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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Nov 3, 2017 15:35:51 GMT
It's certainly not the highest RATED superhero movie ever. But it may be the least offensive one. Offensive?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2017 15:48:21 GMT
It's certainly not the highest RATED superhero movie ever. But it may be the least offensive one. Offensive? The Tomatometer doesn't measure a film's "rating." It measures how many critics would recommend the movie or not (regardless of how "good" or "bad" it is). So the fact that so many critics are recommending it suggests that the film is perhaps one of the least offensive superhero movies ever. That's another way of saying that you aren't going to find a lot of people who will complain about the film enough to not recommend it.
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Post by Jedan Archer on Nov 3, 2017 15:55:13 GMT
The Tomatometer doesn't measure a film's "rating." It measures how many critics would recommend the movie or not (regardless of how "good" or "bad" it is). So the fact that so many critics are recommending it suggests that the film is perhaps one of the least offensive superhero movies ever. That's another way of saying that you aren't going to find a lot of people who will complain about the film enough to not recommend it. Martin Scorsese recently published an article suggesting a similar thing, essentially saying that easy-listening/junk food "fun" entertainment is well rated in the RT age, while the more artistic movies are lower. But art and quality cinema must be understood and digested, not consumed like dog food. He has a point.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 3, 2017 16:04:21 GMT
They didn't get a full performance from Ledger, and the movie didn't try to exploit his death. Sure, whatever. It's not like critics give some MCU movies like Ant-man a pass because they don't take themselves seriously, and as a consequence neither do the critics. they have some fun during the movie, and 2 hours later they forget about it.it does not apply to al MCU movies, but it surely applies to some. With Ant-Man, people were ready to hate it because they were PO'ed that Edgar Wright was no longer attached to direct.
For similar reasons, people were ready to dislike MCU Spider-Man.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 3, 2017 16:06:02 GMT
If it wasn't for him dying, odds are that audiences and critics would've been more willing to notice and point out the films flaws. That's exactly like saying the MCU movies are rated good because of paid critics. People need to accept that other people like movies that they don't.I hate every Wes Anderson movie, and i found Gone Girl to be a piece of trash.Yet people like them and praise them. Good for them! No, because there's nothing that suggests that Marvel paid off any critic. Whereas with Ledger and TDK, there's clearly some connection.
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Post by Jedan Archer on Nov 3, 2017 16:17:25 GMT
That's exactly like saying the MCU movies are rated good because of paid critics. People need to accept that other people like movies that they don't.I hate every Wes Anderson movie, and i found Gone Girl to be a piece of trash.Yet people like them and praise them. Good for them! No, because there's nothing that suggests that Marvel paid off any critic. Whereas with Ledger and TDK , there's clearly some connection.
In your head. The abundant praise for TDK was certainly amplified by the death, but usually such things evaporate quickly. But the film still stands as THE artistic monolith of post modern CBMs. If that reputation was solely built on the death of Ledger this fame would have inflated quicker than Avatar. Shit does not fly for long. You might rethinking your mono causal theories essentially as being lullabies helping you sleep at night; but they do not correlate with the reality of facts.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 3, 2017 16:29:29 GMT
If it wasn't for him dying, odds are that audiences and critics would've been more willing to notice and point out the films flaws. Like the Joker being omnipotent, the final act being a rush-job and Two-Face being wasted. Or why Harvey Dent was seen as some White Knight when he next to nothing to earn that as opposed to someone like Jim Gordon. Or how there are massive holes in the philosophies Alfred and Dent bring up (Some men just want to see the world burn and "Die a hero or become a villain") yet no one ever challenges them. There are plenty of people who point out flaws in the film, as there are in all films. With Dark Knight, no one was willing to do so for years. If the movie explained what made Dent a "White Knight" I might agree...but it just expected for us to believe in him when he only succeeds thanks to Batman and Gordon. And for whatever reason he's supposed to be "the best of them" when he wasn't. I'm saying that if it weren't for a tragedy shielding the film, those critics would've paid more attention to those flaws.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 3, 2017 16:30:20 GMT
No, because there's nothing that suggests that Marvel paid off any critic. Whereas with Ledger and TDK , there's clearly some connection.
In your head. The abundant praise for TDK was certainly amplified by the death, but usually such things evaporate quickly. Not with the hype machine that flick had behind it.
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Post by chasallnut on Nov 3, 2017 16:34:56 GMT
There are plenty of people who point out flaws in the film, as there are in all films. With Dark Knight, no one was willing to do so for years. If the movie explained what made Dent a "White Knight" I might agree...but it just expected for us to believe in him when he only succeeds thanks to Batman and Gordon. And for whatever reason he's supposed to be "the best of them" when he wasn't. I'm saying that if it weren't for a tragedy shielding the film, those critics would've paid more attention to those flaws. With Dark Knight, no one was willing to do so for years. - Not so, there were critical reviews at the time. but it just expected for us to believe in him when he only succeeds thanks to Batman and Gordon. And for whatever reason he's supposed to be "the best of them" when he wasn't. - Not so, the movie shows the corruption within the police force and Dent trying to flush it out. And the reason his reputation is protected is a major part of the storyline and a crossover into the next movie. I'm saying that if it weren't for a tragedy shielding the film, those critics would've paid more attention to those flaws. - And we are back to your bias and conjecture.
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Post by scabab on Nov 3, 2017 16:38:57 GMT
The Dark Knights flaws were pointed out immediately.
Batman's voice was heavily criticised from day 1. Some of the dialogue like "No more dead cops" or "I'm not wearing hockey pads". That one cop who rode next to Gordon in the Swat car. The technology involved with the Sonar from the mobile phones etc.
It always had criticism. It was mostly over looked though considered how phenomenal the movie is and how it's still the best superhero movie ever made.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 3, 2017 16:42:38 GMT
The Dark Knights flaws were pointed out immediately. Batman's voice was heavily criticised from day 1. Some of the dialogue like "No more dead cops" or "I'm not wearing hockey pads". That one cop who rode next to Gordon in the Swat car. The technology involved with the Sonar from the mobile phones etc. It always had criticism. It was mostly over looked though considered how phenomenal the movie is and how it's still the best superhero movie ever made. It needed an omnipotent villain, that automatically disqualifies it from being "best" anything for relying on such a lazy approach.
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Post by damngumby on Nov 3, 2017 16:50:33 GMT
So ... you unintentionally agree that the opposing argument is correct.
I sure hope you haven't argued anything more critical than a traffic violation in court, champ.
I sure hope you have some recent post-death data to support that claim.
Fabricating facts is frowned upon on comic book superhero forums ... and in a court of law.
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Post by scabab on Nov 3, 2017 17:26:28 GMT
The Dark Knights flaws were pointed out immediately. Batman's voice was heavily criticised from day 1. Some of the dialogue like "No more dead cops" or "I'm not wearing hockey pads". That one cop who rode next to Gordon in the Swat car. The technology involved with the Sonar from the mobile phones etc. It always had criticism. It was mostly over looked though considered how phenomenal the movie is and how it's still the best superhero movie ever made. It needed an omnipotent villain, that automatically disqualifies it from being "best" anything for relying on such a lazy approach. He wasn't omnipotent, no more than how he's portrayed in the comics. It's still considered the best, one of the best movies in general really and no matter how hard they try or how many of these superhero movies they make, they will never make one better than The Dark Knight. They've tried for almost 10 years and nothing even comes close.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 3, 2017 17:56:04 GMT
He wasn't omnipotent, no more than how he's portrayed in the comics. He was, he very much was. He ALWAYS had complete control and always had a backup plan and somehow was able to pull off assassination after assignation and have bombs everywhere. It was omnipotence. Because of the you-know-what. Now it has nostalgia shielding it too. [/quote]
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Post by Lee on Nov 3, 2017 18:04:53 GMT
Hey scabab. You as a mod can you stop users "fixing" another users posts? That is really a disgusting thing, and disrespectful. Or is there an function to prevent this.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 3, 2017 18:46:21 GMT
Hey scabab. You as a mod can you stop users "fixing" another users posts? That is really a disgusting thing, and disrespectful. Or is there an function to prevent this. Grow a thicker skin, man.
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Post by Lee on Nov 3, 2017 18:58:05 GMT
And you stop being so disrespectful.
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Post by scabab on Nov 3, 2017 19:19:51 GMT
Yeah it is a little disrespectful to take someone's post and then reword it into your own meaning.
Also the Joker is supposed to be a highly intelligent character, he's insane but he is a criminal mastermind so him having control and back up plans is kind of what he would have.
I remember even in the cartoon in the Laughing Fish episode, he threatened to kill someone at a certain time and even when the police and Batman were protecting this person, Joker was still able to get to him.
Ledger dying isn't why the movie is considered the best otherwise the same would be said for The Crow or Fast and Furious 7. Nostalgia isn't helping Fantastic Four, Spider-man 3, Ghost Rider or Daredevil when they're even older either.
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Post by poelzig on Nov 3, 2017 19:30:45 GMT
But weirdraptor insult prople too, why will that be always ignored. He is one of the bigger troublemakers here. Exactly my point.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Nov 3, 2017 19:33:01 GMT
And you stop being so disrespectful. he is what he is. One must beat them with their own weapons, make them scratch their fanboy rashes: Hey, Sam old buddy, what about the best reviewed movie ever claim? - Currently Thor FraggleRock on average score 7.5 and 93% Tomatometer (on Metacritic its on 73%) ; who needs Bayesian, right...? So, lets compare the raw data with eg: - TDK has an average score of 8.6 and 94% Tomatometer, thus kicks FraggleRock ass - Spiderman 2 has an average score of 8.3 and 94% thus kicks FraggleRock ass - Logan (a FOX MAN MOVIE) has an average score of 7.9 and 93% thus kicks FraggleRock ass - Superman 1 has an average score of 8 and 94% thus kicks FraggleRock ass What do you call this, " artificial downers"? Don't worry with a bit of Marvel MCU magic it's back at 100% soon.
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