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Post by Lux on Feb 21, 2023 2:26:37 GMT
That was self inflicted all they needed to do was recast they don't get bonus points for shooting themselves in the face. The character isn't dead the actor is dead do you need help in separating the actor from the role too? Chadwick brought T'Challa to life, he's tied to the character.
Look at the Nolan Joker, no one complained that they didn't recast him and bring him back for TDKR. They let the character be removed with Ledgers' passing.
That idiot Cat would like anything. Also not sure if you've noticed but they've recast Joker not once but twice since Heath's death. Jared Leto and Joaquin Phoenix say hi.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 21, 2023 2:31:05 GMT
I saw it, it's rather enjoyable. It wasn't the "degenerate and amoral" film it was accused of being. No, of course it wasn’t. I’m not talking about the gay characters. The movie itself was not super well received aside from that. A lot of reviewers celebrated the progressive elements while also criticizing the movie. That IS possible to do, you know. Yes, but the overwhelming thing against the film was the "degenerate and amoral" elements...which turned out to be nothing of the sort.
If they complain about the story not being that deep or the characters being a tad flat, that's fine.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 21, 2023 2:32:07 GMT
She-Hulk came after the hypocritical turnaround from the "Fans", so they were pre-determined to hate it.
Loki was about bringing in Kang and discussing things like ideas on fate and predestination and timeline variants. It expanded things.
Hawkeye and Falcon/Winter Soldier?
I notice when people are critical of Star Wars you attack the actual fans, but when people are critical of the MCU you put “fans” in quotes. LMAO. Hypocrisy much? The SW fandom proved itself to be a Menace at least as early as 1999, the MCU negativity has been only the last year or so and so far hasn't produced anything as vile as what the SW Fandom is capable of.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 21, 2023 2:32:49 GMT
Chadwick brought T'Challa to life, he's tied to the character.
Look at the Nolan Joker, no one complained that they didn't recast him and bring him back for TDKR. They let the character be removed with Ledgers' passing.
That idiot Cat would like anything. Also not sure if you've noticed but they've recast Joker not once but twice since Heath's death. Jared Leto and Joaquin Phoenix say hi. Those are whole new universes, not a continuation of the Nolan Joker.
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Post by hi224 on Feb 21, 2023 2:33:38 GMT
That idiot Cat would like anything. Also not sure if you've noticed but they've recast Joker not once but twice since Heath's death. Jared Leto and Joaquin Phoenix say hi. Those are whole new universes, not a continuation of the Nolan Joker. lol.
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Post by blockbusted on Feb 21, 2023 2:49:44 GMT
Those are whole new universes, not a continuation of the Nolan Joker. lol. He’s not wrong, though.
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Post by hi224 on Feb 21, 2023 2:52:01 GMT
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Post by blockbusted on Feb 21, 2023 2:52:22 GMT
If they recasted T’Challa that soon, they would’ve met with a lot of uproar. They were in a lose-lose situation no matter what, especially considering the last black character who got recasted had some really dodgy racism issue caused by Perlmutter. If they had replaced Chadwick with a white actor there would've been uproar replacing Chadwick with another African American talent would not have. Some initial comments on Twitter but that's about it. Not in this case. One of the things that Perlmutter has said while recasting War Machine is that they’re not going to notice it since black people look the same, and Marvel probably didn’t want to go through with something like that again, especially when that quote first surfaced, some people apparently thought that Kevin Feige said that.
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Post by blockbusted on Feb 21, 2023 2:54:12 GMT
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Post by hi224 on Feb 21, 2023 2:55:22 GMT
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Post by hi224 on Feb 21, 2023 2:55:56 GMT
I guess thats the prerogative here.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2023 3:31:07 GMT
No, of course it wasn’t. I’m not talking about the gay characters. The movie itself was not super well received aside from that. A lot of reviewers celebrated the progressive elements while also criticizing the movie. That IS possible to do, you know. Yes, but the overwhelming thing against the film was the "degenerate and amoral" elements...which turned out to be nothing of the sort.
If they complain about the story not being that deep or the characters being a tad flat, that's fine.
I agree. That does not differ from anything I said. The point was that it ended up with a rating that reflected the general opinion apart from the people determined to hate it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2023 3:32:26 GMT
I notice when people are critical of Star Wars you attack the actual fans, but when people are critical of the MCU you put “fans” in quotes. LMAO. Hypocrisy much? The SW fandom proved itself to be a Menace at least as early as 1999, the MCU negativity has been only the last year or so and so far hasn't produced anything as vile as what the SW Fandom is capable of. Doesn’t explain at all why you put “fans” in quotes. It’s actual MCU fans that did not like Thor 4 or She Hulk. Many due to political reasons! And by your logic that makes you one of them!
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 21, 2023 4:00:13 GMT
Yes, but the overwhelming thing against the film was the "degenerate and amoral" elements...which turned out to be nothing of the sort.
If they complain about the story not being that deep or the characters being a tad flat, that's fine.
I agree. That does not differ from anything I said. The point was that it ended up with a rating that reflected the general opinion apart from the people determined to hate it. Nah, I'd say the rating was still impacted greatly by those determined to hate it.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 21, 2023 4:01:25 GMT
The SW fandom proved itself to be a Menace at least as early as 1999, the MCU negativity has been only the last year or so and so far hasn't produced anything as vile as what the SW Fandom is capable of. Doesn’t explain at all why you put “fans” in quotes. It’s actual MCU fans that did not like Thor 4 or She Hulk. Many due to political reasons! And by your logic that makes you one of them! Because Star Wars "fans" aren't actual fans. They're the Fandom Menace, they forfeited their right to be just "fans" years ago.
If people complained about Thor 4 and She-Hulk due to politics, they weren't actual fans either.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2023 4:53:32 GMT
Doesn’t explain at all why you put “fans” in quotes. It’s actual MCU fans that did not like Thor 4 or She Hulk. Many due to political reasons! And by your logic that makes you one of them! Because Star Wars "fans" aren't actual fans. They're the Fandom Menace, they forfeited their right to be just "fans" years ago.
If people complained about Thor 4 and She-Hulk due to politics, they weren't actual fans either.
I’m not even gonna try to follow this logic.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Feb 21, 2023 5:00:24 GMT
Because Star Wars "fans" aren't actual fans. They're the Fandom Menace, they forfeited their right to be just "fans" years ago.
If people complained about Thor 4 and She-Hulk due to politics, they weren't actual fans either.
I’m not even gonna try to follow this logic.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2023 5:08:48 GMT
I’m not even gonna try to follow this logic. I KNOW RIGHT!
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Post by Lux on Feb 21, 2023 6:43:00 GMT
If they had replaced Chadwick with a white actor there would've been uproar replacing Chadwick with another African American talent would not have. Some initial comments on Twitter but that's about it. Not in this case. One of the things that Perlmutter has said while recasting War Machine is that they’re not going to notice it since black people look the same, and Marvel probably didn’t want to go through with something like that again, especially when that quote first surfaced, some people apparently thought that Kevin Feige said that. Anyone thinking Don Cheadle and Terrence Howard look the same should be nowhere near comic book movies or children, as for moaning about a perceived racial indifference to replacing black actors... white people have so far managed not to cry racism or have a stroke with the multiple James Bond recasts a decade for the past 60 years unless you think one race is more nutty than the other. Then that really would be racism.
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Post by Lux on Feb 21, 2023 6:46:06 GMT
That idiot Cat would like anything. Also not sure if you've noticed but they've recast Joker not once but twice since Heath's death. Jared Leto and Joaquin Phoenix say hi. Those are whole new universes, not a continuation of the Nolan Joker. T'Challa is a fictional character not a continuation of Chadwick. One does not affect the other.
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