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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2022 17:46:18 GMT
IMDb is still locked at 74 reviews, all of them positive. All the negative reviews have been purged, anything under 6/10. Review bombing is a problem but this “solution” is some Orwellian shit.
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Post by drystyx on Sept 5, 2022 3:24:21 GMT
I would guess that the reason Gandalf (assuming the writers have enough sense to not be idiots and make it a red herring character) is a blithering idiot because he was taken away from the meteor hole by the girl before he could don his gray wardrobe. Apparently, the "gray" is important to his connection between the two worlds, so to speak.
They probably based this on his bit of confusion in Two Towers when he changed from the gray to the white.
I guess the gods weren't omnipotent enough to send him all ready in his gray robe. After al, Melkor (I thought that was the name of the Satan character instead of the one they gave) muffed up the creation in the Silmarillion with off key music, like Bruce Springstein in the "We Are the World" production, and so changed the rules of Middle Earth from perfection to confusion. It's a bit of allegory away from fundamental theism and atheism to dualism and/or Gnosticism, which most experienced people find more logical any way.
So, maybe the minute he gets something gray on him, even a cap or something, maybe he gets back some of his connection with what he's doing, and goes back to the meteor hole to get his gray robe.
Hopefully, he is Gandalf. It would be stupid writing to make him a red herring. It would remind me of one of those "round Robin" writing events where just a few idiots relentlessly sabotage any story being told.
Same for the guy on the raft, who would quite obviously be one of the Nazgul. Even so, his motivation is nonexistent. Why let the hot woman drown and save the plain Jane (lets face it, this Galadriel is much plainer than the one from the Peter Jackson trilogy)?
I actually don't mind the Gandalf character being easy to figure out, nor the wicked king character. What really sucks are two things, the determination to keep with Tolkien's nazi demon ideology and the stupid lines that are meant to be "poignant", but make no sense. Something about a boat looking to the sky to float and a rock sinking. Ridiculous crap that an actor is forced to try to make meaningful, when the writing comes from meth heads or crack heads who think they're poets.
On the good side, in an effort to be positive, the bits with Elrond and the dwarves are well done. The dark elf guy is a good protagonist. And, of course, the scenery is excellent. Some of it looks like painted backdrops, and some looks digital, but that's okay. No one cares about how it gets there, as long as it's pleasant in appearance.
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Post by Winter_King on Sept 5, 2022 8:03:44 GMT
I would guess that the reason Gandalf (assuming the writers have enough sense to not be idiots and make it a red herring character) is a blithering idiot because he was taken away from the meteor hole by the girl before he could don his gray wardrobe. Apparently, the "gray" is important to his connection between the two worlds, so to speak. They probably based this on his bit of confusion in Two Towers when he changed from the gray to the white. I guess the gods weren't omnipotent enough to send him all ready in his gray robe. After al, Melkor (I thought that was the name of the Satan character instead of the one they gave) muffed up the creation in the Silmarillion with off key music, like Bruce Springstein in the "We Are the World" production, and so changed the rules of Middle Earth from perfection to confusion. It's a bit of allegory away from fundamental theism and atheism to dualism and/or Gnosticism, which most experienced people find more logical any way. So, maybe the minute he gets something gray on him, even a cap or something, maybe he gets back some of his connection with what he's doing, and goes back to the meteor hole to get his gray robe. Hopefully, he is Gandalf. It would be stupid writing to make him a red herring. It would remind me of one of those "round Robin" writing events where just a few idiots relentlessly sabotage any story being told. Same for the guy on the raft, who would quite obviously be one of the Nazgul. Even so, his motivation is nonexistent. Why let the hot woman drown and save the plain Jane (lets face it, this Galadriel is much plainer than the one from the Peter Jackson trilogy)? I actually don't mind the Gandalf character being easy to figure out, nor the wicked king character. What really sucks are two things, the determination to keep with Tolkien's nazi demon ideology and the stupid lines that are meant to be "poignant", but make no sense. Something about a boat looking to the sky to float and a rock sinking. Ridiculous crap that an actor is forced to try to make meaningful, when the writing comes from meth heads or crack heads who think they're poets. On the good side, in an effort to be positive, the bits with Elrond and the dwarves are well done. The dark elf guy is a good protagonist. And, of course, the scenery is excellent. Some of it looks like painted backdrops, and some looks digital, but that's okay. No one cares about how it gets there, as long as it's pleasant in appearance. If he is Gandalf they're making some serious changes to the lore. I'm hoping he's not.
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Post by CrepedCrusader on Sept 5, 2022 19:54:17 GMT
I'm seeing that the premiere got about 25 Millie viewers. Haters lose again.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Sept 5, 2022 21:41:54 GMT
I'm seeing that the premiere got about 25 Millie viewers. Haters lose again. I have no opinion on the show because i have not seen it as i don`t have Amazon prime, but the amount of viewers has nothing to do with the quality of a show, it just shows how many people wanted to watch it.
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Post by Marv on Sept 5, 2022 23:19:40 GMT
If he is Gandalf they're making some serious changes to the lore. I'm hoping he's not. I hope its not Gandalf also...but mostly because I just think we've seen enough Gandalf. Give me one of the other wizards we don't know much about or something totally different. I don't think we need a Gandalf origin story.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Sept 5, 2022 23:38:59 GMT
Not really into it so far.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2022 2:35:49 GMT
I'm seeing that the premiere got about 25 Millie viewers. Haters lose again. I have no opinion on the show because i have not seen it as i don`t have Amazon prime, but the amount of viewers has nothing to do with the quality of a show, it just shows how many people wanted to watch it. Just being the most expensive show ever made was going to attract attention too. There’s no way they keep those numbers though. I don’t care either way- I gave it a try and it was about as mediocre as I expected it to be. Now, why on Earth people act like shills and gloat about the numbers like some sort of personal victory I’ll never understand. It’s a weird world we live in now- unless that guy owns a lot of Amazon stock or something. 😂
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Sept 6, 2022 7:30:48 GMT
I'm seeing that the premiere got about 25 Millie viewers. Haters lose again. Premiere attendance shows curiosity built up by marketing hype. How the figures evolve after the premiere tells the real story.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Sept 6, 2022 7:39:13 GMT
Now, why on Earth people act like shills and gloat about the numbers like some sort of personal victory I’ll never understand. That's an easy one. People with an own opinion are a minority. The majority clumps into teams and draws comfort from choosing a large one, just like tribe men with no understanding of warfare feel safer in a larger tribe. Popular entertainment is not so much about entertainment as about joining a flock.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2022 17:09:25 GMT
Now, why on Earth people act like shills and gloat about the numbers like some sort of personal victory I’ll never understand. That's an easy one. People with an own opinion are a minority. The majority clumps into teams and draws comfort from choosing a large one, just like tribe men with no understanding of warfare feel safer in a larger tribe. Popular entertainment is not so much about entertainment as about joining a flock. This is exactly it. I admit I find it incredibly puzzling. And rather pathetic. It’s especially common amongst Marvel fans. People like that only seem to exist on the internet as well. Thankfully I’ve never had the displeasure of meeting one in reality.
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Post by drystyx on Sept 6, 2022 22:10:34 GMT
That's an easy one. People with an own opinion are a minority. The majority clumps into teams and draws comfort from choosing a large one, just like tribe men with no understanding of warfare feel safer in a larger tribe. Popular entertainment is not so much about entertainment as about joining a flock. This is exactly it. I admit I find it incredibly puzzling. And rather pathetic. It’s especially common amongst Marvel fans. People like that only seem to exist on the internet as well. Thankfully I’ve never had the displeasure of meeting one in reality. In real life, Marvel fans are things, but invisible, even when they stretch the truth and get fired up. They think they're fantastic.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2022 0:16:23 GMT
This is exactly it. I admit I find it incredibly puzzling. And rather pathetic. It’s especially common amongst Marvel fans. People like that only seem to exist on the internet as well. Thankfully I’ve never had the displeasure of meeting one in reality. In real life, Marvel fans are things, but invisible, even when they stretch the truth and get fired up. They think they're fantastic. We’re doomed!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2022 1:13:48 GMT
Oof! RT Audience Score at 39%
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Sept 7, 2022 3:38:37 GMT
That's an easy one. People with an own opinion are a minority. The majority clumps into teams and draws comfort from choosing a large one, just like tribe men with no understanding of warfare feel safer in a larger tribe. Popular entertainment is not so much about entertainment as about joining a flock. This is exactly it. I admit I find it incredibly puzzling. And rather pathetic. It’s especially common amongst Marvel fans. People like that only seem to exist on the internet as well. Thankfully I’ve never had the displeasure of meeting one in reality. Sport fans are that way. Rooting for the local team because it's the one they have or for the winner of the championship because it's the winner and hoping it will win again so they can join the winning parade in the street the following night. Pop stars elicit the same sort of interest. All the mods, rockers, flower power, disco, punks, rap, grunge, hip hop and many other genre boxes were more about building groups than about the music itself. All the "stadium rock" thing is about filling a stadium, joining the biggest possible crowd.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2022 6:26:47 GMT
This is exactly it. I admit I find it incredibly puzzling. And rather pathetic. It’s especially common amongst Marvel fans. People like that only seem to exist on the internet as well. Thankfully I’ve never had the displeasure of meeting one in reality. Sport fans are that way. Rooting for the local team because it's the one they have or for the winner of the championship because it's the winner and hoping it will win again so they can join the winning parade in the street the following night. Pop stars elicit the same sort of interest. All the mods, rockers, flower power, disco, punks, rap, grunge, hip hop and many other genre boxes were more about building groups than about the music itself. All the "stadium rock" thing is about filling a stadium, joining the biggest possible crowd. And of course, politics as well. It’s baked into the human psyche. Ancient tribal mentalities that will never be lost. It’s still super odd to see in entertainment though. I swear this wasn’t a thing a decade ago. People didn’t have unwavering allegiance to franchises, and certainly not to the corporations that released them. I swear half of these people are more shills for Disney, Amazon, ect, than they are for the actual IPs. And that’s really pathetic.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Sept 7, 2022 9:48:46 GMT
And of course, politics as well. … It’s still super odd to see in entertainment though. Is entertainment moving into the political arena?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2022 17:23:49 GMT
And of course, politics as well. … It’s still super odd to see in entertainment though. Is entertainment moving into the political arena? That really isn’t new either. It’s very silly to see people crying about “wokeness” just because there is diversity in a fantasy show or women in a superhero movie. People want these ridiculous culture wars, so they project more of a political angle onto these shows than are actually there. It’s all a bunch of nonsense.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Sept 7, 2022 19:13:17 GMT
Is entertainment moving into the political arena? That really isn’t new either.
It’s very silly to see people crying about “wokeness” just because there is diversity in a fantasy show or women in a superhero movie. People want these ridiculous culture wars, so they project more of a political angle onto these shows than are actually there. It’s all a bunch of nonsense. That is true entertainment have always moved into the political arena. I also agree with the rest of what you write. But i do think and its possible you disagree with me, that when they do put political stuff in shows and movies today, its far more preachy and pushy not always, but often) than in the past, it was done in a more subtle way on tv shows and movies in the past. than what it does today.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2022 20:38:27 GMT
That really isn’t new either.
It’s very silly to see people crying about “wokeness” just because there is diversity in a fantasy show or women in a superhero movie. People want these ridiculous culture wars, so they project more of a political angle onto these shows than are actually there. It’s all a bunch of nonsense. That is true entertainment have always moved into the political arena. I also agree with the rest of what you write. But i do think and its possible you disagree with me, that when they do put political stuff in shows and movies today, its far more preachy and pushy not always, but often) than in the past, it was done in a more subtle way on tv shows and movies in the past. than what it does today. I do agree with that, actually. There is certainly a difference between social commentary and blatant social/political pandering. We do see a lot of the latter now and very very little of the former.
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