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Post by ThatGuy on May 7, 2019 17:09:12 GMT
The answer to all your questions are in the movie. Next time, maybe watch the movie first before posting a hate thread again? I think his hearing is connected to his eyes. So when he blinks he misses a lot of dialogue.
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Post by dazz on May 7, 2019 17:14:04 GMT
3. If Strange tells Tony what happens, he's changing the timeline. The last thing he wants to do in the one scenario they win is mess with the flow of events. If Strange told Tony what to do to ensure the winning outcome from happening, then why the fuck would Tony try to change it and do something else? That would be as stupid as if 2015 Biff gave 1955 Biff a sports almanac telling him the winners of all the games and 1955 Biff decides to bet on the losing teams instead of the winning teams. Like I said, Endgame makes no sense at all. God you are a dumb cúnt, it's not about telling Tony what to do or not to do but Tony being in the right mindset, this is evident by the fact when time came for Tony to use the stones Strange did tell him this is that 1 chance they have, because in that moment Tony knowing this is it doesn't change anything, but earlier in the battle when Tony still has 1000 choices to make Tony "knowing" this is the 1 chance means how he behaves will be different, he will likely be more cocky and assured that nothing can go wrong, which is the wrong mindset for him to be in, he needed to be in the mindset he was in so he followed through when he did and pulled back when he did also because it kept him alive and in the game, Tony goes in cocky and gets killed that's their one shot fucked.
The BTTF comparison is retarded which is normal from you, that's Biff giving himself a playbook to follow, exact moves to make when and where and for how much for, Biff doesn't just know who to bet on but when to, he knows to hold out for the best odds to get the best payouts also, Strange wasn't going to be able to give Tony an exact recap of what will happen because doing so would require both of them to be out of the battle which the clearly needed to be involved in, Tony as such doesn't know what action he takes will be the key to victory but he would likely believe every action could be the key to victory altering his game plan.
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Post by dazz on May 7, 2019 17:21:31 GMT
The answer to all your questions are in the movie. Next time, maybe watch the movie first before posting a hate thread again? I think his hearing is connected to his eyes. So when he blinks he misses a lot of dialogue. I think it's more that it's hard to hear or see what's going on when one has their head so far up ones own arsehole, explains why he thinks everything looks like shit also.
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Post by miike80 on May 7, 2019 17:26:03 GMT
I think his hearing is connected to his eyes. So when he blinks he misses a lot of dialogue. I think it's more that it's hard to hear or see what's going on when one has their head so far up ones own arsehole, explains why he thinks everything looks like shit also. That cam quality copy surely didn't help either
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Post by DC-Fan on May 7, 2019 17:33:02 GMT
If Thanos had his own time machine, he wouldn't have needed to use the Avengers time machine. Therefore, he did not have his own time machine ... and the flaw in your argument revolves around your misunderstanding of the expotential affect of pym particles on large masses. Boy, that was easy. I hope you didn't invest too much time in this argument.
Are you that dim?
He's a Patriots fan and Patriots fans are really dim. They actually believe the BS that Tom Brady's equipment guy Jim "The Deflator" McNally called himself "The Deflator" because he was trying to lose weight and not because he was illegally deflating footballs to help Shady Brady cheat. LOL!!! Shady Brady gets caught using deflated footballs in a championship game and Shady Brady's equipment guy just happens to call himself "The Deflator". It's so obvious that Brady's equipment guy (who calls himself "The Deflator") deflated the footballs to help Shady Brady cheat. But dim-witted Patriots fans still can't accept that.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 7, 2019 17:38:11 GMT
No, Endgame gets tine travel wrong, 1st, none of you have answered the question: What law of time travel says that if someone is told something will happen, then that something won't happen? 2nd, it's a basic law of time travel that if a past person dies, then the present and future person ceases to exist. It's the same person so there's just no way around that basic law of time travel. This is incredibly straightforward. The Endgame writers were too stupid to understand that simple concept so they got lazy and tried to make up some bullshit excuse for their bad writing. You do know we are dealing with the multiverse, right? The characters from the past aren't the same as the ones in the present. They didn't kill Thanos twice. They killed 2 different Thanos. That Nebula isn't the same Nebula as the one that was with the Avengers. That is not the same Gamora. Thanos, Nebula and Gamora from the current timeline never went into the future so the ones from the past are divergences. They even explained in the movie that if you take something off it's course then it starts a new timeline. They also said that it doesn't affect the current timeline. They've had multiple scenes explaining this.
BULLSHIT!!! There weren't 2 different Thanos or 2 different Nebulas. Like Thanos said in the movie, it's not 2 different Nebulas, it's the same Nebula in 2 different time periods. That's why Past Nebula and Present Nebula share the same memories. Because they're the SAME Nebula!
And when Past Nebula died, Present Nebula would no longer exist because Past Nebula is the SAME Nebula as Present Nebula but just in an earlier time. And similarly, when Past Thanos traveled to the present, he skipped over the events of Infinity War so the events of Infinity War and Endgame would've never happened. It's a HUGE PLOTHOLE!
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Post by DC-Fan on May 7, 2019 17:40:06 GMT
Thanks for failing to answer the question. I did answer the question, and Taylorfirst expanded upon it quite nicely. There is no reason to think that a "Pym event" must be tied to a single person. No reason except that Scott Lang specifically said that each person needed their own separate Pym particle to travel through time. So you FAILED to answer the question.
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Post by dazz on May 7, 2019 17:40:27 GMT
Um yeah, he needs Pym particles to do that. Not sure why you keep bringing up other films when they explain in this film that other movies got time travel wrong. 1 Nebula as in the same person in two different time periods. (As opposed to a clone, a twin, etc.) This stuff is incredibly straightforward. Blame your school system and your mother for your failures at comprehension, don't blame the MCU. No, Endgame gets tine travel wrong, 1st, none of you have answered the question: What law of time travel says that if someone is told something will happen, then that something won't happen? 2nd, it's a basic law of time travel that if a past person dies, then the present and future person ceases to exist. It's the same person so there's just no way around that basic law of time travel. This is incredibly straightforward. The Endgame writers were too stupid to understand that simple concept so they got lazy and tried to make up some bullshit excuse for their bad writing. 1: Actually quite a lot of time travel stories have this be an issue, too much knowledge changes how things go, it's the butterfly effect altering one small instance can have a chain reaction of events which greatly alter the future, such as in theory telling someone hey don't worry about that interview tomorrow you don't get the job anyway, seems relatively minor right? but what if they decided fuck it if I am not getting the job why bother going, but what is meant to happen is the go to the interview and don't get the job but walking home they happen to bump into their future wife, or buy a scratch card that wins them $100,000, huge ramifications on knowing something so minor, that is the point.
2: No it's what happens in one idea of time travel, the type specifically called wrong in this film, there are no laws for time travel just theoretical ones depending on the variances you adhere to, such as yes in a single but malleable timeline those rules apply, but this film follows the idea of diverging timelines a theory which have also been around for year and a lot of time travel stories also follow, changing the past in these stories does not alter the present, it simply creates a new timeline separate from your own, so seems the only one too stupid around here is you for not being able to get this, which is sad considering they specifically state this in the movie, also the BTTF version of time travel is flawed because it means whatever you change will change you, Marty should never have remembered his family being as it was before he changed things because by changing the past it changed his present and his own past, so by the end of the film he should have never remembered his dad being a wuss because his dad wouldn't have been.
BTTF is as they said bullshit, still an incredible movie but bullshit time travel mechanics.
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Post by dazz on May 7, 2019 17:45:37 GMT
You do know we are dealing with the multiverse, right? The characters from the past aren't the same as the ones in the present. They didn't kill Thanos twice. They killed 2 different Thanos. That Nebula isn't the same Nebula as the one that was with the Avengers. That is not the same Gamora. Thanos, Nebula and Gamora from the current timeline never went into the future so the ones from the past are divergences. They even explained in the movie that if you take something off it's course then it starts a new timeline. They also said that it doesn't affect the current timeline. They've had multiple scenes explaining this.
BULLSHIT!!! There weren't 2 different Thanos or 2 different Nebulas. Like Thanos said in the movie, it's not 2 different Nebulas, it's the same Nebula in 2 different time periods. That's why Past Nebula and Present Nebula share the same memories. Because they're the SAME Nebula!
And when Past Nebula died, Present Nebula would no longer exist because Past Nebula is the SAME Nebula as Present Nebula but just in an earlier time. And similarly, when Past Thanos traveled to the present, he skipped over the events of Infinity War so the events of Infinity War and Endgame would've never happened. It's a HUGE PLOTHOLE!
No stupid they shared memories because they share the same frequency tuned artificial implants in their brains, this is why Nebula and ONLY Nebula had issues connecting with the mind of her past self, and not Tony, Cap, Scott, Thor, Rocket, Banner, Natasha or Clint.
And yes it's the same Nebula in that they are both the "real" Nebula's as neither is a fake or clone but both being the real versions, just from different timelines, good Nebula is from Timeline A bad Nebula is from Timeline B, it's not that hard top understand if you have a functioning brain.
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Post by bud47 on May 7, 2019 18:06:25 GMT
You do know we are dealing with the multiverse, right? The characters from the past aren't the same as the ones in the present. They didn't kill Thanos twice. They killed 2 different Thanos. That Nebula isn't the same Nebula as the one that was with the Avengers. That is not the same Gamora. Thanos, Nebula and Gamora from the current timeline never went into the future so the ones from the past are divergences. They even explained in the movie that if you take something off it's course then it starts a new timeline. They also said that it doesn't affect the current timeline. They've had multiple scenes explaining this.
BULLSHIT!!! There weren't 2 different Thanos or 2 different Nebulas. Like Thanos said in the movie, it's not 2 different Nebulas, it's the same Nebula in 2 different time periods. That's why Past Nebula and Present Nebula share the same memories. Because they're the SAME Nebula!
And when Past Nebula died, Present Nebula would no longer exist because Past Nebula is the SAME Nebula as Present Nebula but just in an earlier time. And similarly, when Past Thanos traveled to the present, he skipped over the events of Infinity War so the events of Infinity War and Endgame would've never happened. It's a HUGE PLOTHOLE!
The time travel mechanics used in this film are not the same as the ones used in other films. Why is this so hard for you to understand? They actually brought in multiple physicists to advise for this film. You're still trying to apply the rules used in Back to The Future as if that was the official law of time travel. Time travel isn't real. There are no "laws of time travel". Only theories. The theory agreed upon by most physicists is closer to how Banner explains it in this film and that most other time travel films actually got it wrong. The two Nebulas in this film are from two different realities. They are only able to share memories because they are sharing the same neural network as explained in the film.
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Post by bud47 on May 7, 2019 18:12:30 GMT
I did answer the question, and Taylorfirst expanded upon it quite nicely. There is no reason to think that a "Pym event" must be tied to a single person. No reason except that Scott Lang specifically said that each person needed their own separate Pym particle to travel through time. So you FAILED to answer the question. No, the vessel needs it's own Pym particles, not the person. The way I understood it is that the Avengers use the quantum suits as wearable vessels so that each individual could travel independently, while Thanos uses his ship as a vessel to transport it and everyone on board. Think of the quantum suit or Thanos's ship kind of like a pod or a transport vehicle (like the DeLorean or Bill and Ted's phone booth). The vessel is sent through time. The person, persons or objects inside or attached to the vessel are just along for the ride.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 7, 2019 18:14:12 GMT
BULLSHIT!!! There weren't 2 different Thanos or 2 different Nebulas. Like Thanos said in the movie, it's not 2 different Nebulas, it's the same Nebula in 2 different time periods. That's why Past Nebula and Present Nebula share the same memories. Because they're the SAME Nebula!
And when Past Nebula died, Present Nebula would no longer exist because Past Nebula is the SAME Nebula as Present Nebula but just in an earlier time. And similarly, when Past Thanos traveled to the present, he skipped over the events of Infinity War so the events of Infinity War and Endgame would've never happened. It's a HUGE PLOTHOLE!
The two Nebulas in this film are from two different realities. They are only able to share memories because they are sharing the same neural network as explained in the film. No, Thanos said in the movie that it's not 2 different Nebulas, it's the SAME Nebula in 2 different time periods. Are you dismissing what was said in the movie? Past Nebula and Present Nebula shared memories because they're the SAME Nebula. Just like Past Tony Stark and Present Tony Stark are the SAME Tony Stark and that's why Present Tony Stark has all the memories of everything that Past Tony Stark experienced. That's why Present Tony Stark knew to hide and keep out of sight when he traveled to 2008 and the Avengers had Loki surrounded. Because Present Tony Stark has all the memories of Past Tony Stark! And similarly, when Past Thanos traveled to the present, he skipped over the events of Infinity War so the events of Infinity War and Endgame would've never happened. It's a HUGE PLOTHOLE!
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Post by DC-Fan on May 7, 2019 18:16:54 GMT
No reason except that Scott Lang specifically said that each person needed their own separate Pym particle to travel through time. So you FAILED to answer the question. No, the vessel needs it's own Pym particles, not the person. The way I understood it is that the Avengers use the quantum suits as wearable vessels so that each individual could travel independently, while Thanos uses his ship as a vessel to transport it and everyone on board. Think of the quantum suit or Thanos's ship kind of like a pod or a transport vehicle (like the DeLorean or Bill and Ted's phone booth). The vessel is sent through time. The person, persons or objects inside or attached to the vessel are just along for the ride. No, the vessel isn't alive and doesn't use Pym particles. It's each person that needs a Pym particle. Otherwise, if all it takes is to be inside the vessel to transport the vessel, then being inside a building would also transport the entire building. But buildings aren't transported because it's not the building the uses Pym particles, it's each person that needs a Pym particle.
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Post by bud47 on May 7, 2019 18:17:16 GMT
The two Nebulas in this film are from two different realities. They are only able to share memories because they are sharing the same neural network as explained in the film. No, Thanos said in the movie that it's not 2 different Nebulas, it's the SAME Nebula in 2 different time periods. Are you dismissing what was said in the movie? Past Nebula and Present Nebula shared memories because they're the SAME Nebula. Just like Past Tony Stark and Present Tony Stark are the SAME Tony Stark and that's why Present Tony Stark has all the memories of everything that Past Tony Stark experienced. That's why Present Tony Stark knew to hide and keep out of sight when he traveled to 2008 and the Avengers had Loki surrounded. Because Present Tony Stark has all the memories of Past Tony Stark! And similarly, when Past Thanos traveled to the present, he skipped over the events of Infinity War so the events of Infinity War and Endgame would've never happened. It's a HUGE PLOTHOLE! Why do I even bother.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 7, 2019 18:29:19 GMT
No, the vessel needs it's own Pym particles, not the person. The way I understood it is that the Avengers use the quantum suits as wearable vessels so that each individual could travel independently, while Thanos uses his ship as a vessel to transport it and everyone on board. Think of the quantum suit or Thanos's ship kind of like a pod or a transport vehicle (like the DeLorean or Bill and Ted's phone booth). The vessel is sent through time. The person, persons or objects inside or attached to the vessel are just along for the ride. No, the vessel isn't alive and doesn't use Pym particles. It's each person that needs a Pym particle. Otherwise, if all it takes is to be inside the vessel to transport the vessel, then being inside a building would also transport the entire building. But buildings aren't transported because it's not the building the uses Pym particles, it's each person that needs a Pym particle. Day two of "1+1=3!!!"
Anyway, the Pym particles shrink down buildings and everything inside them in the Ant-Man movies. It's established canon. In Endgame, they shrink down the Guardians' ship. They even close up on the ship in Hawkeye's hand and Rocket makes Clint promise to bring it back.
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Post by bud47 on May 7, 2019 18:51:19 GMT
No, the vessel isn't alive and doesn't use Pym particles. It's each person that needs a Pym particle. Otherwise, if all it takes is to be inside the vessel to transport the vessel, then being inside a building would also transport the entire building. But buildings aren't transported because it's not the building the uses Pym particles, it's each person that needs a Pym particle. Day two of "1+1=3!!!"
Anyway, the Pym particles shrink down buildings and everything inside them in the Ant-Man movies. It's established canon. In Endgame, they shrink down the Guardians' ship. They even close up on the ship in Hawkeye's hand and Rocket makes Clint promise to bring it back. Also, in Ant-Man and the Wasp, there are several scenes where vehicles are shrunken down with the characters inside.
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Post by sostie on May 7, 2019 19:02:59 GMT
No, the vessel needs it's own Pym particles, not the person. The way I understood it is that the Avengers use the quantum suits as wearable vessels so that each individual could travel independently, while Thanos uses his ship as a vessel to transport it and everyone on board. Think of the quantum suit or Thanos's ship kind of like a pod or a transport vehicle (like the DeLorean or Bill and Ted's phone booth). The vessel is sent through time. The person, persons or objects inside or attached to the vessel are just along for the ride. No, the vessel isn't alive and doesn't use Pym particles. It's each person that needs a Pym particle. Otherwise, if all it takes is to be inside the vessel to transport the vessel, then being inside a building would also transport the entire building. But buildings aren't transported because it's not the building the uses Pym particles, it's each person that needs a Pym particle. What do the Pym particles do? Shrink a mass down to a size that can travel the Quantum Realm to a point in time. It uses the the same technology as the Ant Man suit...a technology which in turn could shrink items organic and non-organic. Cars & buildings and those contained within could be shrunk in the Ant Man films. The Pym Particles shrink a certain mass. I'm sure a Thanos "a supergenius in virtually all known fields of advanced science" as described in his biography, and Ebony Maw, a master of magic, could between them work out how to apply the shrinking to the larger mass of Thanos's ship. It doesn't matter what the size of something is, what is contained within or whether it is organic or in-organic. The particles reduce the mass it has been set to reduce. Which THEN allows them to travel the quantum realm
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Post by DC-Fan on May 7, 2019 19:05:34 GMT
Day two of "1+1=3!!!"
Anyway, the Pym particles shrink down buildings and everything inside them in the Ant-Man movies. It's established canon. In Endgame, they shrink down the Guardians' ship. They even close up on the ship in Hawkeye's hand and Rocket makes Clint promise to bring it back. Also, in Ant-Man and the Wasp, there are several scenes where vehicles are shrunken down with the characters inside. That's irrelevant now since the Russos confirmed that Thanos replicated Pym particles for everyone on his ship. So as charzhino wrote, given that Thanos could replicate as many Pym particles as he needed, the Endgame final battle was really contrived and lazy writing.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 7, 2019 19:08:28 GMT
No, the vessel isn't alive and doesn't use Pym particles. It's each person that needs a Pym particle. Otherwise, if all it takes is to be inside the vessel to transport the vessel, then being inside a building would also transport the entire building. But buildings aren't transported because it's not the building the uses Pym particles, it's each person that needs a Pym particle. What do the Pym particles do? Shrink a mass down to a size that can travel the Quantum Realm to a point in time. It uses the the same technology as the Ant Man suit...a technology which in turn could shrink items organic and non-organic. Cars & buildings and those contained within could be shrunk in the Ant Man films. The Pym Particles shrink a certain mass. I'm sure a Thanos "a supergenius in virtually all known fields of advanced science" as described in his biography, and Ebony Maw, a master of magic, could between them work out how to apply the shrinking to the larger mass of Thanos's ship. It doesn't matter what the size of something is, what is contained within or whether it is organic or in-organic. The particles reduce the mass it has been set to reduce. Which THEN allows them to travel the quantum realm That's irrelevant now since the Russos confirmed that Thanos replicated Pym particles for everyone on his ship. So as charzhino wrote, given that Thanos could replicate as many Pym particles as he needed, the Endgame final battle was really contrived and lazy writing.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 7, 2019 19:09:59 GMT
Also, in Ant-Man and the Wasp, there are several scenes where vehicles are shrunken down with the characters inside. That's irrelevant now since the Russos confirmed that Thanos replicated Pym particles for everyone on his ship. So as charzhino wrote, given that Thanos could replicate as many Pym particles as he needed, the Endgame final battle was really contrived and lazy writing. And as I pointed out in that thread, there's no reason for Thanos to go back in time when he can just confront the Avengers in their own time, knowing he's defeated them already. Thanos going back and retrieving the stones even farther in the past makes the story redundant and overly contrived. Just stop the Avengers in their timeline instead of hopping all over the place looking for the stones that you already had in the future. You guys are slow on the uptake but we're used to it by now.
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