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Post by Skaathar on Jun 28, 2019 14:12:18 GMT
If you didn't make anything up then go ahead and quote exactly what Banner said where he supposedly claimed that futures were predetermined. Banner confirmed it in Endgame when he said they can't change the past. And since the 2023 is the past to someone in 2028 or 2033 or any time in the future, that automatically means they also can't change the present or the future. So according to Banner (and the Endgame writers) EVERYTHING in MCU is already pre-determined and set in stone and no one has any free will to change their path. Like I said, don't blame me for this. This is how the Endgame writers wrote it. So if you have a complaint about this, then go take it up with the Endgame writers. Liar. Banner never confirmed it.
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Post by bud47 on Jun 28, 2019 14:47:55 GMT
If you didn't make anything up then go ahead and quote exactly what Banner said where he supposedly claimed that futures were predetermined. Banner confirmed it in Endgame when he said they can't change the past. And since the 2023 is the past to someone in 2028 or 2033 or any time in the future, that automatically means they also can't change the present or the future. So according to Banner (and the Endgame writers) EVERYTHING in MCU is already pre-determined and set in stone and no one has any free will to change their path. Like I said, don't blame me for this. This is how the Endgame writers wrote it. So if you have a complaint about this, then go take it up with the Endgame writers. So instead of providing the exact quote, you're just going to keep repeating your personal opinion as if it were fact like a parrot?
Do you think time travel is real? Because it isn't. There are no set rules. Only scientific theory and science fiction. Plenty of room for creative and dramatic license.
"that automatically means..." LOL.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Jun 28, 2019 16:27:30 GMT
If you didn't make anything up then go ahead and quote exactly what Banner said where he supposedly claimed that futures were predetermined. Banner confirmed it in Endgame when he said they can't change the past. And since the 2023 is the past to someone in 2028 or 2033 or any time in the future, that automatically means they also can't change the present or the future. So according to Banner (and the Endgame writers) EVERYTHING in MCU is already pre-determined and set in stone and no one has any free will to change their path. Like I said, don't blame me for this. This is how the Endgame writers wrote it. So if you have a complaint about this, then go take it up with the Endgame writers. Not quite sure how you made it to that conclusion. Just because you can't change your past doesn't mean the future in set. You still have a choices. But once you make em, you can't change it. That doesn't mean the future is set. But at least you're finally admitting you were wrong though.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 28, 2019 20:37:38 GMT
Banner confirmed it in Endgame when he said they can't change the past. And since the 2023 is the past to someone in 2028 or 2033 or any time in the future, that automatically means they also can't change the present or the future. So according to Banner (and the Endgame writers) EVERYTHING in MCU is already pre-determined and set in stone and no one has any free will to change their path. Like I said, don't blame me for this. This is how the Endgame writers wrote it. So if you have a complaint about this, then go take it up with the Endgame writers. Liar. Banner never confirmed it. Yes, he did.
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Post by Skaathar on Jun 28, 2019 21:35:11 GMT
Liar. Banner never confirmed it. Yes, he did. No he didn't, liar. Feel free to prove me wrong by quoting exactly what he said.
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Post by poutinep on Jun 28, 2019 22:28:56 GMT
Liar. Banner never confirmed it. Yes, he did. You didn't watch Endgame. Or Homecoming. Or Captain Marvel. Stop talking about them, troll. You have less than zero credibility.
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Post by damngumby on Jun 28, 2019 23:03:28 GMT
Liar. Banner never confirmed it. Yes, he did. If Banner "confirmed" that the future was unalterable, then he wouldn't have made any effort to alter the outcome of Endgame ... since it was going to happen in a predetermined way, no matter what he did. He did make an effort, therefore he was aware that the future was not set. I bet a 5th grader can grasp that. Why can't you? MCU - the future is not predetermined. DCEU - the future is predetermined via destiny. Don't blame me if you don't like this inevitable conclusion. Blame yourself.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 29, 2019 1:01:19 GMT
Banner confirmed it in Endgame when he said they can't change the past. And since the 2023 is the past to someone in 2028 or 2033 or any time in the future, that automatically means they also can't change the present or the future. So according to Banner (and the Endgame writers) EVERYTHING in MCU is already pre-determined and set in stone and no one has any free will to change their path. Like I said, don't blame me for this. This is how the Endgame writers wrote it. So if you have a complaint about this, then go take it up with the Endgame writers. Not quite sure how you made it to that conclusion. Just because you can't change your past doesn't mean the future in set. You still have a choices. But once you make em, you can't change it. That doesn't mean the future is set. But at least you're finally admitting you were wrong though. I'm not wrong. I'm 100% correct. And according to Banner, you can't change the future because you can't change the past and the future is the past to someone in the future. It's such a simple concept that it's simply astonishing that some of you MCU fans don't understand that simple concept.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 29, 2019 1:07:57 GMT
Banner confirmed it in Endgame when he said they can't change the past. And since the 2023 is the past to someone in 2028 or 2033 or any time in the future, that automatically means they also can't change the present or the future. So according to Banner (and the Endgame writers) EVERYTHING in MCU is already pre-determined and set in stone and no one has any free will to change their path. Like I said, don't blame me for this. This is how the Endgame writers wrote it. So if you have a complaint about this, then go take it up with the Endgame writers. Do you think time travel is real? Because it isn't. There are no set rules.
This isn't about the rules of time travel. This is about the rules of time itself. The laws of gravity work the same whether in the present, the past, or the future. The speed of light is the same whether in the present, the past, or the future. And the rules of time must be the same in the present, the past, or the future. So when Banner says they can't change the past, that automatically means they can't change the present or the future because the present and the future are already the past for someone in the distant future. And like I said, the rules must be the same for everyone, whether they're in 2023 or 2028 or 2033 or beyond. The Endgame's writers are trying to apply 2 different sets of rules to 2023 vs 2028 and 2033 and beyond. But that's not possible because the rules must be the same for everyone, whether they're in 2023 or 2028 or 2033 or beyond. So either the Endgame writers' fucked up and came up with something that was inconsistent and made no sense at all, or if you do accept Banner's claim that they can't change the past, then that also automatically means they can't change the present or the future because the present and the future are already the past to someone in the distant future.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 29, 2019 1:11:49 GMT
If Banner "confirmed" that the future was unalterable, then he wouldn't have made any effort to alter the outcome of Endgame ... since it was going to happen in a predetermined way, no matter what he did. He did make an effort Because the Endgame writers were trying to apply 2 different sets of rules so this is just another example of inconsistent and really bad writing by the Endgame writers. therefore he was aware that the future was not set. No, Banner clearly confirmed when the said that they can't change the past that the future is pre-determined and set in stone and thus no one in MCU has any free will to choose a different path. Because the future is already the past for someone in the distant future. It's such a simple concept that it's simply astonishing that so many MCU fans still don't understand that simple concept.
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Post by Skaathar on Jun 29, 2019 1:36:51 GMT
Not quite sure how you made it to that conclusion. Just because you can't change your past doesn't mean the future in set. You still have a choices. But once you make em, you can't change it. That doesn't mean the future is set. But at least you're finally admitting you were wrong though. I'm not wrong. I'm 100% correct. And according to Banner, you can't change the future because you can't change the past and the future is the past to someone in the future. It's such a simple concept that it's simply astonishing that some of you MCU fans don't understand that simple concept. Liar. Banner never said you can't change the future.
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Post by TheMack on Jun 29, 2019 1:51:51 GMT
Banner confirmed it in Endgame when he said they can't change the past. And since the 2023 is the past to someone in 2028 or 2033 or any time in the future, that automatically means they also can't change the present or the future. So according to Banner (and the Endgame writers) EVERYTHING in MCU is already pre-determined and set in stone and no one has any free will to change their path. Like I said, don't blame me for this. This is how the Endgame writers wrote it. So if you have a complaint about this, then go take it up with the Endgame writers. Not quite sure how you made it to that conclusion. Just because you can't change your past doesn't mean the future in set. You still have a choices. But once you make em, you can't change it. That doesn't mean the future is set. But at least you're finally admitting you were wrong though. You illiterate buffoon. Look what you just wrote. What does "future in set" mean? Then you repeat the exact same sentence. Punch yourself in the face, you idiot. Maybe that's something you can get right.....
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Jun 29, 2019 2:00:54 GMT
Not quite sure how you made it to that conclusion. Just because you can't change your past doesn't mean the future in set. You still have a choices. But once you make em, you can't change it. That doesn't mean the future is set. But at least you're finally admitting you were wrong though. I'm not wrong. I'm 100% correct. And according to Banner, you can't change the future because you can't change the past and the future is the past to someone in the future. It's such a simple concept that it's simply astonishing that some of you MCU fans don't understand that simple concept. So you're admitting that there's no plot hole or inconsistency with Endgame's rules of time travel. Glad you finally seen the light.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Jun 29, 2019 2:05:27 GMT
Not quite sure how you made it to that conclusion. Just because you can't change your past doesn't mean the future in set. You still have a choices. But once you make em, you can't change it. That doesn't mean the future is set. But at least you're finally admitting you were wrong though. You illiterate buffoon. Look what you just wrote. What does "future in set" mean? Then you repeat the exact same sentence. Punch yourself in the face, you idiot. Maybe that's something you can get right..... Considering that I've never actually genuinely seen you post on the Marvel or DC boards, I'm just going to assume you're stalking my threads and posts because I must have gotten to you in some compacity.
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Post by TheMack on Jun 29, 2019 2:08:33 GMT
You illiterate buffoon. Look what you just wrote. What does "future in set" mean? Then you repeat the exact same sentence. Punch yourself in the face, you idiot. Maybe that's something you can get right..... I 've never actually genuinely seen you post on the Marvel or DC boards, For good reason. I'm not a 14 year old, nor do I have the mind of one, like some people....
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Jun 29, 2019 2:11:40 GMT
I 've never actually genuinely seen you post on the Marvel or DC boards, For good reason. I'm not a 14 year old, nor do I have the mind of one, like some people.... So you admit you're stalking my posts. Thanks for that. Sure you may not be a 14yr old, but you clearly don't have much of a life getting into pointless arguments with me.
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Post by damngumby on Jun 29, 2019 2:45:53 GMT
No, Banner clearly confirmed when the said that they can't change the past that the future is pre-determined and set in stone and thus no one in MCU has any free will to choose a different path. Because the future is already the past for someone in the distant future. It's such a simple concept that it's simply astonishing that so many MCU fans still don't understand that simple concept. There was no someone from the future or distant future in Infinity War/Endgame. Any moment in time beyond the present day has yet to occur and therefore does not exist. Travel to the past does not change what has already occurred, instead it creates a new timeline with it's own present day and undetermined future. I'm pretty sure that was explained in the movie. Because of this, there is actually endless opportunities to exercise free will in the MCU, depending on how much time traveling is going on. MCU : free will. DCEU : fixed destiny.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 29, 2019 3:51:12 GMT
I'm not wrong. I'm 100% correct. And according to Banner, you can't change the future because you can't change the past and the future is the past to someone in the future. It's such a simple concept that it's simply astonishing that some of you MCU fans don't understand that simple concept. Banner never said you can't change the future. Banner confirmed it in Endgame when he said they can't change the past. And since the 2023 is the past to someone in 2028 or 2033 or any time in the future, that automatically means they also can't change the present or the future. So according to Banner (and the Endgame writers) EVERYTHING in MCU is already pre-determined and set in stone and no one has any free will to change their path. Like I said, don't blame me for this. This is how the Endgame writers wrote it. So if you have a complaint about this, then go take it up with the Endgame writers.
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Post by dazz on Jun 29, 2019 4:18:54 GMT
Banner never said you can't change the future. Banner confirmed it in Endgame when he said they can't change the past. And since the 2023 is the past to someone in 2028 or 2033 or any time in the future, that automatically means they also can't change the present or the future. So according to Banner (and the Endgame writers) EVERYTHING in MCU is already pre-determined and set in stone and no one has any free will to change their path. Like I said, don't blame me for this. This is how the Endgame writers wrote it. So if you have a complaint about this, then go take it up with the Endgame writers. You repeating the lie that Banner confirmed this or that doesn't make it fact, in fact he didn't confirm anything he simply argued how the BTTF theory of time travel doesn't work, which is what you cannot wrap you squirrel shit sized brain around, Banner never time travelled at that point nor had Nebula, they were spouting theory, and how the dynamic timeline theory doesn't make sense because any change to the past changes it's future AKA your present, which if your present cease's to be so do you, meaning you cannot exist to change the past...but in a multiverse that goes out the window, Banner stated a theory on time travel based on a set parameter of thinking, wehich turned out to be wrong...shock and fucking horror a character having an educated guess at how something theoretical works was wrong in a fucking movie, jesus Christ.
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Post by damngumby on Jun 29, 2019 6:17:02 GMT
Banner never said you can't change the future. Banner confirmed it in Endgame when he said they can't change the past. And since the 2023 is the past to someone in 2028 or 2033 or any time in the future, that automatically means they also can't change the present or the future. So according to Banner (and the Endgame writers) EVERYTHING in MCU is already pre-determined and set in stone and no one has any free will to change their path. Like I said, don't blame me for this. This is how the Endgame writers wrote it. So if you have a complaint about this, then go take it up with the Endgame writers. There is no someone in the future. By definition, the future is something that has not occurred yet. It is unoccupied. In the MCU, if you travel to the past, you kick off a new timeline with it's own indeterminate future, a future that has not occurred yet. You are not a time traveler from the future of the new timeline, you are a time traveler from the original timeline. If you wish to return to the original timeline, you must return to it's present. If you return to any point in it's past, you will find yourself in yet another (newly created) timeline where everyone (again) has the free will to shape the future of that particular timeline. Therefore, nothing is predetermined in the MCU ... you are 100% wrong ... and the blame is wholly on you. Congratulations, champ.
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