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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 23, 2018 18:25:45 GMT
even if I was to take in rt. we know BP RT score is a scam like most mcu movies. but BP is a big scam. if the movie had an all white cast and was not powered by the marvel disney machine it will likely be in the 70s. so why are u people obsessing over rt when you know the score itself its a sham, we know most don't take it seriously.
as said, dcfan was trolling u people. dc already had the nolan's trilogy outside of wonder woman. makes sense for mcu fans to hold onto to rt. they have nothing.
true...like how most people here are saying first class is the better film. IT IS. most have that opinions since most know the basic of what makes a better film factually.
Firstly you are an idiot so even if you were to take in RT as a metric it's a sham...no idiot what you mean is even if I were to take in aggregate scores I wouldn't rely on RT because RT is a sham, but as has been pointed out I believe in this thread or maybe the Venom is more profitable than Spidey HC thread you hijacked out of I think 9 possible metrics to judge a film on BP out classes FC 7 to 2, this indicates that no, simpleton no most people believe BP is a better film, you and I as fans of FC over BP are in the minority, just because we have our opinions doesn't discount anyone elses, you arrogant sack of faecal matter.
MCU fans have nothing? you mean like an exponentially growing fandom, an abundance of critical, fan and financial hits in front of them and behind them, that their franchise favourite is THE most financially successful film franchise in history, that the MCU or Marvel Studios is a blossoming brand in entertainment with not only multiple top 10 grossing films per year, but also a growing TV presence with hit live action streaming shows, long running network shows, multiple multi season animated shows, where as X-Men as you love it is a lame duck at this point, Sony only has the movies they can only put out so many of a year and nothing else.
And seems opinions on here about FC Vs. BP maybe mixed, some love one some love the other, some don't think much of fucking either, does it really matter if someone says eh I think both are overrated but out of the two I like FC better, they aint fucking praising the film, it would be like asking me would you rather be sodomised with a barbed wire dildo or have a sulphuric acid colonic, doesn't matter what I choose I don't want either of them, not like if I choose the acid I am giving it my stamp of approval, if you dislike something but choose it over another thing could be for any number of reason, the soundtrack could be better, you may just be a fan of a specific actor, their could be better titties on display or anything that doesn't account for actual quality you pea brained numpty.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Nov 23, 2018 21:16:26 GMT
Oh wow, a call-out thread. Nice to know I missed this yesterday.  Maybe I didn't make myself perfectly clear. I like both First Class and Black Panther, but Black Panther is FAR superior in my books. Maybe you can't deal with the fact that others don't share the same opinions for your precious X-Men franchise, a franchise which I love some installments (Logan, Deadpool, DOFP) and ones that don't (XO: Wolverine, Apocalypse). And a lot of people share the same opinions as me (box office, better audience reviews, etc). If you have a problem with us thinking the MCU is superior to FoX-Men, then I can't help you. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2018 3:39:48 GMT
I will say that I liked First Class more than Black Panther however I'm not completely unreasonable like summers8.
I feel BP is one of the more middling MCU films but still a decent 7.5/10 movie.
However if we were comparing FC to films like Infinity War, Civil War, The Avengers, Ragnarok, Iron Man, GOTG and Winter Soldier then I would definitely choose any of those seven MCU films over First Class.
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 24, 2018 4:05:28 GMT
I will say that I liked First Class more than Black Panther however I'm not completely unreasonable like summers8. I feel BP is one of the more middling MCU films but still a decent 7.5/10 movie. However if we were comparing FC to films like Infinity War, Civil War, The Avengers, Ragnarok, Iron Man, GOTG and Winter Soldier then I would definitely choose any of those seven MCU films over First Class. To be fair, there's nothing wrong with people liking one over the other. What made summers8's claim ridiculous is how he insists that it's factually impossible for BP to be the better movie. |
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 24, 2018 4:07:24 GMT
On a side note, whatever happened to Weirdraptor? I would have expected him to be all over this thread.
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Post by dazz on Nov 24, 2018 4:18:14 GMT
I will say that I liked First Class more than Black Panther however I'm not completely unreasonable like summers8. I feel BP is one of the more middling MCU films but still a decent 7.5/10 movie. However if we were comparing FC to films like Infinity War, Civil War, The Avengers, Ragnarok, Iron Man, GOTG and Winter Soldier then I would definitely choose any of those seven MCU films over First Class. To be fair, there's nothing wrong with people liking one over the other. What made summers8's claim ridiculous is how he insists that it's factually impossible for BP to be the better movie. See I thought the ridiculous thing was his claim that is it is factually impossible for more people to like BP than FC, you know despite actual proof not just personal opinion & preferences that back that statement up, because well he's a stark raving mad lunatic and knuckle dragging shit weasel. |
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Nov 24, 2018 4:36:30 GMT
On a side note, whatever happened to Weirdraptor? I would have expected him to be all over this thread. Didn't you hear, he was banned. |
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 24, 2018 4:45:57 GMT
On a side note, whatever happened to Weirdraptor? I would have expected him to be all over this thread. Didn't you hear, he was banned. Seriously?! Why? When? |
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Nov 24, 2018 4:54:06 GMT
Didn't you hear, he was banned. Seriously?! Why? When? I don't know the full details, but he had a heated argument with Admin via PM. |
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 24, 2018 5:05:52 GMT
I don't know the full details, but he had a heated argument with Admin via PM. Ah, yeah I think I saw some of that argument in one of the threads. Sad to see him go though. |
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Nov 24, 2018 6:08:09 GMT
I don't know the full details, but he had a heated argument with Admin via PM. Ah, yeah I think I saw some of that argument in one of the threads. Sad to see him go though. Indeed, but hey, he's a his forum that you're welcome to join. Familiar faces are there too. |
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Post by summers8 on Nov 24, 2018 12:27:39 GMT
Oh wow, a call-out thread. Nice to know I missed this yesterday. Maybe I didn't make myself perfectly clear. I like both First Class and Black Panther, but Black Panther is FAR superior in my books. Maybe you can't deal with the fact that others don't share the same opinions for your precious X-Men franchise, a franchise which I love some installments (Logan, Deadpool, DOFP) and ones that don't (XO: Wolverine, Apocalypse). And a lot of people share the same opinions as me (box office, better audience reviews, etc). If you have a problem with us thinking the MCU is superior to FoX-Men, then I can't help you. if black panther is superior you would give reasons like I did....real reasons. since you cant. it is inferior. here let me help you.
first class has superior visual effects.
LOL...I love how mcu fans are using words ...nouns but they can turn it to verbs.
they say black panther is superior and they cant explain why. those that say first class is superior can more than explain why. what a joke.
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Post by summers8 on Nov 24, 2018 12:28:41 GMT
To be fair, there's nothing wrong with people liking one over the other. What made summers8's claim ridiculous is how he insists that it's factually impossible for BP to be the better movie. See I thought the ridiculous thing was his claim that is it is factually impossible for more people to like BP than FC, you know despite actual proof not just personal opinion & preferences that back that statement up, because well he's a stark raving mad lunatic and knuckle dragging shit weasel. people can like both.
however people can easily tell the better film.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2018 13:57:57 GMT
3 pages in and no one has refuted summer8s OP on actual segments from the 2 movies. Can anyone show a clip from Black Panther that rivals the acting in the satellite dish scene? Or a BP scene which matches the intensity of Magneto killing Shaw with the coin? Or a scene which surpasses the cinematography of lifting the submarine scene? Lot of talk on critics scores and conjecture about box office. Nothing about actually studying both movies on a direct level. Deflections. Ok, he didn't show scenes from 2 movies, and I detest long chopped up responses on message boards back and forth that inhibit congruent communication. So I'll tackle his first subjective statement with a statement that is just as subjective and does absolutely nothing objective either: Ok. I'll make a similar subjective statement: 2 subjective observations. Two pretty good motivations to create a character bent on revenge. How can one be held in higher regard than the other? Show me how these two subjective observations can be objectively rectified as one being somehow factually more powerful than the other and we will continue through that load of subjective observations one by one. , I see you are still here, and the other guy is apparently gone. You are still asking for comparison today. You wanna tackle this one? |
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Post by summers8 on Nov 24, 2018 15:14:37 GMT
Ok, he didn't show scenes from 2 movies, and I detest long chopped up responses on message boards back and forth that inhibit congruent communication. So I'll tackle his first subjective statement with a statement that is just as subjective and does absolutely nothing objective either: Ok. I'll make a similar subjective statement: 2 subjective observations. Two pretty good motivations to create a character bent on revenge. How can one be held in higher regard than the other? Show me how these two subjective observations can be objectively rectified as one being somehow factually more powerful than the other and we will continue through that load of subjective observations one by one. , I see you are still here, and the other guy is apparently gone. You are still asking for comparison today. You wanna tackle this one? its not subjective.
let's put it this way. you have levels in school even game play.
basic intermediate advanced.
advanced are usually the hardest to overcome, once you pass the advanced you are the best or have done the best or met the best.
FC was working at advanced
BP was working at basic. (like most disney movies..even disney admits it, that their movies are basic)
eg, killmonger did not watch his dad die because it will be traumatising for disney, so they kept it simple, basic. magneto saw his mum die because FC was not scared to push the stories boundaries.
a viewer is more likely to get emotional seeing magneto loose his mum than killmonger did because magneto had to witness it and leave with the truma, killmonger does not.
these are the levels of story telling that is different in both films
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2018 15:21:09 GMT
summers8 , I see you are still here, and the other guy is apparently gone. You are still asking for comparison today. You wanna tackle this one? its not subjective. let's put it this way. you have levels in school even game play. basic intermediate advanced. advanced are usually the hardest to overcome, once you pass the advanced you are the best or have done the best or met the best. FC was working at advanced BP was working at basic. (like most disney movies..even disney admits it, that their movies are basic) eg, killmonger did not watch his dad die because it will be traumatising for disney, so they kept it simple, basic. magneto saw his mum die because FC was not scared to push the stories boundaries. a viewer is more likely to get emotional seeing magneto loose his mum than killmonger did because magneto had to witness it and leave with the truma, killmonger does not.
these are the levels of story telling that is different in both films
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Move goal posts much? Come on man! First it's more "powerful" and a comparison statement is given stating how someone would consider BP more "powerful", stating it's subjective. So now it's more "advanced". You give a "let's put it this way" so you can move the goal posts, avoiding the question. |
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Post by blockbusted on Nov 24, 2018 16:07:11 GMT
Oh wow, a call-out thread. Nice to know I missed this yesterday. Maybe I didn't make myself perfectly clear. I like both First Class and Black Panther, but Black Panther is FAR superior in my books. Maybe you can't deal with the fact that others don't share the same opinions for your precious X-Men franchise, a franchise which I love some installments (Logan, Deadpool, DOFP) and ones that don't (XO: Wolverine, Apocalypse). And a lot of people share the same opinions as me (box office, better audience reviews, etc). If you have a problem with us thinking the MCU is superior to FoX-Men, then I can't help you. if black panther is superior you would give reasons like I did....real reasons. since you cant. it is inferior. here let me help you.
first class has superior visual effects.
LOL...I love how mcu fans are using words ...nouns but they can turn it to verbs.
they say black panther is superior and they cant explain why. those that say first class is superior can more than explain why. what a joke.
I’m sorry, but ‘First Class’ has superior visual effects?!  Yeah, that that CGI during the end fight of ‘Black Panther’ leaves quite a bit to be desired, but the rest of the film has good-to-great CGI overall, making it more likely that the film ran out of its budget because the director got too carried away of bringing Wakanda to the big screen. ‘X-Men: First Class’ has cheap-looking CGI throughout the entire film, so that one has no excuse. Also, for what is worth, ‘Black Panther’ has MUCH better production values than ‘X-Men: First Class’ in terms of costumes, makeup, set design, and so on. On the other hand, the entire production values of ‘X-Men: First Class’ look rather cheap throughout the entire film. |
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Post by dazz on Nov 24, 2018 16:09:22 GMT
See I thought the ridiculous thing was his claim that is it is factually impossible for more people to like BP than FC, you know despite actual proof not just personal opinion & preferences that back that statement up, because well he's a stark raving mad lunatic and knuckle dragging shit weasel. people can like both.
however people can easily tell the better film.
Yes people can like both, I "like" BP im not just a massive fanboy of it like some others, the film imo has too many issues and I believe will not stand the test of time, though I admit that is my opinion and one I could be wrong about.
You on the other hand said this
"An MCU fan justanaveragejoe just said it is a dominant opinion black panther is better than first class which is factually impossible since black panther fails to have the depth that first class had ." You argued about the mass consensus among fans, one that is actually backed up by statistical facts that say the majority of people believe what justanaveragejoe said they did, you didn't argue that said opinion isn't based on merit but on outside factors, because if you were to judge the two films fairly then FC clearly has more depth, superior acting and a more coherent storyline, you argued because FC is a better movie that the opinion to the contrary must be impossible it isn't, because opinions are not based on fact but also emotion, preferences and spur of the moment whim.
Seriously you act like you are so superior to everyone but you are too flipping dumb to get how you said something stupid, that or you are too pompous and arrogant to admit to it, either way you sir are a bell end and a shitsicle now please kindly fuck the hell off.
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 24, 2018 17:38:39 GMT
Oh wow, a call-out thread. Nice to know I missed this yesterday. Maybe I didn't make myself perfectly clear. I like both First Class and Black Panther, but Black Panther is FAR superior in my books. Maybe you can't deal with the fact that others don't share the same opinions for your precious X-Men franchise, a franchise which I love some installments (Logan, Deadpool, DOFP) and ones that don't (XO: Wolverine, Apocalypse). And a lot of people share the same opinions as me (box office, better audience reviews, etc). If you have a problem with us thinking the MCU is superior to FoX-Men, then I can't help you. if black panther is superior you would give reasons like I did....real reasons. since you cant. it is inferior. here let me help you.
first class has superior visual effects.
LOL...I love how mcu fans are using words ...nouns but they can turn it to verbs.
they say black panther is superior and they cant explain why. those that say first class is superior can more than explain why. what a joke.
Ok. I'll give you one of my reasons. Black Panther has superior visual effects and cinematography. Nothing in FC is as visually stunning and vibrant as these: |
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Nov 24, 2018 21:28:40 GMT
Oh wow, a call-out thread. Nice to know I missed this yesterday. Maybe I didn't make myself perfectly clear. I like both First Class and Black Panther, but Black Panther is FAR superior in my books. Maybe you can't deal with the fact that others don't share the same opinions for your precious X-Men franchise, a franchise which I love some installments (Logan, Deadpool, DOFP) and ones that don't (XO: Wolverine, Apocalypse). And a lot of people share the same opinions as me (box office, better audience reviews, etc). If you have a problem with us thinking the MCU is superior to FoX-Men, then I can't help you. if black panther is superior you would give reasons like I did....real reasons. since you cant. it is inferior. here let me help you.
first class has superior visual effects.
LOL...I love how mcu fans are using words ...nouns but they can turn it to verbs.
they say black panther is superior and they cant explain why. those that say first class is superior can more than explain why. what a joke.
Ok, I'll bite, Black Panther DOES have excellent filmmaking technique. Take the casino scene in South Korea for example: Notice how starting at 0:54, it's all one continuous shot. Ryan Coogler does a fantastic job at directing his actors and cinematographer from not the making the scene look messy. In fact, it looks crisp and clean and it does not slow the action down. Does First Class have a scene done with 1 take? How about the 180 degree spin in this scene? Representing Wakanda's rule going upside down with a new king? Any complex shots like that in First Class? And this film does in fact has practical effects in it. Say what you will about the CGI rhinos and CGI fight scene, they flipped a real car. |
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