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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 5:56:42 GMT
I just love how Tristan outright ignores the post where I point out there is no tight-wearing in the MCU. don't go drama raptor on me, and don't you straw man silence. I saw your post and it's evidently beside the point. The classic "beefcake in tights" thing in all it's permutation is not about the literal wearing of tights (in fact in '89 Batman it was explicitly stated that his beefy abs (and lush nipple) were just a form of body armor). But it's a remark on the oft bemoaned juvenilization and dumbing down of movies and pop culture. And of course to make fun of emotionally immature grown ups who are still into this kind of stuff typically aimed at emotionally insecure boys of 6-12, by giving them beefy power fantasies they can project to. Some claim it's a closeted form of homoeroticism, but I doubt that. In fact one of my favorite responses when asking a friend why she broke up with someone is "he is reading comic books" (very special look in her eyes), which regularily causes hearty laugh-at-the-manchild laughs...QED Either you're trying to sound like a stereotypical meathead from the 90s on purpose, or you truly are without any form of self-awareness, child. In any case, you have nothing to prove this meaningless collection of pretentious phrases. It's obvious that you haven't seen any of the films, for one. Also, you are in no position to talk about "emotional immaturity" or being insecure, considering you hide behind excuses for your choice of avatar. Furry.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 6:00:59 GMT
enter FlyingJ87, dude you truly sound like a broken record. This is exactly why I said "Bis repetita non placent!". "I must have hit pretty close to the mark to get them all riled up like that, huh, kid?" I was asked several times to respond, and when I do, I cut through the BS and state facts and personal experience as are. Stating the obvious is never popular with some; nerds with a healthy mind will take it cum grano salis and with humor, the emotionally unstable ones, well, you saw the last nutjob's meltdown.... But a healthy reality check is always beneficial, even when shocking. Ah, and I switch to Latin and similar when I simply get tired with dimwitted, whining manchildren plaguing me, it works wonders, believe me. Und nun möchtet ich wiederum die Sprache wechseln, da du als personifizierter intellektueller Nudist kein adäquater Ansprechpartner für mich bist. Ou en francais,...non, tu es Canadien...tant pis pour toi. Dus je weet hoe Google Translate werkt. Nou je bent echt heel goed, slim en volwassen. Niet dus. Je denkt dat je superieur bent en claimt volwassen te zijn maar juist door dat gedrag laat je zien dat je nog nauwelijks haar op je worm hebt. Je mist duidelijk het vermogen om de onderliggende boodschappen in het MCU te zien en denkt dat die er niet zijn omdat er ooit een idioot was die gezegd heeft dat Nolans films voor volwassenen zijn en het MCU duidelijk anders is en je daarom concludeert dat het wel voor kinderen moet zijn. Het feit dat je verteld moet worden wat volwassen is en wat niet en daar dus niet zelf over kan nadenken maakt je tot iemand die vertelt moet worden wat te denken en wat te zeggen: een kind. Poor guy. Sarcasm translates so poorly on Google. Well said. My Dutch is not spectacular, but I was still able to read the message even through Google Translate's mistakes.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on May 24, 2017 13:21:12 GMT
The best Kevin can do is make a Serect War movie with Fox.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 19:26:55 GMT
The best Kevin can do is make a Serect War movie with Fox. The man spear-headed makingIronman, Captain America, Thor, Black Widow, Hawkeye, the Guardians of the Galaxy, Vision, Ant-Man, and Black Panther into stars. I wouldn't under-estimate the man.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2017 2:01:08 GMT
The fact it is all wonderous whilst masking real life struggles is the problem. Audiences walk away entertained because they laughed at Ant Man making jokes or Starlord doing a stupid dance. Thats it. There's no suffering or emotional evolution in the MCU which is why its 1 note. No one dies. No one suffers. Without that journey, the payoff at the end is not earned and worthless. No matter how bad some X-films might be atleast they try to exhibit the problems of its heros fully and not holding back. What do the MCU do. They hide or minimise it because they dont want their target audience to see these heros as flawed. Starks apparent PTSD in IM3? Forgotten. Caps worst nightmare of there being no war in Age of Ultron? Ignored. Rhodey being crippled in CW? Laughed off. These are examples why X-Men in Feiges hands is a terrible idea. You wont get character arcs like Xaviers in DOFP being a suicidal drug addict, or Wolverine in Logan reaching rock bottom. Even DC films that dont quite hit the mark in TDKR and MoS attempt to portray their heros as humans, not idealistic celebrities. It is sad that MCU fanboys really think Marvel/Disney will be willing to deviate from their formulas and make tonally different movies like Deadpool, Logan, and the upcoming New Mutants. The best these characters get will be a Netflix series (or a cameo), the same way Marvel treats the characters who they believe are inappropriate for their target audience. I find it hilarious that you think Fox treats any character not named Wolverine, Xavier, or Magneto better than what you've just described.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 25, 2017 2:15:35 GMT
It is sad that MCU fanboys really think Marvel/Disney will be willing to deviate from their formulas and make tonally different movies like Deadpool, Logan, and the upcoming New Mutants. The best these characters get will be a Netflix series (or a cameo), the same way Marvel treats the characters who they believe are inappropriate for their target audience. I find it hilarious that you think Fox treats any character not named Wolverine, Xavier, or Magneto better than what you've just described. God dammit, raptor! That's a broad generalization and insult to all of our collective intelligence. ... You forgot Mystique.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 25, 2017 2:29:03 GMT
I feel like you guys are both hitting on genuine, legitimate weaknesses of each franchise in question. The X-movies, while I adore them, could prolly do a bit better at being more balanced from an ensemble standpoint, although I think X2 in particular is mostly an exception to this broad point. (They do a good job with Ororo and Kurt, build up Jean for 3, give us the whole subplot with the "teens," and generally juggle all the storylines really well.) The MCU, meanwhile, has demonstrated more uniformity in their stuff, tonally and aesthetically, and could prolly do a bit better at offering a wider range of approaches to the comic book movie genre, which incidentally doesn't just mean making a rated-R Marvel movie. There. Now you can each tell me why you perceive my post to be stupid and wrong.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2017 2:31:32 GMT
I find it hilarious that you think Fox treats any character not named Wolverine, Xavier, or Magneto better than what you've just described. At least they do not look homogeneous. Fanboys like you are too delusional to believe that when Marvel/Disney reacquires all Marvel characters, the audience will get a variety of film adaptations that reflect the diversity in the comic book universe. Given the slate of the MCU, I seriously doubt so. ...Keep living in that fantasy universe. If any franchise character lineup looks homogeneous, it's the Fox-Men. I have no idea what paints you're huffing, but everyone in the MCU both looks and is distinct from one another.
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Post by Atom(ica) Discord on May 25, 2017 2:40:19 GMT
At least they do not look homogeneous. Fanboys like you are too delusional to believe that when Marvel/Disney reacquires all Marvel characters, the audience will get a variety of film adaptations that reflect the diversity in the comic book universe. Given the slate of the MCU, I seriously doubt so. ...Keep living in that fantasy universe. If any franchise character lineup looks homogeneous, it's the Fox-Men. I have no idea what paints you're huffing, but everyone in the MCU both looks and is distinct from one another. They literally look and feel like the cast of a CW show. If you put a gun to my head, I could not distinguish their voices in a blind taste test. Fox is responsible for casting some of the most bland, talent-free, vapid actors in all of Hollywood. After they get their primaries in place, the rest of their casts might as well be catalog models. SaveSave
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2017 2:44:23 GMT
...Keep living in that fantasy universe. If any franchise character lineup looks homogeneous, it's the Fox-Men. I have no idea what paints you're huffing, but everyone in the MCU both looks and is distinct from one another. They literally look and feel like the cast of a CW show. Does that mean Jean was knocked up Scott's evil twin, Hans?
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Post by Atom(ica) Discord on May 25, 2017 2:52:05 GMT
They literally look and feel like the cast of a CW show. Does that mean Jean was knocked up Scott's evil twin, Hans? I can barley tell some of them apart they're so Dawson's Creek bland. Banshee, Havoc, Iceman, legacy-colossus... might as well all be the same dude to me.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2017 2:57:04 GMT
Does that mean Jean was knocked up Scott's evil twin, Hans? I can barley tell some of them apart they're so Dawson's Creek bland. Banshee, Havoc, Iceman, legacy-cyclops... might as well all be the same dude to me. Yeah, basically. This is why they need their non-standard uniforms from the comics. Marvel Studios figured out how to make their characters instantly recognizable on a visual level immediately. There is no mistaking Tony Stark for Steve Rogers in the MCU.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2017 3:16:34 GMT
...Keep living in that fantasy universe. If any franchise character lineup looks homogeneous, it's the Fox-Men. I have no idea what paints you're huffing, but everyone in the MCU both looks and is distinct from one another. In the real universe, ironically, all MCU superheroes who you think are "distinct" behave according to the same established tropes since Iron Man. I am not surprised by your response, however, since Kevin Feige also claims MCU has taken so much risk with Doctor Strange (and probably Guardians of the Galaxy 2 as well) that many fanboys would really fall for that. In the real universe, unironically, all Fox-Men superheroes who you think are "distinct" behave according to the same established tropes since X-Men (2000). Seventeen years of doing the same thing over and over again. I am not surprised by your response, however, since Bryan Singer does cater to the same "grounded" approach over and over again that allows casual fans like you to watch comic book movies without feeling embarrassed. It gives you the false security of being allowed to feel "adult", which is naturally something you want to feel when you're still a child, but actual adults know the term is nothing more than descriptive.
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Post by formersamhmd on May 25, 2017 3:33:12 GMT
The fact it is all wonderous whilst masking real life struggles is the problem. Audiences walk away entertained because they laughed at Ant Man making jokes or Starlord doing a stupid dance. Thats it. There's no suffering or emotional evolution in the MCU which is why its 1 note. No one dies. No one suffers. Without that journey, the payoff at the end is not earned and worthless. No matter how bad some X-films might be atleast they try to exhibit the problems of its heros fully and not holding back. What do the MCU do. They hide or minimise it because they dont want their target audience to see these heros as flawed. Starks apparent PTSD in IM3? Forgotten. Caps worst nightmare of there being no war in Age of Ultron? Ignored. Rhodey being crippled in CW? Laughed off. These are examples why X-Men in Feiges hands is a terrible idea. You wont get character arcs like Xaviers in DOFP being a suicidal drug addict, or Wolverine in Logan reaching rock bottom. Even DC films that dont quite hit the mark in TDKR and MoS attempt to portray their heros as humans, not idealistic celebrities. It is sad that MCU fanboys really think Marvel/Disney will be willing to deviate from their formulas and make tonally different movies like Deadpool, Logan, and the upcoming New Mutants. The best these characters get will be a Netflix series (or a cameo), the same way Marvel treats the characters who they believe are inappropriate for their target audience. Deadpool wasn't that removed from an MCU movie, really. It just had more blood and skin. Logan? Really, without them killing everyone there's nothing that separates that film from the usual Fox stuff. New Mutants will be more of the same.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2017 3:41:16 GMT
It is sad that MCU fanboys really think Marvel/Disney will be willing to deviate from their formulas and make tonally different movies like Deadpool, Logan, and the upcoming New Mutants. The best these characters get will be a Netflix series (or a cameo), the same way Marvel treats the characters who they believe are inappropriate for their target audience. Deadpool wasn't that removed from an MCU movie, really. It just had more blood and skin.Logan? Really, without them killing everyone there's nothing that separates that film from the usual Fox stuff. New Mutants will be more of the same. Yep. The Fox-Men sweetheart is just an MCU film with more swearing, blood, and skin. Not that immature, thick-headed Fox-Men fans like CaptainMystake will admit that.
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Post by charzhino on May 25, 2017 10:38:38 GMT
Keep living in that fantasy universe. If any franchise character lineup looks homogeneous, it's the Fox-Men. I have no idea what paints you're huffing, but everyone in the MCU both looks and is distinct from one another. Hilarious stuff written here. "Everyone in the MCU both looks and is distinct". Sure they look aesthetically different because they are in colourful spandex costumes that you guys have fetishes for. But thematically, all the heroic characters are the same. Doctor Strange, Ant Man, Starlord, IronMan, Thor for example. What are the most common character traits they share? Witty, wisecracking one liners, who all think they are gods gift to the world. All are narcissistic with self inflated egos. The villains are even worse, templates on a half assed effort to try and be threatening yet failing. See for yourself, imagine Starlords character playing Stark and vice versa. Imagine Doctor Strange playing Thor and vice versa. You would get more or less the same end product. X-men characters are more unique and not the generic white cocky hero who talks too much (obviously deadpool exception but thats his whole schtick). Wolverine, Xavier, Magneto, William Stryker, Jean, Mystique, Quicksilver all have tailor made attributes in their characters and aren't copy clones of each other. You would believe them to be real people but when you see MCU heros and villains you can see the corporate checklist that they completed to give to a character.
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Post by Atom(ica) Discord on May 25, 2017 14:39:51 GMT
It is sad that MCU fanboys really think Marvel/Disney will be willing to deviate from their formulas and make tonally different movies like Deadpool, Logan, and the upcoming New Mutants. The best these characters get will be a Netflix series (or a cameo), the same way Marvel treats the characters who they believe are inappropriate for their target audience. And stupidity. Essentially, Deadpool is a studio confessional in which Fox attempts to write off their blatant mishandling of the X-Men properties as a 17-year-long joke. Deadpool is the comedian telling audiences that joke. The character is the Judas Goat leading fanboys into a new era of incompetence and hypocrisy. The more I think about it, the more the movie reads as a blatant insult to fans. Logan was a good movie. It, like Deadpool, was forced to acknowledge the previous mishandling of the franchise and subsequently distance itself from it. Fox waited until their lead was on his way out of the door to give the fans the hard R movie they'd been demanding for nearly a decade - and now suddenly they're gods. Fox fanboys are an easy lay. Yep. A collection of fashion victims who harness the power of CG while navigating petty intrigues within their vapid collective of strikingly good-looking tweens. SaveSaveSaveSave
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2017 1:58:52 GMT
Keep living in that fantasy universe. If any franchise character lineup looks homogeneous, it's the Fox-Men. I have no idea what paints you're huffing, but everyone in the MCU both looks and is distinct from one another. Hilarious stuff written here. "Everyone in the MCU both looks and is distinct". Sure they look aesthetically different because they are in colourful spandex costumes that you guys have fetishes for. But thematically, all the heroic characters are the same. Doctor Strange, Ant Man, Starlord, IronMan, Thor for example. What are the most common character traits they share? Witty, wisecracking one liners, who all think they are gods gift to the world. All are narcissistic with self inflated egos. The villains are even worse, templates on a half assed effort to try and be threatening yet failing. See for yourself, imagine Starlords character playing Stark and vice versa. Imagine Doctor Strange playing Thor and vice versa. You would get more or less the same end product. X-men characters are more unique and not the generic white cocky hero who talks too much (obviously deadpool exception but thats his whole schtick). Wolverine, Xavier, Magneto, William Stryker, Jean, Mystique, Quicksilver all have tailor made attributes in their characters and aren't copy clones of each other. You would believe them to be real people but when you see MCU heros and villains you can see the corporate checklist that they completed to give to a character. ...Keep living in that dream world. And keep proving that you don't really watch any of the MCU films. You only half pay attention because you want to hate them and only see what you want to see. Yeah, the only thing that reads like a corporate checklist are the Fox-Men films. No, none of the Fox-Men characters have tailor made attributes outside of being basic archetypes with only their powers truly distinguishing them.
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Post by Atom(ica) Discord on May 26, 2017 13:51:23 GMT
You tried so hard I will give you credit for that. And THIS^ was the 201st post in this thread. I gotta give YOU credit for that. Drinks all around, my friend. SaveSaveSaveSaveSaveSave
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on May 27, 2017 23:07:09 GMT
You didn't try hard at all with your reply so you get no credit whatsoever.
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