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Post by drystyx on Oct 8, 2022 0:52:22 GMT
Episode 7, good grief.
Was there one line they didn't take from LOTR? Or didn't paraphrase slightly from it?
And those were the good lines, lol.
No one from the hood believes Galadriel changed that much from stupid hoe to intellectual. Again, evidence she isn't the real Galadriel, but Sauron in disguise, and Sauron is getting so used to the role that he may think he is Galadriel now. That happens.
And they keep with the 1970s neo Nazi "Hitler-Eva" worship by continually killing any guy who isn't dark haired and any woman who isn't blond haired. This Hitler genocidal preaching reached its height in the 1970s in Hollywood, in movies, on TV, and in publishing stories.
Which comes as no surprise. They haven't been a bit subtle about their worship of Adolf and Eva.
So I'm actually hoping they don't do the theatrical thing and make it that Sauron has been masquerading as Galadriel. That would be clever, and I hate to see Nazis be clever.
They threw in the probable red herring of the dwarf's wife maybe being Sauron, with her power hungry speech, but the logic dictates that Sauron had to catch someone alone in order to take that person's place, and I don't think he could have isolated her. In fact, Galadriel is still the best candidate for someone he could have isolated and took the place of. I suppose Elrond, on his journey to the dwarf mountain, could have run into Sauron, but so far the indications are that Sauron is a bit limited in his range right now.
So episode 7 ends with the place being named Mordor. Big deal. We knew that was coming any way.
But the thing is, the writing directing team KNOW they have all the leeway in the world to set the new standard. It doesn't matter how crappy it is, in 30 years, this will be the standard which a new generation will base anything else on, lord help us. And if the new standard is Nazi ideology (which was the standard of the 1970s, which kind of proves my point) and lack of motivation (again 1970s with the godfather movies, the Leone Westerns, and the other much praised garbage) and lack of inspiration, then anything that isn't praising Hitler, that is motivated, and that is inspired and inspiring will be thrown out the window, just like it has been since the 1970s, by the sheep who call themselves producers and publishers, even 30 years from now.
Still, how can the writers not be embarrassed? It's bad enough that their dialog is awkward (which isn't bad, because good actors can make any line work), but when the writers try to be deep and philosophical, they sound like the Three Stooges being philosophical. Remember that stupid line about the boat not sinking from the first episode? No, you just remember groaning over a goofy nonsense line that some writer thought was deep.
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Post by papamihel on Oct 9, 2022 4:08:13 GMT
I'm afraid the RoP-showrunners are depriving us of a beautiful Sauron/Annatar. ![](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/db/74/71/db7471ebb291ff1e44d64f9baf8b4510.gif) It's not unlikely that in the season finale Strong Woman and Discount Aragorn will arrive to Celebrimbor's digs and Discount Aragorn will offer to help the great Elven master.
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Post by onethreetwo on Oct 9, 2022 6:03:58 GMT
Okay episode 7. Still slow. I forget the scene but whatever it was I almost died from cringe. I wouldn't mind a show just about the Harfoots. They are easily the best part of the show. Sadly now we're only going to see 4 of them. Stupid.
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Post by damngumby on Oct 9, 2022 14:53:49 GMT
Did anything of significance actually happen in episode 7? I did watch it, but maybe I missed something when I took a bathroom break and didn’t bother to hit the pause button.
What I did see …
All the main characters had their plot armor on full power. They all survived a pyroclastic flow, including Galadriel who got it straight in the face. Though they tried to tease us that maybe a person we know is alive (due to his historical significance, later in life), is dead.
The Numenorians fled back to whence they came, after one battle in a small village. Well, that little expedition was an embarrassment. They probably should have just given Galadriel a boat, when she first asked.
That female Frodo hobbit really is as dumb as a rock.
There is a balrog beneath the mines. (Like, we didn’t already know that)
The Southlands have officially been renamed Mordor by the Middle Earth department of the interior.
I was on the edge of my seat, I tell ya!
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Post by Pangolin on Oct 10, 2022 0:38:38 GMT
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Post by CrepedCrusader on Oct 14, 2022 14:32:19 GMT
I'm six minutes into the season finale, and I'm not happy with a certain big reveal. As someone who has enjoyed the season so far, I was like, "Oh, f*** you". Well, I'm off to finish the episode now.
Update: May have been a red herring. If so, I retract my statement.
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Post by Marv on Oct 14, 2022 18:14:06 GMT
I loved the finale. Lots of answers to lots of questions. A satisfying end to a great season of television.
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Post by papamihel on Oct 14, 2022 19:09:01 GMT
A great example of "money can't buy everything". Certainly, no amount money can make talentless people create a good TV show.
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Post by Aj_June on Oct 14, 2022 19:19:27 GMT
I loved the finale. Lots of answers to lots of questions. A satisfying end to a great season of television. The last episode was just awesome. This is set well for a much much better second season.
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Post by Marv on Oct 14, 2022 19:30:34 GMT
I loved the finale. Lots of answers to lots of questions. A satisfying end to a great season of television. The last episode was just awesome. This is set well for a much much better second season. Im very excited to see where it goes from here.
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Post by drystyx on Oct 14, 2022 20:44:31 GMT
Good lord, that was bad. I try to be nice, but my 2/10 rating is super generous for the eight part series. Of course it would be more ridiculous if the first three minutes of episode 8 weren't explained. The idea that Sauron had a heart of Gold and was a misunderstood young man gone wrong through society's injustice is not only a trite Hollywood theme, but a dangerously incorrect one, as anyone in the hood can tell you. The worst thing is that Sauron wasn't disguised as Galadriel, so we're left with Galadriel having zero motivation for a single thing she has done throughout the series. Zero. It's one thing to take writer's privilege, but another thing to just change the entire story. Why not just make a new world instead of totally change Tolkien's world? Halbrand also has no motivation. Still, the other people on the raft aren't logical. The ship isn't logical. The way he lets the hot brunette drown and saves the pale blond is just reverting to the Hollywood Hitler worship of the late sixties and the seventies. So Halbrand spent time in real Earth as a member of the Third Reich. Well, nothing else makes sense. Especially with his continued fascination with Galadriel. But, to be fair, Tolkien was infested with the Nazi demon, too. You'll find writers infested with the unnatural Nazi demon well before him, well before Hitler. Those two are so dull and hateful and unmotivated that even the writers realized they had to go back and forth to the other characters to keep the audience. The harfoots and the stranger may be the best characters. Is it Gandalf? Well, it's a wizard. Hard to believe two wizards would have this much in dealing with halflings, but the three baddies say "it's the other one", which almost makes it sound like it's Saruman instead, but the lines that the wizard says do truly make it look like Gandalf. Radagast would be a stretch. The blue wizards? Well, I guess that's open, but it sure looks to be Gandalf As for the Numenorians (say that three times fast), I want to like Lloyd Owen, but his delivery of Elendil's lines look like someone speaking to an audience in the invisible wall. He does this throughout, so it must be what the director required of him, or maybe he's just that poor of an actor. It looks ridiculous either way. It still looks like Isildur's surviving friend is doomed to be the only one that gets him angry enough to curse for not risking his life in the big war, so that one figures to be the king of the dead ghost army under the mountain. Dark elf may be the most motivated character, and the best in the series. I think the hot girl's son is a bit too Hollywood. He has a Hollywood character, like Elendil, only he's the stereotypical boy who has to get in trouble, and that's overdone here, but that's not a big sin, just a bit trite. Unlike Owen, this actor Tyro Muhafadin, does a good job of delivering lines in a very natural way. I don't know how much leeway the director gave to Owen or to Muhafadin, but Tyro does a very natural job as opposed to Lloyd. I compare the two, because of the stereotypical Hollywood dramatic nature of the way their roles are written. The dialog is awkward, but even worse is the way the writers try to sound inspired when there is no inspiration. Their "catch lines" are not catchy. They're stupid. Something about a boat looking up and a rock sinking. Really? Does this impress anyone not on meth? No, it doesn't. Okay, it impresses a few crack heads and pot heads and the mentally ill. You know it's bad when the best lines are either direct quotes or paraphrases from LOTR. These people have zero imagination, zero inspiration, zero motivation. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if it was revealed that a computer wrote the screenplay. So, let me try to find something good. What does work? Well, the Harfoots are credible to an extent. And likable. Elrond and the dwarves are a bit stodgy, but we accept that due to their royalty. The extras go over the top to do excellent jobs to try to make something out of nothing. They're like my favorite hero, George Washington Carver, who made a world out of a peanut. The editing and camera work is superb, even though the artistry sucks. The technical part is on top, but the artistry part is as uninspired and unmotivated as a Leone Western. So, those people into "style over substance" will love it, due to the technical aspects, but the "substance over style" people hate it, because it wastes great technical work and effort. I was a baby boomer. And the Tolkien world was the world of the baby boomers, so I try to like this with all my soul, but I just can't get into it. The better characters just don't compensate for the two ridiculous ones that ruin the entire show. Why is Galadriel a monster? Monsters like that don't change into people like the sweet Galadriel. It just doesn't happen. The graveyard is full of people who believed it could happen. It doesn't happen. And it shouldn't be preached, because it's like sending people into concentration camp showers. I just don't figure to watch the next set of episodes. Oh, I'm sure I'll be somewhere sometime, when it will be on, but I'm just not interested in looking for it. It's uninspired, illogical, and dull. At first, I thought that no matter how bad the writing was, the writers had total leeway to set the new standard, but the writing here is so pathetic that I'm not sure it will be the new standard.
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Post by CrepedCrusader on Oct 14, 2022 21:59:10 GMT
I'm hoping the Stranger is a blue wizard.
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Post by papamihel on Oct 15, 2022 4:45:00 GMT
I'm hoping the Stranger is a blue wizard. He literally quotes Gandalf in the end.
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Post by stickman38 on Oct 15, 2022 5:30:24 GMT
For someone that would only give RoP a 2/10 or possibly lower you sure did write a lot about it.
Come on, 2/10? It's not "that" bad. The story has some pretty interesting LOTR myths and lore about it. I like the direction it's going but without a doubt, the execution could have been better.
Seriously, things like kung fu elf and Galadriel acting like such a menace.. ugggg... it's a little on the farcical side.
However, beyond the silly quirks of the show, it's been entertaining.
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Post by Winter_King on Oct 15, 2022 8:26:29 GMT
It's the first writing job for creators and it shows. It kind reminds of season 8 of Game of Thrones but without being invested into the characters.
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Post by Pangolin on Oct 15, 2022 12:49:05 GMT
Interesting, Jason DeMarco, a producer of the upcoming animation movie "War of the Rohirrim" was bashing RoP on Twitter: twitter.com/Clarknova1
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Post by papamihel on Oct 15, 2022 14:56:23 GMT
For someone that would only give RoP a 2/10 or possibly lower you sure did write a lot about it.
Come on, 2/10? It's not "that" bad. The story has some pretty interesting LOTR myths and lore about it. I like the direction it's going but without a doubt, the execution could have been better.
Seriously, things like kung fu elf and Galadriel acting like such a menace.. ugggg... it's a little on the farcical side.
However, beyond the silly quirks of the show, it's been entertaining.
No, it was that bad. If someone wrote this as a fanfic they'd have gotten roasted and ridiculed all over the internet. Even CGI was frequently mediocre or bad. And music, while mostly fine, was not used properly. Every other aspect of the show was terrible: writing, dialogues, directing, acting, design, editing etc. If it was any other company I'd say it was a money laundering scheme.
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Post by onethreetwo on Oct 15, 2022 15:12:36 GMT
I thought the finale was fine. Not great but not bad. The Halbrand reveal was dumb. I'm not sure how that makes sense. Like why was he impersonating a human? Other than that it was fine. The second half of the season was a lot weaker than the first half. Overall I give season 1 a 6.5 out of 10.
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Post by drystyx on Oct 15, 2022 15:34:38 GMT
I thought the finale was fine. Not great but not bad. The Halbrand reveal was dumb. I'm not sure how that makes sense. Like why was he impersonating a human? Other than that it was fine. The second half of the season was a lot weaker than the first half. Overall I give season 1 a 6.5 out of 10. I can understand giving it that high of a rating if one just leaves out the bits with Galadriel and Halbrand, which really don't work, and accepts the awkward dialog as just being "foreign" Middle Earth, although if you sent such dialog in to a producer, he'd scream at you for hours. If the series was just the bits with 1. the harfoots and the stranger 2. the dark elf, the gorgeous babe, and her son, I'd rate it a lot higher, maybe 7 or 8, so I'll say 7.5. If the series was just 1. Elrond and dwarf city 2. Numenor, it would be kind of blah, maybe 4/10 If the series was just Galadriel and Halbrand, two totally unmotivated, dull, ugly, hateful characters that are impossible to care about, 1/10. So, if there are five divisions that total 24, divided by 5, then 4.8 would make it about 5/10 Trouble is that too much emphasis is on the worst division. That, and the continual preaching that somehow it's good to leave behind human beings unless they're in mob families. This is too preaching for mob mentality, choosing scapegoats, Nazi propaganda, and the belief that some people are inherently more full of spirit than other people. Just a little too much unprovoked hatefulness preached in this series. Some sick minds writing for this. And that makes it very dull. Hateful people are not "interesting" to people like me. Hateful people are only interesting to meth heads and other mentally ill people.
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Post by Winter_King on Oct 15, 2022 16:06:14 GMT
I thought the finale was fine. Not great but not bad. The Halbrand reveal was dumb. I'm not sure how that makes sense. Like why was he impersonating a human? Other than that it was fine. The second half of the season was a lot weaker than the first half. Overall I give season 1 a 6.5 out of 10. He seems like Sauron was wing it because it this was all part of some master plan, it was pretty stupid. The way he ended on Eregion to convince the Celebrimbor to forge the rings was purely circumstancial.
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