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Post by Pangolin on Sept 13, 2022 23:13:10 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2022 20:00:26 GMT
Did anyone watch episode four?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2022 23:45:23 GMT
…Guess not.
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Post by drystyx on Sept 17, 2022 1:33:06 GMT
Yep, just saw Episode 4:
Asshole guy is considered by Galadriel to be a loser when he's diplomatic, but after he breaks a human being's arm, she calls him a king. Hopefully, he'll turn out to be a future Nazgul, cause otherwise this is totally a sick series, since he and Galadriel are both human monsters. If I was king, I'd execute them both. Well, I'd threaten to execute them, and then just banish them. They're both punks.
That's what is known as a f..ing dumbass hole (or is it "hoe"?)
Also, no hobbits and Gandalf (or whomever he is).
I don't even see a reason why this episode exists.
The black elf is about the only character who isn't a complete turd or douche bag. Well, a few others are okay-Elrond, the dwarf woman, some of the hobbits, but there were no hobbits.
Still, the editing and directing is outstanding, if one is into that sort of thing. To me, that's the opposite of what I look for. I tend to see splendid editing as being "wasted" when it's a wasted resource.
Edit: One thing I forgot to add, is that beneath all this redundancy and boredom, it looks like the old dying king of Numenor could well set up to be a future Nazgul. I guess that's why they made this so dull, so we'd miss that point. It's certainly easy to tempt a dying man with a ring that gives him powers. It could be a misinterpretation on my part, but every time the nine Nazgul have been explained in book and film, it sounds as if these nine kings existed very early in this second age in order to be part of Sauron's force. However, I'm not positive about that. They are seduced, one by one. Hopefully, the creep from the raft will turn out to be a future Nazgul. He's not worth anything else, but then neither is Galadriel.
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Post by onethreetwo on Sept 17, 2022 7:07:59 GMT
Good episode. A little slow. A lot of setup.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Sept 18, 2022 16:15:18 GMT
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Sept 18, 2022 17:34:32 GMT
Is this true, does The Ring of Power make House of The Dragon look amateur? An amateur does a good job and hopes to see it recognised. A professional controls the media and "secures" praise for whatever he offers.
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Post by onethreetwo on Sept 18, 2022 20:34:41 GMT
It is true. Rings is the superior series by a large margin.
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Post by Pangolin on Sept 18, 2022 22:11:37 GMT
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Post by Marv on Sept 18, 2022 22:13:29 GMT
I haven't even seen House of the Dragon but I can confirm that Rings of Power is infinitely better. Because if HotD were so good then why would they be replacing the main actress after only a few episodes? Clearly I cannot choose the wine in front of you.
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Post by drystyx on Sept 20, 2022 2:57:14 GMT
That pretty well sums it up, but ironically, since this is the "big production", no matter how poor the writing, it sets the standard for anything about this age in Middle Earth from now on. An entire generation is going to be bombarded with this, and since it does have the technical craft of great editing, directing, camera work, and I dare say that the acting is at least very good, it will be the standard, even if the new generation doesn't like it. This is what they will have in common to speak about to each other, so it's the new standard. The real reason to do this series is of course to make whatever allegory one can make about the nine Nazgul. And while I was very sure the creep from the raft would be a future Nazgul, it is also possible he could be the king inside the mountain who was cursed by Isildur for being a coward, and who regains his honor by helping Aragorn. That, too, is a possiblity. But whichever it is, the show's writers will decide it, and people will forget how poor the writing was. The writers need to buy the director, camera crew, editors, and actors some Pizza Hut thin crust black olive and banana pepper pizza with alfredo sauce.
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Post by Morgana on Sept 22, 2022 14:55:50 GMT
I haven't even seen House of the Dragon but I can confirm that Rings of Power is infinitely better. Because if HotD were so good then why would they be replacing the main actress after only a few episodes? Clearly I cannot choose the wine in front of you. They're replacing her because they are going to do a time jump. She is actually great in the role. I do think RoP is superior in it's world creation and characters, but the writing isn't great. HotD is good but you really see the difference in quality if you compare the two - Rings wins overall.
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Post by Winter_King on Sept 22, 2022 15:01:19 GMT
Not in my opinion. The only thing that ROP has better than HOTD is the visual effects and the difference while noticeable, doesn't make HOTD look amateur. That being said, the acting on HOTD makes the acting of ROP look amateur.
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Post by Pangolin on Sept 23, 2022 22:29:06 GMT
How did the you like the "wolves" (rather daeodons) in episode 5?
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Post by Marv on Sept 23, 2022 22:49:15 GMT
How did the you like the "wolves" (rather daeodons) in episode 5? They were fine.
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Post by Pangolin on Sept 24, 2022 0:16:32 GMT
How did the you like the "wolves" (rather daeodons) in episode 5? They were fine. I thought the cgi in these scenes was really good. It's just that they maybe shouldn't have referred to them as "wolves" as their creature design was obviously based more on extinct animals like the entelodontidae. I actually (surprisingly) liked the scenes with the Harfoots much more than the ones in Numenor, Lindon and the so called Southlands (with the exception of the "Harfoot-leadership" with Sadoc and these older women). I also think that the actors, who played the Stranger and Nori were pretty good.
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Post by onethreetwo on Sept 24, 2022 3:25:17 GMT
Another slow episode. The first one I was a little bored with. Looks like the next episode is more action.
I'm also confused how Mithril is supposed to save the Elves. Like...how?
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Post by drystyx on Sept 24, 2022 3:39:27 GMT
CONSENSUS LOOKS CORRECT: I find myself pretty much with the consensus after each episode, initially believing Adar was likely Sauron (no surprise there, and who knows, maybe he's just pretending to be Sauron, but likely is Sauron), the meteor guy is likely Gandalf (surely no surprise there, though it could be Saruman who resents the hobbit clan, but almost surely is Gandalf), and Halbrand is likely a future Nazgul, maybe even witch king, or the coward who Isildur cursed to be the dead king under the mountain who regains his honor with Aragorn (although he would have to have a long life to be that, so it could be his descendant), and again, it's looking like no surprises.
THIS SETS THE STANDARD: Having to sit through tirades of two characters that no sane person could stand (Galadriel and Halbrand) is something we do because we know that whether we like it or not, this is going to be the standard. They could write Fred Flintstone, MacGyver, and Ernest T Bass into the script, and we'd have to accept it as the new standard. That's how much money has been put into this.
THE TWO UGLY DUCKLINGS: So, we watch these two ugly punks and we know that one will change for better (Galadriel, it is predestined) and so the other will remain a monster, although he will seem to be going toward heroics at points. However, not one thing he does fools a sane person into thinking he's anything but a human monster. Refusing the crown was a lying gesture that he really didn't mean, and we all know it. Like the guy who says "I don't really want to be your leader, but you insist". And Galadriel is such a stupid b..h that she swallows it. She didn't think Halbrand was a king until he broke a man's arm. That tells you all you need to know about Galadriel being a monster.
MANIPULATE THE AUDIENCE AGAIN: So, we sit through their sick tirades that tell us the writers are out of touch with people and with reality. We know what will happen. And neither character fools us, and neither character is worth a poop in the plate. No wonder they have to keep going to the other characters.
NO CHOICE BUT TO ACCEPT IT: The writing is bad, no doubt about it, but the execution is professional. That's what I mean by "me agreeing with the consensus". And after about seven episodes, we'll buy anything they say, even Galadriel and Halbrand. I just hate it when writers and directors are control freaks. I worked on stage with directors who were control freaks, just wanting to alienate and intimidate audience members who weren't punks, catering to punks.
ALIENATE THE AUDIENCE: And it doesn't take much, because the control freaks in the audience determine what their group watches. That's why Clint Eastwood gets such acclaim for making movies such as the one where he tries to trick people into accepting a homicidal maniac who kills women and children into being someone you can care about, and I find the majority of people are sheep gullible enough to buy into that hogwash.
WEARING YOU DOWN FOR THE SALE: So, by episode ten, most people will accept Galadriel and Halbrand as being complex characters, which they aren't, but give writers and actors this much leeway, and they'll fool you. It's like a salesman coming into your home and giving a spiel for 24 hours, and finally you sign a contract when you just about fall asleep.
THE CITY WITH THE CHOICE: Now, as for the people given a choice of staying and fighting Sauron, or leaving and pledging allegiance to Sauron, why doesn't someone explain why it isn't possible to leave and abandon Sauron without pledging to him? I realize there is a reason, but no one has given the reason yet. I realize that there are always dupes who think the devil will give brownie points and help those who praise him for betraying him, but I find it hard to believe half of the city would be that stupid. I mean, even if you don't want to fight, the idea of just trusting a devil is insane.
SOAP OPERA STYLE: I'd like them to stop beating around the bush so much, especially with the wizard character.
THE POINT IS WHO WILL BECOME A NAZGUL: We also have a sick, old king, who could be in a position vulnerable enough to be tempted to become a Nazgul, but we don't hear much from him.
Y'ALL LOOK ALIKE: I get confused as to who the young men are in Numenor. I can tell the tall dark one from the others, but there are about three or four that look alike when they are dirty or wear helmets. I don't know who is doing what, or who is who. We know this is a Hollywood formula script, so we know who will live and who will die. There's no suspense here.
DIPLOMACY WITH DWARVES AND ELVES: Maybe the part with dwarves and elves is more in line with what the writers are used to doing. The writers are in touch only with the most elite people with the biggest superiority complexes. I don't know if this is how diplomacy works, but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt here. Still, like everything else, this drags on like one of those boring soap operas.
SUMMARY: If I wasn't such a big LOTR fan, there's no way I would have stuck around through more than half of the first episode. This is an ordeal.
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Post by Morgana on Sept 24, 2022 12:45:03 GMT
The Harfoot are my favourite characters so far, mainly because Galadriel has the charisma and emotion of a statue. I love the scenery and CGI scenes of Numenor and wherever the Elves lives. The dwarves are done well too. Elrond and the Harfoot girl are the best actors in the series so far.
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Post by drystyx on Sept 24, 2022 19:32:20 GMT
The Harfoot are my favourite characters so far, mainly because Galadriel has the charisma and emotion of a statue. I love the scenery and CGI scenes of Numenor and wherever the Elves lives. The dwarves are done well too. Elrond and the Harfoot girl are the best actors in the series so far. Yes, they sure picked an unusually plain looking actress to play Galadriel, or else they just made her look plain. Cate Blanchett, who played her in LOTR, was cute. I can only guess that this part of the transformation that occurs when Galdriel learns she is being a monster, so when the point comes at which the "change" is made, Galadriel stops looking like a mutt and gets some cuteness. Right now, Galadriel and Halbrand are both plain and hateful characters who are boring to watch. I think it's pretty obvious that they're pairing her and Halbrand as two people going through very similar circumstances who will turn into two different directions at the end. It's so obvious that a caveman can see it. That's the "formula writing" that gets applause from the control freaks. I'm not a fan of it, because I've never seen a rotten person turn into a decent person.
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