and Hunger Games should be lower. Empire strikes back,Revenge of the Sith, Winter Soldier, The Avengers, First Class,Terminator 1 & 2 and Return of the Jedi should be higher.
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Post by blockbusted on Nov 3, 2017 2:24:08 GMT
No one is suggesting that these movies should all be deep, literary masterpieces. Im just pointing out the flaws in claiming that an aggregate score isnt a true reflection on the quality of a film. The better parameter should be a score out of 10 like imdb or metacritic. ArchAStanton fanfaring about Ragnarok being highest ranked comic movie is very misleading if you're only looking at RT fresh rating. Agreed, metacritic is far more reliable. Though 73 is pretty good given The Dark Knight and Logan got I believe 82 and 79. Of course they're not completely accurate as Wonder Woman, Force Awakens,Doctor Strange, GOTG, Iron Man 3 and Hunger Games should be lower. Empire strikes back,Revenge of the Sith, Winter Soldier, The Avengers, First Class,Terminator 1 & 2 and Return of the Jedi should be higher. I lost quite a lot of faith in Metacritic after ‘Dragonball Evolution’ got 45/100 and ‘Speed Racer’ got 37/100.
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Post by poelzig on Nov 3, 2017 2:27:09 GMT
You mean like the way mcu turned the end of the world into a fun filled laugh fest so as not to scare or frustrate the target audience? No. And anyways, Ragnarok was never about the end of the world. That's not what Norse Ragnarok is. It's merely the end of one cycle and the beginning of another. People who thought it was some kind of apocalypse didn't know what they were talking about to begin with. As usual you are wrong. Ragnarok is defined by all dictionaries as: noun, Scandinavian Mythology. 1. the destruction of the gods and of all things in a final battle with the evil powers. Try using this new thing called google. It will list a variety of dictionary sources which ALL define Ragnarok as THE END OF THE WORLD. Now what were you saying about people not knowing what they were talking about? Hmmmm I notice none of the definitions mention pie fights and fart jokes so the mcu is playing fast and loose with the way the portray the end of all things. On the bright side at least none of the mcu fans had to see anything scary or upsetting or memorable or be challenged in any way at all.
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Post by CowherPowerForever on Nov 3, 2017 2:31:17 GMT
Not only is that wrong, but it is not even the highest MCU film.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2017 2:32:10 GMT
Not only is that wrong, but it is not even the highest MCU film. Opinion.
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