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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 15, 2018 19:19:00 GMT
I think it is extremely difficult to provide more clarity on a verifiable source by starting with additions to that by way of personal beliefs. To start with personal belief is working backwards and complicates something that can be very simple. For example, Cody insists that believing in the trinity is mandatory for true Christians and yet cannot be bothered to actually verify where it says that in the one book that is mandatory for true Christians. I personally have never been able to find out what the punishment is for thinking the trinity is goofy. Backwards. But that is not what we are really talking about, for Cody to say "I believe in the Trinity" is expressing a personal belief, hell it is even a personal belief for him to say "I believe that you must believe in the Trinity to be a Christian" and those can be his stated beliefs and he can articulate them and not discuss them. What you want to discuss is, does scripture support a Trinity, and that, although you will no doubt has differences of opinion, can be a discussion that does not discuss personal belief, but is illuminated by the knowledge of personal belief. You don't have to express your personal belief but sometimes it has value. I'm not discussing what is and isn't ok to discuss since we can discuss anything. I have no control over that nor would I want it. I'm only saying that it's pointless as opposed to discussing what scripture says about it which would have a point in the discussion whether we believe what it says or not. To me that's why it makes sense to not waste time discussing personal belief.
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Post by gadreel on Mar 15, 2018 19:24:36 GMT
But that is not what we are really talking about, for Cody to say "I believe in the Trinity" is expressing a personal belief, hell it is even a personal belief for him to say "I believe that you must believe in the Trinity to be a Christian" and those can be his stated beliefs and he can articulate them and not discuss them. What you want to discuss is, does scripture support a Trinity, and that, although you will no doubt has differences of opinion, can be a discussion that does not discuss personal belief, but is illuminated by the knowledge of personal belief. You don't have to express your personal belief but sometimes it has value. I'm not discussing what is and isn't ok to discuss since we can discuss anything. I have no control over that nor would I want it. I'm only saying that it's pointless as opposed to discussing what scripture says about it which would have a point in the discussion whether we believe what it says or not. To me that's why it makes sense to not waste time discussing personal belief. And we agree that you think it is pointless discussing personal belief, what I am saying is that should not stop you expressing personal belief.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 15, 2018 19:44:18 GMT
I'm not discussing what is and isn't ok to discuss since we can discuss anything. I have no control over that nor would I want it. I'm only saying that it's pointless as opposed to discussing what scripture says about it which would have a point in the discussion whether we believe what it says or not. To me that's why it makes sense to not waste time discussing personal belief. And we agree that you think it is pointless discussing personal belief, what I am saying is that should not stop you expressing personal belief. Well, it shouldn't stop others from doing so. I would have no reason to although it can be fun/interesting to discuss their beliefs. My interest is in disputing misconceptions about scripture or belief itself.
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Post by gadreel on Mar 15, 2018 19:47:15 GMT
And we agree that you think it is pointless discussing personal belief, what I am saying is that should not stop you expressing personal belief. Well, it shouldn't stop others from doing so. I would have no reason to although it can be fun/interesting to discuss their beliefs. My interest is in disputing misconceptions about scripture or belief itself. If you seek to dispute misconceptions about belief, you will have to know what beliefs are held.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 15, 2018 19:58:54 GMT
Well, it shouldn't stop others from doing so. I would have no reason to although it can be fun/interesting to discuss their beliefs. My interest is in disputing misconceptions about scripture or belief itself. If you seek to dispute misconceptions about belief, you will have to know what beliefs are held. When I say that I mean when an atheist pretends to know what beliefs Christians hold aka stereotyping like the Christians aren't supposed to eat shrimp stuff. or Catholics are pro kiddie diddling. or religion has the magical ability to brainwash a kid solely by it's existence. You can turn to what is written about that to refute the stereotype by readily available information. or a million other things.
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Post by gadreel on Mar 15, 2018 20:05:08 GMT
If you seek to dispute misconceptions about belief, you will have to know what beliefs are held. When I say that I mean when an atheist pretends to know what beliefs Christians hold aka stereotyping like the Christians aren't supposed to eat shrimp stuff. or Catholics are pro kiddie diddling. or religion has the magical ability to brainwash a kid solely by it's existence. You can turn to what is written about that to refute the stereotype by readily available information. or a million other things. fair enough. You have not convinced me that there is any harm in simply expressing your beliefs, but your stance is your own and you are welcome to it.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 15, 2018 20:15:52 GMT
When I say that I mean when an atheist pretends to know what beliefs Christians hold aka stereotyping like the Christians aren't supposed to eat shrimp stuff. or Catholics are pro kiddie diddling. or religion has the magical ability to brainwash a kid solely by it's existence. You can turn to what is written about that to refute the stereotype by readily available information. or a million other things. fair enough. You have not convinced me that there is any harm in simply expressing your beliefs, but your stance is your own and you are welcome to it. Something being pointless is harmless except that it can derail a thread, but that's not important either.
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Post by Cody™ on Mar 15, 2018 20:25:17 GMT
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Post by gadreel on Mar 15, 2018 20:27:07 GMT
Why are you tagging me, I believe in the trinity. Oh and I don't watch videos, if you can't put it in your own words I am not interested.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 15, 2018 20:27:51 GMT
What book of the Bible is that?
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Post by Cody™ on Mar 15, 2018 20:33:16 GMT
Why are you tagging me, I believe in the trinity. Oh and I don't watch videos, if you can't put it in your own words I am not interested. You're lying. Just the other day you called me out for not replying to a video Rabbit linked, which you yourself watched. It's a 3 minute video which has a bit say about heretical Christians, so it's related to you also and well worth your time.
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Post by gadreel on Mar 15, 2018 20:36:37 GMT
Why are you tagging me, I believe in the trinity. Oh and I don't watch videos, if you can't put it in your own words I am not interested. You're lying. Just the other day you called me out for not replying to a video Rabbit linked, which you yourself watched. It's a 3 minute video which has a bit say about heretical Christians, so it's related to you also and well worth your time. apologies I do not recall, I don't watch MOST videos, and I certainly won't watch this when I already believe in the trinity and I am not a heretic. Maybe you could sum it up in your own words? EDIT: I can't find where I called you out for not watching a video, don't suppose you can link to it can you?
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Post by Cody™ on Mar 15, 2018 20:37:43 GMT
What book of the Bible is that? Do you get some sort of kick out of being awkward and difficult? You asked why the trinity is necessary. The answers are right there in a 3 minute video. Take it or leave it.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 15, 2018 20:41:16 GMT
What book of the Bible is that? Do you get some sort of kick out of being awkward and difficult? You asked why the trinity is necessary. The answers are right there in a 3 minute video. Take it or leave it. I don't believe I asked that. I knew you would come up with something which was the whole point of my conversation with gadreel. Youtube is not 2 Timothy 3:16 compliant.
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Post by Cody™ on Mar 15, 2018 20:43:06 GMT
You're lying. Just the other day you called me out for not replying to a video Rabbit linked, which you yourself watched. It's a 3 minute video which has a bit say about heretical Christians, so it's related to you also and well worth your time. apologies I do not recall, I don't watch MOST videos, and I certainly won't watch this when I already believe in the trinity and I am not a heretic. Maybe you could sum it up in your own words? EDIT: I can't find where I called you out for not watching a video, don't suppose you can link to it can you? imdb2.freeforums.net/thread/86598/honest-muslim-preaching?page=2You're a liar.
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Post by Cody™ on Mar 15, 2018 20:44:36 GMT
Do you get some sort of kick out of being awkward and difficult? You asked why the trinity is necessary. The answers are right there in a 3 minute video. Take it or leave it. I don't believe I asked that. I knew you would come up with something which was the whole point of my conversation with gadreel. Youtube is not 2 Timothy 3:16 compliant. You're a waste of time. Go away.
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Post by gadreel on Mar 15, 2018 20:46:08 GMT
apologies I do not recall, I don't watch MOST videos, and I certainly won't watch this when I already believe in the trinity and I am not a heretic. Maybe you could sum it up in your own words? EDIT: I can't find where I called you out for not watching a video, don't suppose you can link to it can you? imdb2.freeforums.net/thread/86598/honest-muslim-preaching?page=2You're a liar. no idiot I failed to recall and I apologised for it. why are you on such a witch hunt for me?
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 15, 2018 20:46:27 GMT
I don't believe I asked that. I knew you would come up with something which was the whole point of my conversation with gadreel. Youtube is not 2 Timothy 3:16 compliant. You're a waste of time. Go away. You replied to me. You go away before i create a belief to threaten you with.
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Post by Cody™ on Mar 15, 2018 21:15:31 GMT
no idiot I failed to recall and I apologised for it. why are you on such a witch hunt for me? You also replied to the Ben Shapiro abortion video I provided a few weeks back. Trying to avoid watching this video by lying shows your insincerity and intellectual dishonesty and I don't have time for such people.
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Post by gadreel on Mar 15, 2018 21:17:06 GMT
no idiot I failed to recall and I apologised for it. why are you on such a witch hunt for me? You also replied to the Ben Shapiro abortion video I provided a few weeks back. Trying to avoid watching this video by lying shows your insincerity and intellectual dishonesty and I don't have time for such people. The stop trying to call me out you sniveling little fuckhead.
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