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Post by ThatGuy on Jun 29, 2019 12:31:17 GMT
Exactly. Back to where you were. Were is used when talking about the past, correct? Just because where you was is the future doesn't mean it is not your past. The BACK in that context isn't referring to a time period. The BACK in that context is simply referring to a starting point. Like when I say "I'm flying BACK West this weekend" or even "I'm flying BACK home this weekend", that's not referring to any time period. That's simply referring to a starting point. You do know, even in that context, "back" still means somewhere you've been before, right? You know, in your past... No matter the context, "back" means something behind you. Starting point is a place you came from. In the past. If you are "flying back home," you've been there in the past. If you are "flying home," that could be a place you've been to or a new place. If you "fly back west," you've been there. If you say "I'm flying out west," doesn't mean you've been there before.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jun 29, 2019 12:36:32 GMT
( reads through six pages of explaining time travel) It's not about explaining time travel , but the rules a fictional story laid out for their time travel.
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Post by Skaathar on Jun 29, 2019 14:50:00 GMT
Banner never said you can't change the future. Banner confirmed it in Endgame when he said they can't change the past. And since the 2023 is the past to someone in 2028 or 2033 or any time in the future, that automatically means they also can't change the present or the future. So according to Banner (and the Endgame writers) EVERYTHING in MCU is already pre-determined and set in stone and no one has any free will to change their path. Like I said, don't blame me for this. This is how the Endgame writers wrote it. So if you have a complaint about this, then go take it up with the Endgame writers. Liar. Banner never confirmed it. Copy and paste the same message again and that would be proof of you admitting that you're a liar and a troll.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 29, 2019 18:15:46 GMT
Banner confirmed it in Endgame when he said they can't change the past. And since the 2023 is the past to someone in 2028 or 2033 or any time in the future, that automatically means they also can't change the present or the future. So according to Banner (and the Endgame writers) EVERYTHING in MCU is already pre-determined and set in stone and no one has any free will to change their path. Like I said, don't blame me for this. This is how the Endgame writers wrote it. So if you have a complaint about this, then go take it up with the Endgame writers. There is no someone in the future. By definition, the future is something that has not occurred yet. It is unoccupied. WRONG AGAIN!!! If there was no future, then past Nebula wouldn't have been able to access 2023 Nebula's memories because 2023 Nebula wouldn't exist from past Nebula's perspective. You're still looking at it form a linear point of view. But time travel doesn't follow a linear, sequential path. The whole point of time travel is that someone can jump to any point in time (past or future) in any random order. That's why 1985 Marty can travel to 2015 (and skip over 30 years) without having to wait for 1986 through 2014 to happen. Because time travel doesn't follow a linear, sequential path. That's also why Strange's so-called "winning" scenario also isn't a winning scenario but actually a losing scenario. Because past Nebula can access future Nebula's memories at any point in time without having to wait an hour for the end of the movie and thus past Nebula already knows that Thanos and his entire army would be defeated in 2023. So Thanos would also know that and thus Thanos wouldn't travel with his entire army to 2023 and instead would simply just travel to 2018 and kill Tony Stark right after Strange gave Thanos the time stone in 2018. That's a HUGE PLOTHOLE in Endgame!
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 29, 2019 18:21:53 GMT
The BACK in that context isn't referring to a time period. The BACK in that context is simply referring to a starting point. Like when I say "I'm flying BACK West this weekend" or even "I'm flying BACK home this weekend", that's not referring to any time period. That's simply referring to a starting point. You do know, even in that context, "back" still means somewhere you've been before, right? You know, in your past... No matter the context, "back" means something behind you. Starting point is a place you came from. In the past. If you are "flying back home," you've been there in the past. If you are "flying home," that could be a place you've been to or a new place. If you "fly back west," you've been there. If you say "I'm flying out west," doesn't mean you've been there before. The comment from Banner was "your past becomes your future", which is the stupidest comment ever. Past and Future are opposite directions. If I say "I'm flying BACK west this weekend", that doesn't mean East becomes West and West becomes East. East and West are opposite directions.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 29, 2019 18:24:50 GMT
( reads through six pages of explaining time travel) It's not about explaining time travel , but the rules a fictional story laid out for their time travel. And the rules they laid out are inconsistent. Banner claims that they can't change the past. So by those same rules, they also can't change the present or the future because the present and the future are just the past to someone in the distant future. If they want to use their own rules, that's OK as long as they're consistent. The laws of gravity are the same in the past, present, and the future. The speed of light is the same in the past, present, and future. And any rules they make about time travel must be the same for the past, present, and the future. But Endgame's writers ae trying to use different sets of rules. That's inconsistent and awful writing.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 29, 2019 18:25:51 GMT
Banner confirmed it in Endgame when he said they can't change the past. And since the 2023 is the past to someone in 2028 or 2033 or any time in the future, that automatically means they also can't change the present or the future. So according to Banner (and the Endgame writers) EVERYTHING in MCU is already pre-determined and set in stone and no one has any free will to change their path. Like I said, don't blame me for this. This is how the Endgame writers wrote it. So if you have a complaint about this, then go take it up with the Endgame writers. Banner never confirmed it. Copy and paste the same message again and that would be proof of you admitting that you're a liar and a troll. Yes, he did. Banner confirmed it in Endgame when he said they can't change the past. And since the 2023 is the past to someone in 2028 or 2033 or any time in the future, that automatically means they also can't change the present or the future. So according to Banner (and the Endgame writers) EVERYTHING in MCU is already pre-determined and set in stone and no one has any free will to change their path. Like I said, don't blame me for this. This is how the Endgame writers wrote it. So if you have a complaint about this, then go take it up with the Endgame writers.
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Post by Skaathar on Jun 29, 2019 19:08:03 GMT
Banner never confirmed it. Copy and paste the same message again and that would be proof of you admitting that you're a liar and a troll. Yes, he did. Banner confirmed it in Endgame when he said they can't change the past. And since the 2023 is the past to someone in 2028 or 2033 or any time in the future, that automatically means they also can't change the present or the future. So according to Banner (and the Endgame writers) EVERYTHING in MCU is already pre-determined and set in stone and no one has any free will to change their path. Like I said, don't blame me for this. This is how the Endgame writers wrote it. So if you have a complaint about this, then go take it up with the Endgame writers. Thank you for finally admitting you're a liar and a troll.
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Post by dazz on Jun 29, 2019 19:24:02 GMT
You do know, even in that context, "back" still means somewhere you've been before, right? You know, in your past... No matter the context, "back" means something behind you. Starting point is a place you came from. In the past. If you are "flying back home," you've been there in the past. If you are "flying home," that could be a place you've been to or a new place. If you "fly back west," you've been there. If you say "I'm flying out west," doesn't mean you've been there before. The comment from Banner was "your past becomes your future", which is the stupidest comment ever. Past and Future are opposite directions. If I say "I'm flying BACK west this weekend", that doesn't mean East becomes West and West becomes East. East and West are opposite directions. No because if tomorrow you travel back in time 2 days then yesterday becomes both, it is your past and it is your future, and if you change anything from your past then you live a different future meaning your present will not exist as it is, this means you from the present cannot go back into the past in the future to change events because you do not exist.
This is why BTTF time travel is bullshit because Marty remembers his original timeline, but by the logic set up in the movie he shouldn't, changes in the past overwrite the present, which includes Marty hence why he starts to vanish and the picture he has changes, now if they followed a different set of rules where in the timeline changes but Marty as a time traveller is protected from the changes then that doesn't become a problem, except for the part where he wouldn't know changes had been made until he went back to the present, which is what happened in BTTF 2 iirc, Marty wasn't aware of the changes until he returned home after Biff gave his younger self the sports book, but even then that shouldn't have worked as it did iirc, because once Biff gave his younger self the book he's changed history so he shouldn't be able to travel to his future again due to changing the past.
As in there is no consistency to the time travel, it works however needed even when it breaks it's own rules, Endgame really doesn't do this due to multiverse theory, which allows for alterations of the past, experiencing potential futures, as well as fixed points in time, which given time travel is only theoretical means it's as valid a possibility as any other, and it doesn't break it's own rules due to the theory being made to accommodate the problems as they arise in other time travel stories.
But go on dildo breath you copy and past "Banner confirmed" 50 more times, it wont make your argument any stronger, you'll just continue to look like an even bigger mentally deficient howler monkey with a branch stuck in it's arse.
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Post by damngumby on Jun 29, 2019 20:07:03 GMT
There is no someone in the future. By definition, the future is something that has not occurred yet. It is unoccupied. WRONG AGAIN!!! If there was no future, then past Nebula wouldn't have been able to access 2023 Nebula's memories because 2023 Nebula wouldn't exist from past Nebula's perspective. You're still looking at it form a linear point of view. But time travel doesn't follow a linear, sequential path. The whole point of time travel is that someone can jump to any point in time (past or future) in any random order. That's why 1985 Marty can travel to 2015 (and skip over 30 years) without having to wait for 1986 through 2014 to happen. Because time travel doesn't follow a linear, sequential path. That's also why Strange's so-called "winning" scenario also isn't a winning scenario but actually a losing scenario. Because past Nebula can access future Nebula's memories at any point in time without having to wait an hour for the end of the movie and thus past Nebula already knows that Thanos and his entire army would be defeated in 2023. So Thanos would also know that and thus Thanos wouldn't travel with his entire army to 2023 and instead would simply just travel to 2018 and kill Tony Stark right after Strange gave Thanos the time stone in 2018. That's a HUGE PLOTHOLE in Endgame! You still don't get it. "Nebular 2" came into existence at the moment her timeline was created. She wasn't accessing the memories of another Nebular from the future of the N2 timeline. The future in the N2 timeline had not happened yet, there was no one there. She was accessing the memories of a Nebular from an entirely different timeline. You're still looking at this from a Back to the Future point of view, which is why you are constantly wrong. The movie specifically said it does not follow those rules. Nebular 2 could not access memories from a Nebular 1 about events that had yet to occur in the N1 timeline. If N2 Thanos were to travel to N1 2018 and kill Tony Stark, he wouldn't stop what was happening in N1, he would just splinter off a new timeline. N1 Tony Stark would be unaffected. Thanos had to travel to the N1 timeline present day in order to affect what was happening in the N1 timeline. In the MCU every timeline has it's own undetermined future. That is why this thread of yours is such an epic FAIL!
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Post by ThatGuy on Jun 29, 2019 20:42:13 GMT
It's not about explaining time travel , but the rules a fictional story laid out for their time travel. And the rules they laid out are inconsistent. Banner claims that they can't change the past. So by those same rules, they also can't change the present or the future because the present and the future are just the past to someone in the distant future. If they want to use their own rules, that's OK as long as they're consistent. The laws of gravity are the same in the past, present, and the future. The speed of light is the same in the past, present, and future. And any rules they make about time travel must be the same for the past, present, and the future. But Endgame's writers ae trying to use different sets of rules. That's inconsistent and awful writing. He says you can't change your past because it already happened. If you go back in time and change the past you create another timeline in the multiverse. What Banner is saying is that you are not rewriting your past because it already happened to you. You can change the future because it hasn't happened to you yet. If you change the past and stay in that timeline, you are creating as much a new future as if you would have stayed in your own present. If I go back in time and you stayed in the present, the changes I make will not affect you because I created a new timeline. Those are the rules of time travel that they have set.
Banner isn't saying you can't make changes in the past. He's saying you can't make changes in your past. Because it already happened. You are looking at in the wrong way on purpose to make it look wrong. Also, what you said about the future being the past to someone in the future is stupid. The person in the future doesn't exist in your present. They would only exist if they time traveled and that would take them out of their timeline. If you change something in the past for them, it would be the same rules for them as for you. They are using the same rules and all of it is consistent.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jun 29, 2019 20:48:52 GMT
WRONG AGAIN!!! If there was no future, then past Nebula wouldn't have been able to access 2023 Nebula's memories because 2023 Nebula wouldn't exist from past Nebula's perspective. You're still looking at it form a linear point of view. But time travel doesn't follow a linear, sequential path. The whole point of time travel is that someone can jump to any point in time (past or future) in any random order. That's why 1985 Marty can travel to 2015 (and skip over 30 years) without having to wait for 1986 through 2014 to happen. Because time travel doesn't follow a linear, sequential path. That's also why Strange's so-called "winning" scenario also isn't a winning scenario but actually a losing scenario. Because past Nebula can access future Nebula's memories at any point in time without having to wait an hour for the end of the movie and thus past Nebula already knows that Thanos and his entire army would be defeated in 2023. So Thanos would also know that and thus Thanos wouldn't travel with his entire army to 2023 and instead would simply just travel to 2018 and kill Tony Stark right after Strange gave Thanos the time stone in 2018. That's a HUGE PLOTHOLE in Endgame! You still don't get it. "Nebular 2" came into existence at the moment her timeline was created. She wasn't accessing the memories of another Nebular from the future of the N2 timeline. The future in the N2 timeline had not happened yet, there was no one there. She was accessing the memories of a Nebular from an entirely different timeline. You're still looking at this from a Back to the Future point of view, which is why you are constantly wrong. The movie specifically said it does not follow those rules. Nebular 2 could not access memories from a Nebular 1 about events that had yet to occur in the N1 timeline. If N2 Thanos were to travel to N1 2018 and kill Tony Stark, he wouldn't stop what was happening in N1, he would just splinter off a new timeline. N1 Tony Stark would be unaffected. Thanos had to travel to the N1 timeline present day in order to affect what was happening in the N1 timeline. In the MCU every timeline has it's own undetermined future. That is why this thread of yours is such an epic FAIL! And the thing is, you can't travel to the future. The future hasn't happen yet and doesn't exist. You can only travel back to an anchor point. Nebula 2014 opened a gate in 2023 to her original point in time and Thanos traveled through it. That was the reason for them having Ronin bring the baseball glove back with him.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jun 29, 2019 20:59:55 GMT
You do know, even in that context, "back" still means somewhere you've been before, right? You know, in your past... No matter the context, "back" means something behind you. Starting point is a place you came from. In the past. If you are "flying back home," you've been there in the past. If you are "flying home," that could be a place you've been to or a new place. If you "fly back west," you've been there. If you say "I'm flying out west," doesn't mean you've been there before. The comment from Banner was "your past becomes your future", which is the stupidest comment ever. Past and Future are opposite directions. If I say "I'm flying BACK west this weekend", that doesn't mean East becomes West and West becomes East. East and West are opposite directions. Because you are going to the past. That's why the past is you future. You are thinking of going back in time as going backwards when you are still moving forward to time travel to the past. Moving forward means that it is your future. You are thinking of the past as a when and not a place. To a time traveler, past and future is the difference between going through a door on the right or the left.
And look at your example. If you are facing north, you turn left to go back west (past), right? But if you turn right, you go east (future). But either you go, it'll be your future to go there.
The funny part is that you are thinking of it like Banner did when he tried to build the time machine without Stark. You would be the one turning Lang into an old man or a baby.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 30, 2019 1:07:49 GMT
Banner isn't saying you can't make changes in the past. He's saying you can't make changes in your past. Because it already happened. And that's the whole point of time travel. To make changes to the past. The person in the future doesn't exist in your present. They would only exist if they time traveled and that would take them out of their timeline. If you change something in the past for them, it would be the same rules for them as for you. They are using the same rules and all of it is consistent. No, there isn't 7 billion separate timelines, one for each individual person. There's one timeline in which 7 billion people are part of and changes to that 1 timeline may affect millions of people. If you don't like BTTF, we can look at another example. In The City of the Edge of Forever, McCoy goes back in time and saves Edith Keeler from dying in a traffic accident. Edith Keeler then goes on to lead a peace movement that delays the US from entering WW2 and allows the Nazis to develop the atomic bomb first and win the war. If Kirk stops McCoy from saving Edith Keeler, then Edith Keeler dies and the original timeline is restored. But if Kirk doesn't stop McCoy from saving Edith Keeler, then Edith Keeler lives AND millions of people would've died. So McCoy changing the original timeline not only changes Edith Keeler's future but also changes the future for millions of people. It's not a million separate timelines, one for each individual, in which the Nazis win the war. It's just 1 timeline, in which millions of people's futures are changed by the Nazis winning the war. Like I said, Endgame's writers were trying to use different sets of rules, which is inconsistent and really bad writing.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 30, 2019 1:19:45 GMT
You still don't get it. "Nebular 2" came into existence at the moment her timeline was created. She wasn't accessing the memories of another Nebular from the future of the N2 timeline. The future in the N2 timeline had not happened yet, there was no one there. She was accessing the memories of a Nebular from an entirely different timeline. You're still looking at this from a Back to the Future point of view, which is why you are constantly wrong. The movie specifically said it does not follow those rules. Nebular 2 could not access memories from a Nebular 1 about events that had yet to occur in the N1 timeline. If N2 Thanos were to travel to N1 2018 and kill Tony Stark, he wouldn't stop what was happening in N1, he would just splinter off a new timeline. N1 Tony Stark would be unaffected. Thanos had to travel to the N1 timeline present day in order to affect what was happening in the N1 timeline. In the MCU every timeline has it's own undetermined future. That is why this thread of yours is such an epic FAIL! And the thing is, you can't travel to the future. The future hasn't happen yet and doesn't exist. You can only travel back to an anchor point. Yes, you can travel to the future. Marty traveled from 1985 to 2015. Even the Avengers traveled to the future in Endgame. They traveled to the past to retrieve the stones. Then they traveled to the future (2023) with the stones. And past Thanos also traveled to the future (2023). You're still looking at it with a closed-minded perspective and thinking that just because you haven't seen what happens at the end of the movie when you're only an hour into the movie, that the end hasn't happened yet. But that's a linear perspective. When dealing with time travel, it's not a linear perspective because the whole point of time travel is that you don't have to travel in a liner, sequential way. The whole point of time travel is that all time (past, present, and future) are just distinct points in time and you can travel to any of those distinct points in time in any random order without having to go through a linear, sequential manner. That's how Marty can travel from 1985 to 1955 without having to go to 1956 through 1984 and can travel from 1985 to 2015 without having to go to 1986 through 2014 and can travel from 1955 to 1885 without having to go to 1886 through 1954 and can travel from 1885 to 1985 without having to go to 1886 through 1985. Because time travel isn't linear or sequential and all time (past, present, and future) are just distinct points in time. 1 person's future is just another person's past.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 30, 2019 1:35:07 GMT
Nebula 2014 opened a gate in 2023 to her original point in time and Thanos traveled through it And that is why Endgame is a HUGE PLOTHOLE. Because 2014 Nebula can access 2023 Nebulas memories so 2014 Nebula would already know that 2014 Thanos traveled with his entire army to 2023 and was defeated in 2023. That means 2014 Thanos would also know that and thus wouldn't have traveled with his entire army to 2023 and instead would've just traveled to 2018 and killed Tony Stark right after Strange gave Thanos the time stone in 2018. That's why the entire plot of Endgame doesn't work at all. Some MCU fans who are slow at understanding it try to defend the bad writing in Endgame by saying "Well, when 2014 Nebula accessed 2023 Nebula's memories, the end of the movie hadn't happened yet so 2023 Nebula wouldn't have those memories yet." All that shows is that MCU fans just don't understand the concept of time. When Marty traveled to October 2015, he saw a sign that said the Cubs won the World Series. If Marty had traveled a few months further to February 2016, he might have seen a sign or a newspaper headline that said the Broncos won Super Bowl 50. Would MCU fans say "Well, Marty couldn't have traveled to February 2016 because that hadn't happened yet in the movie"?
October 2015 and February 2016 are both just future points in time to 1985 Marty so 1985 Marty could've traveled to either of those points in time. Similarly, 2023 Nebula's memories an hour into the movie (when the Avengers are trying to retrieve the stones in the past) and 2023 Nebula's memories at the end of the movie (when Thanos and his entire army are defeated in 2023) are just future points in time to 2014 Nebula so 2014 Nebula could've accessed either of those memory points.
So 2014 Nebula would already know that 2014 Thanos traveled with his entire army to 2023 and was defeated in 2023. That means 2014 Thanos would also know that and thus wouldn't have traveled with his entire army to 2023 and instead would've just traveled to 2018 and killed Tony Stark right after Strange gave Thanos the time stone in 2018. That's why the entire plot of Endgame doesn't work at all.
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Post by dazz on Jun 30, 2019 2:15:43 GMT
Banner isn't saying you can't make changes in the past. He's saying you can't make changes in your past. Because it already happened. And that's the whole point of time travel. To make changes to the past. The person in the future doesn't exist in your present. They would only exist if they time traveled and that would take them out of their timeline. If you change something in the past for them, it would be the same rules for them as for you. They are using the same rules and all of it is consistent. No, there isn't 7 billion separate timelines, one for each individual person. There's one timeline in which 7 billion people are part of and changes to that 1 timeline may affect millions of people. If you don't like BTTF, we can look at another example. In The City of the Edge of Forever, McCoy goes back in time and saves Edith Keeler from dying in a traffic accident. Edith Keeler then goes on to lead a peace movement that delays the US from entering WW2 and allows the Nazis to develop the atomic bomb first and win the war. If Kirk stops McCoy from saving Edith Keeler, then Edith Keeler dies and the original timeline is restored. But if Kirk doesn't stop McCoy from saving Edith Keeler, then Edith Keeler lives AND millions of people would've died. So McCoy changing the original timeline not only changes Edith Keeler's future but also changes the future for millions of people. It's not a million separate timelines, one for each individual, in which the Nazis win the war. It's just 1 timeline, in which millions of people's futures are changed by the Nazis winning the war. Like I said, Endgame's writers were trying to use different sets of rules, which is inconsistent and really bad writing. Exactly a different set of rules, you keep acting like there is only 1 theory of how time travel works, there is not, there are multiple theories, and the BTTF set of rules is a broken set because it ultimately just results in a never ending time loop which cannot be broken, a dynamic timeline only works if the time traveller is exempt from the fallout, but in BTTF they aren't unless it's convenient to the plot, that is bad writing, not saying BTTF is bad writing but the time travel aspects of it in terms of consistency sure as hell is.
You can use different variations on time travel, doing so is not bad writing nor is it inconsistent unless you establish a different version of it being the rules of that world, The Flash & LOT for example on the CW break their own rules constantly that's inconsistent and lazy writing, Endgame doesn't, because what Banner says isn't the rules for time travel in their universe but his understanding of it, and even then he's right because they cannot change the past of their own histories in their own timeline, but they can cause changes in the past which creates separate timelines.
You think that because BTTF used a single dynamic timeline approach to time travel then that has to be the rules, it's not, MCU doesn't use single a single timeline but a multiverse of timelines, get that through your head, just because it doesn't follow the BROKEN logic of another film or the logic of a TV show from the 60's doesn't make it wrong or bad, so long as they stick to the rules of their own universe it's fine you dunce.
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Post by dazz on Jun 30, 2019 2:22:55 GMT
And that is why Endgame is a HUGE PLOTHOLE. Because 2014 Nebula can access 2023 Nebulas memories so 2014 Nebula would already know that 2014 Thanos traveled with his entire army to 2023 and was defeated in 2023. 2023 Nebula's memories an hour into the movie (when the Avengers are trying to retrieve the stones in the past) and 2023 Nebula's memories at the end of the movie (when Thanos and his entire army are defeated in 2023) are just future points in time to 2014 Nebula so 2014 Nebula could've accessed either of those memory points.
So 2014 Nebula would already know that 2014 Thanos traveled with his entire army to 2023 and was defeated in 2023. That means 2014 Thanos would also know that and thus wouldn't have traveled with his entire army to 2023 and instead would've just traveled to 2018 and killed Tony Stark right after Strange gave Thanos the time stone in 2018. That's why the entire plot of Endgame doesn't work at all.
No stupid because her memories she is accessing from 2023 Nebula isn't due to some temporal link linking all Nebula's across space and time, it's a tech glitch because they share identical mental components and are existing in the exact same time as one another, this causes a P2P link between the two allowing 2014 Nebula to access 2023 Nebula's current memories, neither one has access to memories that neither of them have, again you just don't understand the mechanics at play because you are dumber than a sack of wet hammers.
If the tech could allow Nebula to access the memories of all Nebula's across time it would be so long before this movie, 2014 Nebula can only access the memories of 2023 Nebula whilst they occupy the same time period, hence why she only starts getting access to the memories once 2023 Nebula travels to 2014, if this wasn't the case then 2023 would never need to travel into the past for this to happen, or do you still not get this you cheese sucking fanny ferret?
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Post by Skaathar on Jun 30, 2019 6:45:34 GMT
Banner isn't saying you can't make changes in the past. He's saying you can't make changes in your past. Because it already happened. And that's the whole point of time travel. To make changes to the past. The person in the future doesn't exist in your present. They would only exist if they time traveled and that would take them out of their timeline. If you change something in the past for them, it would be the same rules for them as for you. They are using the same rules and all of it is consistent. No, there isn't 7 billion separate timelines, one for each individual person. There's one timeline in which 7 billion people are part of and changes to that 1 timeline may affect millions of people. If you don't like BTTF, we can look at another example. In The City of the Edge of Forever, McCoy goes back in time and saves Edith Keeler from dying in a traffic accident. Edith Keeler then goes on to lead a peace movement that delays the US from entering WW2 and allows the Nazis to develop the atomic bomb first and win the war. If Kirk stops McCoy from saving Edith Keeler, then Edith Keeler dies and the original timeline is restored. But if Kirk doesn't stop McCoy from saving Edith Keeler, then Edith Keeler lives AND millions of people would've died. So McCoy changing the original timeline not only changes Edith Keeler's future but also changes the future for millions of people. It's not a million separate timelines, one for each individual, in which the Nazis win the war. It's just 1 timeline, in which millions of people's futures are changed by the Nazis winning the war. Like I said, Endgame's writers were trying to use different sets of rules, which is inconsistent and really bad writing. You already admitted you're a liar.
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Post by damngumby on Jun 30, 2019 9:53:21 GMT
And the thing is, you can't travel to the future. The future hasn't happen yet and doesn't exist. You can only travel back to an anchor point. Yes, you can travel to the future. Marty traveled from 1985 to 2015. Even the Avengers traveled to the future in Endgame. They traveled to the past to retrieve the stones. Then they traveled to the future (2023) with the stones. And past Thanos also traveled to the future (2023). In the MCU, you can not travel to the future of any particular timeline. It doesn't exist. It should be obvious that the MCU universe has multiple timelines. Each timeline consists of an unalterable past, a present moment (the point in time in which events occur) that is advancing through time at the same rate as the other timelines, and it's own indeterminate future that has yet to exist. That's it. Simple! The Avengers never traveled beyond the present moment of the original timeline. They traveled to the past, created some new timelines, and then traveled back to the present moment of the original timeline. Past Thanos never travel to the future of the timeline in which he was created. He couldn't. It didn't exist. He traveled to the present moment of the original timeline. Once there, he was defeated. There is no way he could have known about his defeat prior to it actually occurring. Nebular's memories would not extend into a future that hadn't happened yet. BTW, every time you evoke a different movie, with different time travel rules, you lose the argument. And, oh boy, you've been doing a lot of losing in this thread!
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