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Post by blockbusted on Feb 21, 2023 7:30:10 GMT
Not in this case. One of the things that Perlmutter has said while recasting War Machine is that they’re not going to notice it since black people look the same, and Marvel probably didn’t want to go through with something like that again, especially when that quote first surfaced, some people apparently thought that Kevin Feige said that. Anyone thinking Don Cheadle and Terrence Howard look the same should be nowhere near comic book movies or children, as for moaning about a perceived racial indifference to replacing black actors... white people have so far managed not to cry racism or have a stroke with the multiple James Bond recasts a decade for the past 60 years unless you think one race is more nutty than the other. Than that really would be racism. Again, the problem is that the fact that Marvel has such an unfortunate history with War Machine casting may have prevented recasting of T’Challa from happening since people might’ve ended up getting flashbacks to that nonsense.
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Post by blockbusted on Feb 21, 2023 7:31:44 GMT
Those are whole new universes, not a continuation of the Nolan Joker. T'Challa is a fictional character not a continuation of Chadwick. One does not affect the other. Aside from the whole Perlmutter fiasco, Chadwick Boseman’s contribution to the said role was considered as too important to just brush it off with recasting, which is likely why they decided to continue his story with T’Challa II.
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Post by charzhino on Feb 21, 2023 10:17:56 GMT
Black Widow did come too late, but it also gave us Yelena which was worthy it.
Vision did die, the Vision we have now is a new entity trying to figure out whether he's really old Vision or some imitation. Proper character analysis. As opposed to FoX-Men where it's never really delved into what happened to bring Xavier back. Gamora did die, this is another version of her from another Universe where she never underwent any character development. Proper character analysis will happen in Volume 3. Good that the OG are gone, you don't stick to the OG forever you finish their stories and go forward. Like how Xavier and Jean and everyone else who died in X3 SHOULD have stayed dead.
They are still the same characters whether they are different variants are not. Theres no ''proper character analysis'', its lazy writing just bringing in different timeline versions of the same character which is why the multiverse concept is stupid to begin with as it was in the comics. You talk about OG's. Does it bother you that the most successful phase 4 movies by a long shot have been Doctor Strange MoM and No Way Home? The latter bringing back the OG (and better done) Spidermen and the former bringing in OG Professor X and rumours that more OG Fox X-Men were going to appear. Hmmm seems to me theres a lot of appetite from audiences to see non-MCU comic characters from the past than there is to see the new batch of Avengers. Which is why the new Deadpool movie with Wolverine will make more money than these other phase 4/5 solos.
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Post by charzhino on Feb 21, 2023 10:24:46 GMT
1. What are you talking about? Phase 4 tried all sorts of experimental stuffs including some of the tones that they went with, including some of their most somber films in their portfolio. They tried making Eternals experiemental in its actual style by hiring a Oscar winning director and going that route but failed to mesh the artistic approach with their baseline MCU standards and went back to making comedies straight after.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 21, 2023 13:53:54 GMT
Those are whole new universes, not a continuation of the Nolan Joker. T'Challa is a fictional character not a continuation of Chadwick. One does not affect the other. No one complained when Nolan refused to recast Joker and bring him back for TDKR.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 21, 2023 13:57:30 GMT
Black Widow did come too late, but it also gave us Yelena which was worthy it.
Vision did die, the Vision we have now is a new entity trying to figure out whether he's really old Vision or some imitation. Proper character analysis. As opposed to FoX-Men where it's never really delved into what happened to bring Xavier back. Gamora did die, this is another version of her from another Universe where she never underwent any character development. Proper character analysis will happen in Volume 3. Good that the OG are gone, you don't stick to the OG forever you finish their stories and go forward. Like how Xavier and Jean and everyone else who died in X3 SHOULD have stayed dead.
They are still the same characters whether they are different variants are not. Theres no ''proper character analysis'', its lazy writing just bringing in different timeline versions of the same character which is why the multiverse concept is stupid to begin with as it was in the comics. You talk about OG's. Does it bother you that the most successful phase 4 movies by a long shot have been Doctor Strange MoM and No Way Home? The latter bringing back the OG (and better done) Spidermen and the former bringing in OG Professor X and rumours that more OG Fox X-Men were going to appear. Hmmm seems to me theres a lot of appetite from audiences to see non-MCU comic characters from the past than there is to see the new batch of Avengers. Which is why the new Deadpool movie with Wolverine will make more money than these other phase 4/5 solos. They're no the same characters, Vision is going to be shown dealing with his "revival" and the existentialism of it in his own show. As opposed to Xavier never talking about how he came back.
The Gamora in Volume 3 isn't the same Gamora as the one we knew in Guardians 1, 2 and Infinity War. Different life experiences makes for a different person. As opposed to DOFP, where Logan never once at the end stops to wonder "Wait, I'm in a new timeline where a lot of different things happened. I'm the outsider to this reality!"
No Way Home brought in gutless fanservice to a banal storyline, but Wakanda Forever was a better movie than MoM.
WandaVision alone was better than most anything from the older era, including X2 and Spider-Man 2.
Gutless fanservice isn't something to be admired, it shows how gutless the audience is. You may as well say that Michael Bay is some Great Director for how much $$$ he brings in.
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Post by Lux on Feb 21, 2023 15:32:31 GMT
T'Challa is a fictional character not a continuation of Chadwick. One does not affect the other. No one complained when Nolan refused to recast Joker and bring him back for TDKR. Maybe because Joker is a psychopathic clown and not the inspirational superhero an entire franchise rests on.
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Post by blockbusted on Feb 21, 2023 16:31:10 GMT
1. What are you talking about? Phase 4 tried all sorts of experimental stuffs including some of the tones that they went with, including some of their most somber films in their portfolio. They tried making Eternals experiemental in its actual style by hiring a Oscar winning director and going that route but failed to mesh the artistic approach with their baseline MCU standards and went back to making comedies straight after. I’m sorry, but after ‘Eternals’, ‘Thor: Love and Thunder’ was the only film that could be considered as an actual comedy.
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Post by blockbusted on Feb 21, 2023 16:40:04 GMT
Black Widow did come too late, but it also gave us Yelena which was worthy it.
Vision did die, the Vision we have now is a new entity trying to figure out whether he's really old Vision or some imitation. Proper character analysis. As opposed to FoX-Men where it's never really delved into what happened to bring Xavier back. Gamora did die, this is another version of her from another Universe where she never underwent any character development. Proper character analysis will happen in Volume 3. Good that the OG are gone, you don't stick to the OG forever you finish their stories and go forward. Like how Xavier and Jean and everyone else who died in X3 SHOULD have stayed dead.
They are still the same characters whether they are different variants are not. Theres no ''proper character analysis'', its lazy writing just bringing in different timeline versions of the same character which is why the multiverse concept is stupid to begin with as it was in the comics. You talk about OG's. Does it bother you that the most successful phase 4 movies by a long shot have been Doctor Strange MoM and No Way Home? The latter bringing back the OG (and better done) Spidermen and the former bringing in OG Professor X and rumours that more OG Fox X-Men were going to appear. Hmmm seems to me theres a lot of appetite from audiences to see non-MCU comic characters from the past than there is to see the new batch of Avengers. Which is why the new Deadpool movie with Wolverine will make more money than these other phase 4/5 solos. It doesn’t bother me all that much. Did you forget that ‘Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings’ got hampered by COVID-19? Even ‘Thor: Love and Thunder’ and ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ became successes when you consider the fact that the former had no Russia and China (in fact, the film did better than ‘Thor: Ragnarok’ when you exclude those countries) and the latter had several financial disadvantages Frankensteined together.
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Post by Lux on Feb 21, 2023 16:53:36 GMT
They tried making Eternals experiemental in its actual style by hiring a Oscar winning director and going that route but failed to mesh the artistic approach with their baseline MCU standards and went back to making comedies straight after. I’m sorry, but after ‘Eternals’, ‘Thor: Love and Thunder’ was the only film that could be considered as an actual comedy. A woman dying of cancer is actual comedy?
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Post by Power Ranger on Feb 21, 2023 16:54:58 GMT
Yes. Consider some shit like Moon Knight. That was a waste of time.
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Post by blockbusted on Feb 21, 2023 17:25:35 GMT
I’m sorry, but after ‘Eternals’, ‘Thor: Love and Thunder’ was the only film that could be considered as an actual comedy. A woman dying of cancer is actual comedy? Well, other films weren’t comedic either. charzhino literally said that MCU went back to comedies after ‘Eternals’ didn’t do so well, which is utterly false.
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Post by kuatorises on Feb 21, 2023 18:25:02 GMT
I don't think people really loved Phase 4 even before Thor 4. With that movie that made 4 of 6 movies to score under a 7.0 on IMDb. Now it's 6 out of 8 with Black Panther and Ant-Man. I think love is a strong word, but he's not wrong. Look at these scores: www.rottentomatoes.com/franchise/marvel_cinematic_universe. Christ, even the Eternals has a 77% fan rating. Phase 4 sucks talk only started in the last year. Before that it was more, "Not as good as the past stuff." Now the whole Phase has been painted with a broad stroke.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 21, 2023 20:44:25 GMT
No one complained when Nolan refused to recast Joker and bring him back for TDKR. Maybe because Joker is a psychopathic clown and not the inspirational superhero an entire franchise rests on. He DOES have quite the (midguided) fanbase.
When Ledger died, his fans actually started a movement to have the Joker banned from ever being on screen again because apparently no actor in existence could ever be as good as Ledger was. That says it all.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 21, 2023 20:47:15 GMT
I don't think people really loved Phase 4 even before Thor 4. With that movie that made 4 of 6 movies to score under a 7.0 on IMDb. Now it's 6 out of 8 with Black Panther and Ant-Man. I think love is a strong word, but he's not wrong. Look at these scores: www.rottentomatoes.com/franchise/marvel_cinematic_universe. Christ, even the Eternals has a 77% fan rating. Phase 4 sucks talk only started in the last year. Before that it was more, "Not as good as the past stuff." Now the whole Phase has been painted with a broad stroke. It really only started after Love and Thunder, it was the catalyst that caused the hypocrites to turn around and say "You know how I was enjoying everything in Phase 4 before? Well I changed my mind now I hate it all and I always did and I was lying when I said I liked it!"
Multiverse of Madness did start the rockslide though, mainly because the "fans" were mad their idiot ideas didn't pan out. Like how that movie would merge the FoX-Men universe with the main MCU universe and radically alter the timeline and restart everything.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Feb 21, 2023 23:32:20 GMT
I’m sorry, but after ‘Eternals’, ‘Thor: Love and Thunder’ was the only film that could be considered as an actual comedy. A woman dying of cancer is actual comedy? For the MCU, everything is.
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Post by scabab on Feb 22, 2023 1:35:32 GMT
I think love is a strong word, but he's not wrong. Look at these scores: www.rottentomatoes.com/franchise/marvel_cinematic_universe. Christ, even the Eternals has a 77% fan rating. Phase 4 sucks talk only started in the last year. Before that it was more, "Not as good as the past stuff." Now the whole Phase has been painted with a broad stroke. Yeah but according to Web Archive the IMDb score for Eternals was the same before Thor 4 came out as it is now it's not like it decreased because of it. On Rotten Tomatoes it was at 78% just before Thor 4 so it's stayed the same. It's not particularly surprising it only started last year because 2021 wasn't so bad. Yeah people didn't much care for Black Widow or Eternals but liked Shang Chi and loved Spider-Man and the streaming shows were all generally well liked. It started afterwards because Doctor Strange 2 probably had too much unwarranted hype where people had these unrealistic expectations (probably because of Spider-Man) and it didn't deliver. Thor being one of the more anticipated movies and it being a huge disappointment. Black Panther 2 being anticipated and it's regarded as being a step down from the last one. Meanwhile the TV shows from 2022 were significantly worse than those from the year prior. Ms Marvel and She Hulk especially were not liked. Phase 4 only ran across 2021 and 2022 and last year what was the highlight? The phase is over with no Avengers movie, no Iron Man or Captain America, no debuting heroes that people really took too. It has gone downhill. It's true. Its not like there's conspiracy and people have just turned on it because it's cool now. It's still very popular but it's definitely weaker than it was for phase 3 because the movies haven't been very good.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 22, 2023 1:58:50 GMT
I don't recall anyone actually HATING Ms Marvel. They keep saying no one watched it (which is a BS complaint) but no one was ranting about it the way the Grifters went after Rings of Power and She-Hulk.
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Post by scabab on Feb 22, 2023 2:28:08 GMT
I don't think it was particularly hated but wasn't particularly liked either. It was just forgettable altogether.
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Post by kuatorises on Feb 22, 2023 13:01:27 GMT
I think love is a strong word, but he's not wrong. Look at these scores: www.rottentomatoes.com/franchise/marvel_cinematic_universe. Christ, even the Eternals has a 77% fan rating. Phase 4 sucks talk only started in the last year. Before that it was more, "Not as good as the past stuff." Now the whole Phase has been painted with a broad stroke. Yeah but according to Web Archive the IMDb score for Eternals was the same before Thor 4 came out as it is now it's not like it decreased because of it. On Rotten Tomatoes it was at 78% just before Thor 4 so it's stayed the same. It's not particularly surprising it only started last year because 2021 wasn't so bad. Yeah people didn't much care for Black Widow or Eternals but liked Shang Chi and loved Spider-Man and the streaming shows were all generally well liked. It started afterwards because Doctor Strange 2 probably had too much unwarranted hype where people had these unrealistic expectations (probably because of Spider-Man) and it didn't deliver. Thor being one of the more anticipated movies and it being a huge disappointment. Black Panther 2 being anticipated and it's regarded as being a step down from the last one. Meanwhile the TV shows from 2022 were significantly worse than those from the year prior. Ms Marvel and She Hulk especially were not liked.Phase 4 only ran across 2021 and 2022 and last year what was the highlight? The phase is over with no Avengers movie, no Iron Man or Captain America, no debuting heroes that people really took too. It has gone downhill. It's true. Its not like there's conspiracy and people have just turned on it because it's cool now. It's still very popular but it's definitely weaker than it was for phase 3 because the movies haven't been very good. The audiences scores for those movies on RT 91% and 77% respectively. Hell, Thor 4 has a 77% fan rating, which shocked me. I personally hated Thor 4, but there's an audience for it apparently. Full disclosure, I think Spiderman 4 is overrated as shit. I didn't hate it, but I wasn't gaga over it like a lot of people. Point is people have been very "what have you done for me lately." My point is not Phase 4 is great.
Dr. Strange didn't deliver?! When did that memo go out? I missed that one. I think it's easily the best Phase 4 movie and judging by it's 85% fan score, a lot of other people liked it too.
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