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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 3, 2017 21:04:35 GMT
Also the Joker is supposed to be a highly intelligent character, he's insane but he is a criminal mastermind so him having control and back up plans is kind of what he would have. Not to the absurd degree he did in TDK, where some dirty Hobo could do all that he did to such efficiency. THAT made sense, because he'd already poisoned the guy beforehand and it was a time delayed one. He was already a goner before the cops protected him. FF, SM3, GR and DD weren't considered good films to start with.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 3, 2017 21:05:58 GMT
- TDK has an average score of 8.6 and 94% Tomatometer, thus kicks FraggleRock ass - Spiderman 2 has an average score of 8.3 and 94% thus kicks FraggleRock ass
Artificially boosted by Ledger dying.
SM2 had artificial boosters from coming out when there was little to no competition.
Artificial booster from being Jackman's Swan Song.
Nostalgia and having no competition. More artificial boosters.
Honestly, put out Dark Knight, Spidey 2 and Superman today and they wouldn't do as well. Environment has changed.
That Thor has done as well as it has when people went in expecting it to be bad says a lot about how well its' succeeded.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Nov 3, 2017 22:01:51 GMT
Nostalgia and having no competition. More artificial boosters.
Honestly, put out Dark Knight, Spidey 2 and Superman today and they wouldn't do as well. Environment has changed.
E contrario I think if FraggleRock was released at the time of TDK, SM2 or SM1 it would have severely suffered from artificial downers and would have flopped brutally Inhumans style.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 3, 2017 22:22:03 GMT
Nostalgia and having no competition. More artificial boosters.
Honestly, put out Dark Knight, Spidey 2 and Superman today and they wouldn't do as well. Environment has changed.
E contrario I think if FraggleRock was released at the time of TDK, SM2 or SM1 it would have severely suffered from artificial downers and would have flopped brutally Inhumans style. If it was released then, then that would've meant the MCU and all its prior movies would've been released already as well since the film is a sequel and needed all the prior films to exist. Their presence would've affected the environment for CBMs and thus those other DC and Sony films wouldn't have done so well because they'd have actual competition instead of the near vacuum they benefitted from.
Inhumans had little in common with Thor Ragnarok, so there's little room for comparison.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Nov 3, 2017 22:24:01 GMT
E contrario I think if FraggleRock was released at the time of TDK, SM2 or SM1 it would have severely suffered from artificial downers and would have flopped brutally Inhumans style. If it was released then, then that would've meant the MCU and all its prior movies would've been released already as well since the film is a sequel and needed all the prior films to exist. Their presence would've affected the environment for CBMs and thus those other DC and Sony films wouldn't have done so well because they'd have actual competition instead of the near vacuum they benefitted from.
Inhumans had little in common with Thor Ragnarok, so there's little room for comparison.
translation: MCU would have flopped like all the decades before because of artificial downers.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 3, 2017 22:29:00 GMT
If it was released then, then that would've meant the MCU and all its prior movies would've been released already as well since the film is a sequel and needed all the prior films to exist. Their presence would've affected the environment for CBMs and thus those other DC and Sony films wouldn't have done so well because they'd have actual competition instead of the near vacuum they benefitted from.
Inhumans had little in common with Thor Ragnarok, so there's little room for comparison.
translation: MCU would have flopped like all the decades before because of artificial downers. Nah, their presence might've made those other films be more willing to push the envelope though. Which would've been awesome.
The MCU has artificial downers NOW as there are people who set out to hate it from day one and still do, but has triumphed every time.
Have the MCU start out in the 1970s or 1980s and they'd have replaced Star Wars, except with more films.
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Post by scabab on Nov 3, 2017 22:41:32 GMT
THAT made sense, because he'd already poisoned the guy beforehand and it was a time delayed one. He was already a goner before the cops protected him. So he planned for it like how he planned for things in The Dark Knight, like planting the phone bomb in someone's stomach to get out of the prison after planting to be taken there. Unlike The Dark Knight which is considered amazing and one of the best movies of all time.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2017 23:28:00 GMT
But weirdraptor insult prople too, why will that be always ignored. He is one of the bigger troublemakers here. Wrong again.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 3, 2017 23:29:47 GMT
So he planned for it like how he planned for things in The Dark Knight, like planting the phone bomb in someone's stomach to get out of the prison after planting to be taken there. He did that ONCE in the comic and pulled it off in ONE story. Not to the absurd degree he did in TDK. Plus plenty of those people were important and would've been hard to get to, as opposed to the random people he targeted in the comics. Thanks to Ledger dying and making it be considered wrong to critique the films' plot holes or errors.
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Post by miike80 on Nov 3, 2017 23:35:07 GMT
That's exactly like saying the MCU movies are rated good because of paid critics. People need to accept that other people like movies that they don't.I hate every Wes Anderson movie, and i found Gone Girl to be a piece of trash.Yet people like them and praise them. Good for them! No, because there's nothing that suggests that Marvel paid off any critic. Whereas with Ledger and TDK, there's clearly some connection. There's a connection because you want to make it, not because it actually is.As people can't prove marvel paid critics you can't prove that critics were easy on the film because of that tragic event
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Post by miike80 on Nov 3, 2017 23:38:20 GMT
Thanks to Ledger dying and making it be considered wrong to critique the films' plot holes or errors. if it were for that critics could have said: " Ledger is fantastic, but unfortunately the script is not at the same heights"
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Post by Hitman's Bodyguard on Nov 3, 2017 23:44:24 GMT
But weirdraptor insult prople too, why will that be always ignored. He is one of the bigger troublemakers here. Right again. Fixed for you.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 3, 2017 23:50:51 GMT
Thanks to Ledger dying and making it be considered wrong to critique the films' plot holes or errors. if it were for that critics could have said: " Ledger is fantastic, but unfortunately the script is not at the same heights" His death made them want to treat the whole film gently, so they ignored stuff like how the philosophies brought up are full of holes, the whole final act is rushed, Joker's omnipotence is lazy writing and how wasted Two-Face was.
And the whole "Batman takes the blame" thing too.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 4, 2017 0:17:36 GMT
No, because there's nothing that suggests that Marvel paid off any critic. Whereas with Ledger and TDK, there's clearly some connection. There's a connection because you want to make it, not because it actually is.As people can't prove marvel paid critics you can't prove that critics were easy on the film because of that tragic event And if Marvel paid critics, then Inhumans and Iron Fist wouldn't be rated where they are.
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 4, 2017 3:18:23 GMT
Except when it came to Logan and WW, of course... At this rate, it's not going to change much. Looks like Thor's rained on DC and Fox's parade, an unlikely victor but a victor regardless. You did not comprehend what I said as you did not read beyond the first point.For fun, lets base it on your (ignorant) premise and have some fun: - Currently Thor FraggleRock on average score 7.5 and 94% Tomatometer (on Metacritic its on 73%); lets compare with eg: - TDK has an average score of 8.6 and 94% Tomatometer, thus kicks FraggleRock ass- Spiderman 2 has an average score of 8.3 and 94% thus kicks FraggleRock ass
- Logan has an average score of 7.9 and 93% thus kicks FraggleRock ass
- Superman 1 has an average score of 8 and 94% thus kicks FraggleRock assBased on your own silly ignorance you have lost. Congrats. Ragnarok's already dropped to 93% so it's already lower than TDK, Spider-Man 2, and Superman.
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 4, 2017 3:21:23 GMT
Using the death of an actor, to excuse a movies success, is really disgusting. Seriously formersamhed, how can someone such an disrespectful asshole. I'm ashamed calling you a human. formersamhmd continues to exploit a young man's death almost a decade later as a lame excuse for MCU not having an Oscar-worthy movies. MCU is so desperate to try to get their 1st Oscar that they're now trying to promote Ragnarok and GotG2 for Best Picture. Those movies have ZERO chance of an Oscar for Best Picture.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Nov 4, 2017 3:22:18 GMT
You did not comprehend what I said as you did not read beyond the first point.For fun, lets base it on your (ignorant) premise and have some fun: - Currently Thor FraggleRock on average score 7.5 and 94% Tomatometer (on Metacritic its on 73%); lets compare with eg: - TDK has an average score of 8.6 and 94% Tomatometer, thus kicks FraggleRock ass- Spiderman 2 has an average score of 8.3 and 94% thus kicks FraggleRock ass
- Logan has an average score of 7.9 and 93% thus kicks FraggleRock ass
- Superman 1 has an average score of 8 and 94% thus kicks FraggleRock assBased on your own silly ignorance you have lost. Congrats. Ragnarok's already dropped to 93% so it's already lower than TDK, Spider-Man 2, and Superman. But I thought you said the normal rating doesn't matter on RottenTomatos? If it does, then that means Ragnorok and Iron Man are better than Wonder Woman and, oh yeah, so is Logan.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 4, 2017 4:04:03 GMT
You did not comprehend what I said as you did not read beyond the first point.For fun, lets base it on your (ignorant) premise and have some fun: - Currently Thor FraggleRock on average score 7.5 and 94% Tomatometer (on Metacritic its on 73%); lets compare with eg: - TDK has an average score of 8.6 and 94% Tomatometer, thus kicks FraggleRock ass- Spiderman 2 has an average score of 8.3 and 94% thus kicks FraggleRock ass
- Logan has an average score of 7.9 and 93% thus kicks FraggleRock ass
- Superman 1 has an average score of 8 and 94% thus kicks FraggleRock assBased on your own silly ignorance you have lost. Congrats. Ragnarok's already dropped to 93% so it's already lower than TDK, Spider-Man 2, and Superman. It doesn't have TDK's artificial boosters, nor the easy benefit Superman and SM2 had from having no competition. So it's in a harsher environment...and still powering on through.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Nov 4, 2017 4:08:28 GMT
There's a connection because you want to make it, not because it actually is.As people can't prove marvel paid critics you can't prove that critics were easy on the film because of that tragic event And if Marvel paid critics, then Inhumans and Iron Fist wouldn't be rated where they are. Would film critics, if paid by Marvel Film Studios, normally rate television shows?
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 4, 2017 4:09:36 GMT
And if Marvel paid critics, then Inhumans and Iron Fist wouldn't be rated where they are. Would film critics, if paid by Marvel Film Studios, normally rate television shows? Critics are critics. Marvel wouldn't half-ass it if they were doing this stuff.
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