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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 2, 2017 18:37:35 GMT
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Post by charzhino on Nov 2, 2017 18:44:06 GMT
From the article:
And theres the reason why, when you set the lowest bar possible for the movie to get just a pass by appealing to audiences through visuals and laughs, the aggregate % becomes meaningless. A better indicator would be the metacritic and average score on RT.
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Post by merh on Nov 2, 2017 19:50:51 GMT
From the article: And theres the reason why, when you set the lowest bar possible for the movie to get just a pass by appealing to audiences through visuals and laughs, the aggregate % becomes meaningless. A better indicator would be the metacritic and average score on RT. I've seen more movies than I can remember seeing, char. I've rated 3,400 titles in IMDB. I don't give a rat's rear about art or crap. I like it or I don't. Marvel movies are like the western I watched every week on tv in the 60s. Good guys vs bad guys. Good guys win. Morals taught maybe. That's all I want out of it. I don't need some stupid movie to tell me crap. I've lived enough & seen a lot in 57 yrs. I don't need to take my self worth out of the entertainment I distract myself with as I wait until I can retire.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 2, 2017 20:47:11 GMT
Also from that article: "As I've said countless times, I wish that folks who discuss Rotten Tomatoes, and that includes Rotten Tomatoes itself, would point out the average critic ranking along with the yay/nay score. Because since a 6/10 is enough for a "fresh" score, using the binary system A) penalizes divisive films, B) creates an impression that a three-star movie has earned near-unanimously rave reviews and C) can sometimes create an impression that a movie is better or worse received than it actually was. The obvious example is Batman v Superman, which had just 27% positive reviews but an average score of 4.9/10. That's still not good, but a proverbial 5/10 looks a lot better than what is perceived by the masses as a 2.7/10 score."
Just to put a little perspective on it.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 2, 2017 20:58:06 GMT
It's funny how DC fans will ignore RT's ratings...until it's one of THEIR movies that gets a good score.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Nov 2, 2017 21:05:43 GMT
no formersamhmd , but we DC fans seem just to be a tad more patient than you MCU folks: - The results are not final, there will be at least 150+ reviews more on RT; - Currently its on 7.5 average and 94% but that will change again ( Metacritic: 73%); - Even if that was final we need an weighted adjusted score (Bayesian) to account for different review numbers etc to seriously compare results; Geez, you MCU guys should really stop with the fun and get serious (like with education), or you will stay basement dwelling comic nerds for life.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 2, 2017 21:20:56 GMT
no formersamhmd , but we DC fans seem just to be a tad more patient than you MCU folks: Except when it came to Logan and WW, of course... At this rate, it's not going to change much. Looks like Thor's rained on DC and Fox's parade, an unlikely victor but a victor regardless.
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Post by charzhino on Nov 2, 2017 21:22:00 GMT
From the article: And theres the reason why, when you set the lowest bar possible for the movie to get just a pass by appealing to audiences through visuals and laughs, the aggregate % becomes meaningless. A better indicator would be the metacritic and average score on RT. I've seen more movies than I can remember seeing, char. I've rated 3,400 titles in IMDB. I don't give a rat's rear about art or crap. I like it or I don't. Marvel movies are like the western I watched every week on tv in the 60s. Good guys vs bad guys. Good guys win. Morals taught maybe. That's all I want out of it. I don't need some stupid movie to tell me crap. I've lived enough & seen a lot in 57 yrs. I don't need to take my self worth out of the entertainment I distract myself with as I wait until I can retire. No one is suggesting that these movies should all be deep, literary masterpieces. Im just pointing out the flaws in claiming that an aggregate score isnt a true reflection on the quality of a film. The better parameter should be a score out of 10 like imdb or metacritic. ArchAStanton fanfaring about Ragnarok being highest ranked comic movie is very misleading if you're only looking at RT fresh rating.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 2, 2017 21:26:04 GMT
ArchAStanton fanfaring about Ragnarok being highest ranked comic movie is very misleading if you're only looking at RT fresh rating. I get the feeling he's just taking the piss out of the people who keep gushing on about Logan or WW or Dark Knight.
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Post by charzhino on Nov 2, 2017 21:32:11 GMT
ArchAStanton fanfaring about Ragnarok being highest ranked comic movie is very misleading if you're only looking at RT fresh rating. I get the feeling he's just taking the piss out of the people who keep gushing on about Logan or WW or Dark Knight. It doesnt really mean much if one of those films are 1 or 2% better on the aggregate score. If you are gloating about Thor having a couple of percentage points higher on an already percentage total then your maths needs revision. And those 3 movies have higher metacritic and average scores than Ragnarok but lets wait until its all settled.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Nov 2, 2017 21:35:13 GMT
no formersamhmd , but we DC fans seem just to be a tad more patient than you MCU folks: Except when it came to Logan and WW, of course... At this rate, it's not going to change much. Looks like Thor's rained on DC and Fox's parade, an unlikely victor but a victor regardless. You did not comprehend what I said as you did not read beyond the first point.For fun, lets base it on your (ignorant) premise and have some fun: - Currently Thor FraggleRock on average score 7.5 and 94% Tomatometer (on Metacritic its on 73%); lets compare with eg: - TDK has an average score of 8.6 and 94% Tomatometer, thus kicks FraggleRock ass- Spiderman 2 has an average score of 8.3 and 94% thus kicks FraggleRock ass
- Logan has an average score of 7.9 and 93% thus kicks FraggleRock ass
- Superman 1 has an average score of 8 and 94% thus kicks FraggleRock assBased on your own silly ignorance you have lost. Congrats.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 2, 2017 21:35:43 GMT
ArchAStanton fanfaring about Ragnarok being highest ranked comic movie is very misleading if you're only looking at RT fresh rating. I get the feeling he's just taking the piss out of the people who keep gushing on about Logan or WW or Dark Knight. Yeah, because the RT score meant something then. A new contender comes along for the title and suddenly, the goal post desperately needs shifting. Hee hee hee...
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Nov 2, 2017 21:43:55 GMT
From the article: And theres the reason why, when you set the lowest bar possible for the movie to get just a pass by appealing to audiences through visuals and laughs, the aggregate % becomes meaningless. A better indicator would be the metacritic and average score on RT. That would require a mind capable of 1% of nuance.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 2, 2017 21:45:43 GMT
I get the feeling he's just taking the piss out of the people who keep gushing on about Logan or WW or Dark Knight. It doesnt really mean much if one of those films are 1 or 2% better on the aggregate score. If you are gloating about Thor having a couple of percentage points higher on an already percentage total then your maths needs revision. And those 3 movies have higher metacritic and average scores than Ragnarok but lets wait until its all settled. Like I said, it's all being done for fun. Roll with it.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 2, 2017 21:47:30 GMT
- TDK has an average score of 8.6 and 94% thus kicks FraggleRock assArtificially boosted from Ledger dying. Had no competition at the time. Wouldn't do well today. Artificial booster from being Jackman's Swan Song. Had no competition at the time. Wouldn't do well today. Grow a thicker skin. This pretentiousness you're advocating is getting embarrassing.
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Post by merh on Nov 2, 2017 21:52:18 GMT
I've seen more movies than I can remember seeing, char. I've rated 3,400 titles in IMDB. I don't give a rat's rear about art or crap. I like it or I don't. Marvel movies are like the western I watched every week on tv in the 60s. Good guys vs bad guys. Good guys win. Morals taught maybe. That's all I want out of it. I don't need some stupid movie to tell me crap. I've lived enough & seen a lot in 57 yrs. I don't need to take my self worth out of the entertainment I distract myself with as I wait until I can retire. No one is suggesting that these movies should all be deep, literary masterpieces. Im just pointing out the flaws in claiming that an aggregate score isnt a true reflection on the quality of a film. The better parameter should be a score out of 10 like imdb or metacritic. ArchAStanton fanfaring about Ragnarok being highest ranked comic movie is very misleading if you're only looking at RT fresh rating. I played this game on IMDB I was hanging out on the Avengers board & every couple days or so a Batfan had to drop by to warn us how badly Avengers was going to suck. It would fail financially & critically. Their refuge ended up being metacritic, a site I don't frequent (started by lawyers)
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Nov 2, 2017 21:52:53 GMT
- TDK has an average score of 8.6 and 94% thus kicks FraggleRock assArtificially boosted from Ledger dying. Had no competition at the time. Wouldn't do well today. Artificial booster from being Jackman's Swan Song. Had no competition at the time. Wouldn't do well today. Grow a thicker skin. always with the temporal and artificial boosters. Don't scratch that fanboy rash too much, old pal.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 2, 2017 21:56:38 GMT
always with the temporal and artificial boosters. Eh, it's the truth. Donner's Superman and SM2 wouldn't do well today, nor would Logan have gotten its reception if it wasn't for it being Jackman's last time in the role. And I think it's been long enough for us to admit that TDK was protected from real criticism thanks to Ledger dying. We all have to grow up sometime. We're in an era where Thor will probably defeat the Justice League. That says it all.
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Post by charzhino on Nov 2, 2017 22:06:46 GMT
always with the temporal and artificial boosters. Eh, it's the truth. Donner's Superman and SM2 wouldn't do well today, nor would Logan have gotten its reception if it wasn't for it being Jackman's last time in the role. And I think it's been long enough for us to admit that TDK was protected from real criticism thanks to Ledger dying. We all have to grow up sometime. We're in an era where Thor will probably defeat the Justice League. That says it all. All this is conjecture. You have no idea whether they would do well or not.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Nov 2, 2017 22:16:31 GMT
always with the temporal and artificial boosters. We're in an era where Thor will probably defeat the Justice League. That says it all. that may well be, but it won't cure that fanboy rash. Shazam-CapMarvel was more popular than Supes in the 40s, where is he now? Favorites and knock-offs come and go, the classics stay. Perspective says it all.
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