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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 10, 2017 18:12:54 GMT
Actually the critics only give it a 7.5, and I doubt that's third best. 7.5 sounds fair to me honestly. I agree with them. actually, it IS the third-best reviewed ever, based on an adjusted, weighted (Bayesian) formula: editorial.rottentomatoes.com/guide/50-best-superhero-movies-of-all-time/5/ Statistical facts suck, eh? Only the wonderful TDK and Logan ahead of the Wonder Woman. There were several threads on this, how could you miss them Stanton? With an impressive opening weekend at +$100M in the US this is is by far the most successful female Superhero movie ever - and has even beating her male companions. Super hero origin story films usually do not reach this height at the box office. Last November’s Doctor Strange bowed to $85.1M while the first Captain America and Thor movies debuted to just over $65M each in 2011. Not to speak that it's of course artistically far more satisfying than all these lesser movies put together, there is simply nothing wrong with WW, and if you name something, I would find flaw in your trivial taste rather than the film. Actually it gets a 7.5 based on simple averages. There are quite a few MCU films alone above that and others equal, and that's not even counting films like TDK and other non MCU films.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jun 10, 2017 18:28:33 GMT
Actually it gets a 7.5 based on simple averages. There are quite a few MCU films alone above that and others equal, and that's not even counting films like TDK and other non MCU films. wrong Stanton, we will not explain weighted formulas such as Bayesian to you, it's not as sweet and simple as that MCU formula you like to suck so much. But you still got to eat it: Wonder Woman is better reviewed than any MCU movie on the world's biggest review aggregate pool. It's only second to the wonderful TDK and the even more equally wonderful Logan. MCU legs behind. Isn't that literally marvelous? ![](https://s26.postimg.org/jslxytg9l/jump1.gif) ![](https://s26.postimg.org/jslxytg9l/jump1.gif) ![](https://s26.postimg.org/jslxytg9l/jump1.gif)
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 10, 2017 18:38:38 GMT
wrong Stanton, we will not explain weighted formulas such as Bayesian to you, it's not as sweet and simple as that MCU formula you like to suck so much. But you still got to eat it: Wonder Woman is better reviewed than any MCU movie on the world's biggest review aggregate pool. It's only second to the wonderful TDK and the even more equally wonderful Logan. MCU legs behind. Isn't that literally marvelous? ![](https://s26.postimg.org/jslxytg9l/jump1.gif) ![](https://s26.postimg.org/jslxytg9l/jump1.gif) ![](https://s26.postimg.org/jslxytg9l/jump1.gif) I know you think trolling is fun, but I'm an adult and WW gets a 7.5, I don't know what else you're on about. It's right there in black and white.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2017 18:46:52 GMT
Get back to us when anything the DCEU produces makes $1.5 billion, Tristan.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jun 10, 2017 18:52:52 GMT
wrong Stanton, we will not explain weighted formulas such as Bayesian to you, it's not as sweet and simple as that MCU formula you like to suck so much. But you still got to eat it: Wonder Woman is better reviewed than any MCU movie on the world's biggest review aggregate pool. It's only second to the wonderful TDK and the even more equally wonderful Logan. MCU legs behind. Isn't that literally marvelous? ![](https://s26.postimg.org/jslxytg9l/jump1.gif) ![](https://s26.postimg.org/jslxytg9l/jump1.gif) ![](https://s26.postimg.org/jslxytg9l/jump1.gif) I know you think trolling is fun, but I'm an adult and WW gets a 7.5, I don't know what else you're on about. It's right there in black and white. awww "trolling", nice try at a desperate deflection, Stanton. But when online only your intelligence age is of relevance; and in this regard you seem to be emotionally underage to put it politely, especially regarding reading comprehension and understanding of statistical formula, what is so difficult to understand when all facts are provided to you... WW is third best reviewed SH movie ever. Fact. Full stop. Period. Suck it Stanton. It's formula.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jun 10, 2017 18:55:49 GMT
wrong Stanton, we will not explain weighted formulas such as Bayesian to you, it's not as sweet and simple as that MCU formula you like to suck so much. But you still got to eat it: Wonder Woman is better reviewed than any MCU movie on the world's biggest review aggregate pool. It's only second to the wonderful TDK and the even more equally wonderful Logan. MCU legs behind. Isn't that literally marvelous? ::jump1::::jump1::::jump1:: I know you think trolling is fun, but I'm an adult and WW gets a 7.5, I don't know what else you're on about. It's right there in black and white. I'll just copy and paste what I wrote in the other thread here: "I should just point out that the average rating should still technically be a 7.6. The only reason the average rating, as well as the percentage went down is because a review for 'The Mummy' was mistakenly counted against WW. That mistake has been fixed, but for some reason, the average rating and the percentage still haven't adjusted back to a 7.6 and 93% respectively. Just for the record, this isn't me making an excuse. This is the review I'm referring to: www.hypable.com/mummy-movie-review-atrocious/. The one that was mistakenly listed as a WW review."
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 10, 2017 18:57:31 GMT
I know you think trolling is fun, but I'm an adult and WW gets a 7.5, I don't know what else you're on about. It's right there in black and white. awww "trolling", nice try at a desperate deflection, Stanton. But when online only your intelligence age is of relevance; and in this regard you seem to be emotionally underage to put it politely, especially regarding reading comprehension and understanding of statistical formula, what is so difficult to understand when all facts are provided to you... WW is third best reviewed SH movie ever. Fact. Full stop. Period. Suck it Stanton. It's formula. 7.5
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 10, 2017 19:03:35 GMT
I'll just copy and paste what I wrote in the other thread here: "I should just point out that the average rating should still technically be a 7.6. The only reason the average rating, as well as the percentage went down is because a review for 'The Mummy' was mistakenly counted against WW. That mistake has been fixed, but for some reason, the average rating and the percentage still haven't adjusted back to a 7.6 and 93% respectively. Just for the record, this isn't me making an excuse. This is the review I'm referring to: www.hypable.com/mummy-movie-review-atrocious/. The one that was mistakenly listed as a WW review." And I'll paraphrase what I wrote in the other thread here:
A single review doesn't change an entire percentage point. What you are talking about is rounding up.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 10, 2017 19:22:00 GMT
Actually the critics only give it a 7.5, and I doubt that's third best. 7.5 sounds fair to me honestly. I agree with them. actually, it IS the third-best reviewed ever, based on an adjusted, weighted (Bayesian) formula: editorial.rottentomatoes.com/guide/50-best-superhero-movies-of-all-time/5/ Statistical facts suck, eh? Only the wonderful TDK and Logan ahead of the Wonder Woman. There were several threads on this, how could you miss them Stanton? With an impressive opening weekend at +$100M in the US this is is by far the most successful female Superhero movie ever - and has even beating her male companions. Super hero origin story films usually do not reach this height at the box office. Last November’s Doctor Strange bowed to $85.1M while the first Captain America and Thor movies debuted to just over $65M each in 2011. That's typical of biased MCU fans like ArArArchStanton, formersamhd, sostie, and weirdraptor. They can't accept the facts so they'll ignore the facts and make up their own lies.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2017 20:17:09 GMT
actually, it IS the third-best reviewed ever, based on an adjusted, weighted (Bayesian) formula: editorial.rottentomatoes.com/guide/50-best-superhero-movies-of-all-time/5/ Statistical facts suck, eh? Only the wonderful TDK and Logan ahead of the Wonder Woman. There were several threads on this, how could you miss them Stanton? With an impressive opening weekend at +$100M in the US this is is by far the most successful female Superhero movie ever - and has even beating her male companions. Super hero origin story films usually do not reach this height at the box office. Last November’s Doctor Strange bowed to $85.1M while the first Captain America and Thor movies debuted to just over $65M each in 2011. That's typical of biased MCU fans like ArArArchStanton, formersamhd, sostie, and weirdraptor. They can't accept the facts so they'll ignore the facts and make up their own lies. Here's a fact you won't like: the DCEU will never produce anything that will make more than Avengers, Age of Ultron, or Infinity War.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2017 21:00:24 GMT
Wrong again, moron. Wonder Woman has a higher metacritic score than Avengers, Civil War, First Avenger, Doctor Strange, and every other MCU film ever made. Yeah I saw that number.
So instead of just quoting numbers, can you actually articulate what makes it any better?
For instance I've highlighted several concerns with the film and I haven't had one person address them in the past week yet. Would you care to? I don't see any of these sorts of issues with First Avenger which is why I say it's the better film.
- Was there a reason that Ares made his traditional armor out of scrap metal at the end, or was it just fan service? He didn't need the armor right? It never helped him did it?
- Was there actually a point in keeping Diana's origin from her forever? Why did her "mom" say she must never know. I get that there's a thin reason that she wanted to protect her, but she knew full well that Zeus himself put her there specifically for that reason. So she's just kind of being annoying not to tell her and prepare her for what Zeus himself intended her to do. Or did I miss something?
- Nobody seemed all that impressed with her. She jumped to the top of a bell tower and imploded it on contact and she literally only got a few handshakes for it. I don't think anybody bought the Zeus made her out of clay story for a second, but I think I would have at least asked her for more details about that story once I saw her do that.
- If Ares was that powerful, and that influential, why did he even introduce himself to Diana? Why not move on and keep sowing war to the point she can't keep up. She'd never figure it out. She didn't even suspect him, she thought she'd killed him actually, and furthermore she was in a state of complete doubt about humanity. She thought mankind was hopeless. She was basically on his side at that point. He had her broken. And then he revealed himself, restoring her motivation. I know they needed a final battle, but this didn't seemlike a clever tactical move. I didn't buy that he needed her help for anything, and the more I think about it, she didn't win. She didn't figure out anything. He basically sunk the eight ball and then scratched.
- I also thought the final battle lost of bit of weight by virtue of not knowing what Ares' powers were. So he's got Loki like ghost ability, but then never really uses that and instead has Phoenix level telekenetic powers. Now that was awesome, and then he's got some force lightening as well. The thing was he seemed completely immortal, and you don't really feel he has any vulnerability, so when she hits him with his own lightening I kinda said "oh, i guess that killed him." I think the reason is, the sword would have felt like the obvious pay off weapon you were waiting for her to use on him, but then they pull that swerve that she herself is the weapon. I actually really liked that twist. But then if she's the weapon, how does she kill him? Can she just tickle him to death because she's the weapon or does she have to absorb his force lightening to kill him? IDK it just sort of happened without any real foreshadowing or explanation. If he hadn't have used force lightening what would she have done?
- One other kind of curious thing was her power growth. I've compared this film to being the love child of First Avenger and Thor 1, and I think that even applies to her power level throughout the film. She's basically Steve Rogers for most of the movie, and then she hulks up (pun intended), and morphs into Thor. That's all well and good, but none of it seems to surprise her in the slightest. She isn't in awe of what she did, or impressed, or curious, or anything. She just lifts a tank and tosses it casually to the side and says "tank lifting, sure, whatevs." I felt similarly when she started digging into the stone wall of the tower near the beginning. Did she know she could do this? How was she not crushing her amazon opponents in battle is she did. And if she did, why again was the secret of who she was such a big deal. She already knew the clay story right? What's the difference if she knew the rest? Clearly she must have known she was far different than her non bare hand rock crushing friends right?
So, Arch... What happened to your policy of not nitpicking good movies or focusing on the negatives?? So many times you've said that you don't do this, that you don't understand why people do this, but here you are doing it to WW! What gives??
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2017 21:08:27 GMT
I really like both movies. But WW was better IMO. I don't feel like writing a lot right now so I'll just condense my explanation...
TFA has one of my absolute favorite act ones in the genre of comic book movies. I love the tone, love the character development, love the pulpy B movie tone. But act two drops the ball in a big way. The tone is annihilated by the overindulgence in goofy sci fi weapons. I get that they're part of the plot... But they didn't need to play it up so much that it no longer felt like a WWII movie. There's a line there where they crossed into a different movie altogether, and I thought it was a mistake. Also, act two is where the story is meant to increase the tension and amp up the conflict. But here, Cap just mows over Hydra montage style. And it's quite generic. Now, I really like TFA so these shortcomings don't ruin it for me, but they do lower it a few letter grades.
WW on the other hand was just more consistent throughout. If Cap 1 had a better second act then I may have ranked it higher than WW.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 10, 2017 21:49:16 GMT
So, Arch... What happened to your policy of not nitpicking good movies or focusing on the negatives?? So many times you've said that you don't do this, that you don't understand why people do this, but here you are doing it to WW! What gives?? Great question, and very fair.
In this case I was just slowing the role on the "it's the greatest film in 10 years, Oscar worthy, top 3 comic film of all time" train. Now if I had said that about First Avenger I would expect anybody to present reasons it's not, and they wouldn't be nitpicking, they'd just be saying "hey wait a minute, it's good but it's not the greatest film ever." And they would be right.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2017 21:54:56 GMT
So, Arch... What happened to your policy of not nitpicking good movies or focusing on the negatives?? So many times you've said that you don't do this, that you don't understand why people do this, but here you are doing it to WW! What gives?? Great question, and very fair.
In this case I was just slowing the role on the "it's the greatest film in 10 years, Oscar worthy, top 3 comic film of all time" train. Now if I had said that about First Avenger I would expect anybody to present reasons it's not, and they wouldn't be nitpicking, they'd just be saying "hey wait a minute, it's good but it's not the greatest film ever." And they would be right.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 10, 2017 22:01:36 GMT
The difference is reigning in exaggerated praise vs running down a film there's nothing wrong with.
I've already said WW is a good film. There's nothing really wrong with it, but let's take it easy on the top 3 ever nonsense. There's plenty of stuff that is far from the best.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2017 22:09:20 GMT
The difference is reigning in exaggerated praise vs running down a film there's nothing wrong with.
I've already said WW is a good film. There's nothing really wrong with it, but let's take it easy on the top 3 ever nonsense. There's plenty of stuff that is far from the best.
Some would say that a lot MCU movies have "exaggerated praise". Who are you to say what is exaggerated and what's not?? Just because you didn't like it as much as others? Hypocrisy much?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2017 22:11:34 GMT
The difference is reigning in exaggerated praise vs running down a film there's nothing wrong with.
I've already said WW is a good film. There's nothing really wrong with it, but let's take it easy on the top 3 ever nonsense. There's plenty of stuff that is far from the best.
Some would say that a lot MCU movies have "exaggerated praise". Who are you to say what is exaggerated and what's not?? Just because you didn't like it as much as others? Hypocrisy much? They get praised exactly the right amount. Sorry to burst your bubble.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2017 22:14:16 GMT
Some would say that a lot MCU movies have "exaggerated praise". Who are you to say what is exaggerated and what's not?? Just because you didn't like it as much as others? Hypocrisy much? They get praised exactly the right amount. Sorry to burst your bubble. That wasn't my point. I agree actually, for the most part. Reread my post please. My point is about the hypocrisy of deciding what is overrated based on personal opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2017 22:17:21 GMT
They get praised exactly the right amount. Sorry to burst your bubble. That wasn't my point. I agree actually, for the most part. Reread my post please. My point is about the hypocrisy of deciding what is overrated based on personal opinion. Oh, lay off, dude. You know just as well as everyone else that saying "WONDER WOMAN IS THE BEST FILM IN A DECADE!!!!1111"; "TOP SUPERHERO MOVIE EVA!", "DESERVES AN OSCAR!", and such is a bit much.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2017 22:20:07 GMT
That wasn't my point. I agree actually, for the most part. Reread my post please. My point is about the hypocrisy of deciding what is overrated based on personal opinion. Oh, lay off, dude. You know just as well as everyone else that saying "WONDER WOMAN IS THE BEST FILM IN A DECADE!!!!1111"; "TOP SUPERHERO MOVIE EVA!", "DESERVES AN OSCAR!", and such is a bit much. This isn't about that, raptor. It's about Stanton constantly lashing out at me saying that people should never say anything bad about good movies and then turning around and doing exactly what he says he doesn't do.
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