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Post by kratos on Feb 18, 2023 23:06:29 GMT
It seems like everything was going for them during phase 3, just striking gold every movie.
Phase 4 on the other hand, I dunno, I see a lot more people turning on it now. Phase 1 and 2 had a few dodgy movies but yeah I've not seen so much ill will toward the MCU since it began.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2023 23:09:38 GMT
If you’re counting the streeaming shows: No question the worst. The tv stuff really weighs down the average rating. I mean some of those shows just f***ing suck.
If you’re only counting the movies I’d say it’s probably still the worst but it’s a much closer call.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 18, 2023 23:11:36 GMT
Phase 4 has been better overall than Phases 1 and 2, with Phase 4s heights reaching their heights.
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Post by James on Feb 18, 2023 23:14:08 GMT
I say it's more on par with phase 1. Hard to live up to the amazingness that was phase 3.
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Post by scabab on Feb 18, 2023 23:36:04 GMT
I probably would say it was the worst. That there was no Avengers movie included in it is notable enough.
If you go by the movies I'd say the Spider-Man movie was the only one that was really good amongst them all.
Black Widow, Eternals and Thor 4 were alright at best. Doctor Strange 2 and Black Panther 2 were good at best. Shang Chi was quite good to be fair I thought but yeah if it wasn't for Sony's movie it wouldn't be so good.
Then of course you've got all the shows now which I initially thought could be a good thing because it was going to give time to characters who maybe weren't movie level. I actually liked WandaVision, Falcon and Loki. Didn't love them but they were good enough.
But last year I didn't like any of them, didn't think much of Moon Knight, Ms Marvel or She Hulk.
I think what's not helped is for one probably the TV series or at least they're doing too many of them now and also because it's been confusing as to where exactly it was all going.
It was always quite clear what they were leading up to before even years in advance but it was a bit more hard to grasp this time because a few more of the movies and shows were just doing its own thing.
I think the loss of Iron Man and Captain America as well has caused a bit of a blow too.
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Post by Skaathar on Feb 18, 2023 23:59:15 GMT
Oh yeah definitely. The advantage of the other phases was that for every 1 or 2 mediocre movie they put out, they also got in one that was a homerun.
Phase 1 had stuff like IM2 and TIH but it also had IM1 and Avengers. Phase 2 had Thor TDW and Antman but also had GOTG and CATWS. Phase 3 had Antman and the Wasp as well as Captain Marvel, but it had great stuff like IW, Ragnarok, Civil War, Black Panther, etc.
But look at Phase 4. The only truly great movie they've release is No Way Home and that was even partially a Sony movie. Everything else is either just ok, mediocre,or outright bad. And I haven't even taken into consideration the TV shows.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 19, 2023 1:09:50 GMT
Oh yeah definitely. The advantage of the other phases was that for every 1 or 2 mediocre movie they put out, they also got in one that was a homerun. Phase 1 had stuff like IM2 and TIH but it also had IM1 and Avengers. Phase 2 had Thor TDW and Antman but also had GOTG and CATWS. Phase 3 had Antman and the Wasp as well as Captain Marvel, but it had great stuff like IW, Ragnarok, Civil War, Black Panther, etc. But look at Phase 4. The only truly great movie they've release is No Way Home and that was even partially a Sony movie. Everything else is either just ok, mediocre,or outright bad. And I haven't even taken into consideration the TV shows. No Way Home was nothing but gutless fanservice. Wakanda Forever was the better of the two movies.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Feb 19, 2023 4:03:27 GMT
Oh yeah definitely. The advantage of the other phases was that for every 1 or 2 mediocre movie they put out, they also got in one that was a homerun. Phase 1 had stuff like IM2 and TIH but it also had IM1 and Avengers. Phase 2 had Thor TDW and Antman but also had GOTG and CATWS. Phase 3 had Antman and the Wasp as well as Captain Marvel, but it had great stuff like IW, Ragnarok, Civil War, Black Panther, etc. But look at Phase 4. The only truly great movie they've release is No Way Home and that was even partially a Sony movie. Everything else is either just ok, mediocre,or outright bad. And I haven't even taken into consideration the TV shows. No Way Home was nothing but gutless fanservice. Wakanda Forever was the better of the two movies.
Didn't you cite No Way Home as being an example of Phase Four being solid recently?
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 19, 2023 4:24:09 GMT
No Way Home was nothing but gutless fanservice. Wakanda Forever was the better of the two movies.
Didn't you cite No Way Home as being an example of Phase Four being solid recently? If I did, I apologize. It's gutless fanservice, like the Mandalorian.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Feb 19, 2023 4:31:27 GMT
Didn't you cite No Way Home as being an example of Phase Four being solid recently? If I did, I apologize. It's gutless fanservice, like the Mandalorian. The sweet smell of hypocrisy.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 19, 2023 4:39:00 GMT
If I did, I apologize. It's gutless fanservice, like the Mandalorian. The sweet smell of hypocrisy. IF I did. If I didn't then, well you just made a slip up. It happens.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Feb 19, 2023 4:50:30 GMT
The sweet smell of hypocrisy. IF I did. If I didn't then, well you just made a slip up. It happens. Cute attempt at saving face.
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Post by Archelaus on Feb 19, 2023 4:53:45 GMT
Most definitely. Phase 1 had some average installments but it can be forgiven as set-up for The Avengers. On the other hand, Phase 4 was let down by mediocre writing and a scattershot direction with some titles setting up the Multiverse saga while others are setting up the Thunderbolts. Some have complained about the obvious identity politics, but this was not particularly a concern for me.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 19, 2023 4:54:50 GMT
"Identity Politics", another Boogeyman.
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Post by Lux on Feb 19, 2023 8:50:50 GMT
Phase 4 has been better overall than Phases 1 and 2, with Phase 4s heights reaching their heights. Have you hit your head again?
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Post by Lux on Feb 19, 2023 8:58:14 GMT
Oh yeah definitely. The advantage of the other phases was that for every 1 or 2 mediocre movie they put out, they also got in one that was a homerun. Phase 1 had stuff like IM2 and TIH but it also had IM1 and Avengers. Phase 2 had Thor TDW and Antman but also had GOTG and CATWS. Phase 3 had Antman and the Wasp as well as Captain Marvel, but it had great stuff like IW, Ragnarok, Civil War, Black Panther, etc. But look at Phase 4. The only truly great movie they've release is No Way Home and that was even partially a Sony movie. Everything else is either just ok, mediocre,or outright bad. And I haven't even taken into consideration the TV shows. No Way Home was nothing but gutless fanservice. Wakanda Forever was the better of the two movies.
And Wakanda Forever was nothing but a televised wake for a dead actor at least NWH wasn't relying on pity and tears instead of story to steer their movie. Not sure what's happened to you this week but you're becoming a clown. Your smackworthy comments are a problem.
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Post by scabab on Feb 19, 2023 12:16:26 GMT
Phase 1 did Hulk, Captain America, Iron Man 2 and you could say Thor maybe, that you could argue were all in the bottom 10 MCU movies.
But then it did have Iron Man and Avengers to boost that up.
I think what makes it better as a phase though was that all the individual movies each introduced a member of the team which ultimately concluded with Avengers so it all lead somewhere.
Phase 4 was all kinda jumbled though.
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Post by kuatorises on Feb 19, 2023 14:02:49 GMT
I am looking at the breakdown of each phase and I think this whole Phase 4 is horrible stuff is a little overstated. Not that I love everything in this current crop of films, but there are movies I am indifferent on our outright dislike going back to Phase 1. I don't like The First Avenger and am lukewarm on Hulk and Ironman 2, for example. Phase 4 also has TV shows and I like most of them. I really enjoyed Loki, WandaVision, and Hawkeye. I wanna give Moon Knight and the Werewolf show another chance. I thought Moonknight was a little slow at first, and took a break, but finished strong. I want to watch it again without a delayed break. Same with Werewolf By Night. I fell asleep watching it and resumed it several days later. I remember liking it, but hate watching shows like that (a break). Not fair to the show imo. Without them? Yeah, Phase 4 is probably the worst.
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Post by kuatorises on Feb 19, 2023 14:21:58 GMT
No Way Home was nothing but gutless fanservice. Wakanda Forever was the better of the two movies.
And Wakanda Forever was nothing but a televised wake for a dead actor at least NWH wasn't relying on pity and tears instead of story to steer their movie. Not sure what's happened to you this week but you're becoming a clown. Your smackworthy comments are a problem. That is a new thing? Ever since I returned (a month or so ago), I have noticed his truly bizarre takes.
There came a point where I stopped trying to watch every movie (and now show). If it didn't interest me, I didn't see it. That is the exact reason I didn't see Wakanda Forever. I simply wasn't interested in a "pity party" as you put it,Plus, I have no interest in Shuri or Iron Girl.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 19, 2023 15:29:09 GMT
Phase 4 has been better overall than Phases 1 and 2, with Phase 4s heights reaching their heights. Have you hit your head again? No, I just don't elevate Phases 1 and 2 onto a pedestal.
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