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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jun 9, 2017 16:58:26 GMT
Yes, I definitely think SR was better than BB. And, although I enjoyed WM on a personal level, I can also see why both IM would be rated higher. Wow. SR over BB? Uhmm... ok, I can respect your opinion. I guess that also means you agree that IM1 is better than TDKR and WW? I know you are trying to "zing" me, but I am going to just keep answering honestly. I always thought BB was overrated, and I never did like IM. I did not like TDKR initially, but, over time, it really grew on me ( like a mole, lol ) At this point, I consider it among the all time best.
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Post by Skaathar on Jun 9, 2017 17:12:25 GMT
Wow. SR over BB? Uhmm... ok, I can respect your opinion. I guess that also means you agree that IM1 is better than TDKR and WW? I know you are trying to "zing" me, but I am going to just keep answering honestly. I always thought BB was overrated, and I never did like IM. I did not like TDKR initially, but, over time, it really grew on me ( like a mole, lol ) At this point, I consider it among the all time best. Yes but you admit that IM is better than TDKR yes?
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jun 9, 2017 17:13:59 GMT
I know you are trying to "zing" me, but I am going to just keep answering honestly. I always thought BB was overrated, and I never did like IM. I did not like TDKR initially, but, over time, it really grew on me ( like a mole, lol ) At this point, I consider it among the all time best. Yes but you admit that IM is better than TDKR yes? No, I don't admit that at all, and, yes, I do feel a "zing" coming on.
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Post by Skaathar on Jun 9, 2017 17:24:58 GMT
Yes but you admit that IM is better than TDKR yes? No, I don't admit that at all, and, yes, I do feel a "zing" coming on. Ironman has a higher metacritic score than TDKR and WW. According to you, that makes it better. So why are you refusing to admit IM is better than TDKR and WW?
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jun 9, 2017 17:28:03 GMT
No, I don't admit that at all, and, yes, I do feel a "zing" coming on. Ironman has a higher metacritic score than TDKR and WW. According to you, that makes it better. So why are you refusing to admit IM is better than TDKR and WW? Yeah, I saw that coming about 100 miles away. I don't know what to tell you, man. I never did get the whole IM thing. Thought it was pretty funny, though, when all the fanboys were like "OMG best superhero film evar!" and then, when "The Dark Knight" came out a couple of months later, they were all like ".........."
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Post by Skaathar on Jun 9, 2017 17:40:48 GMT
Ironman has a higher metacritic score than TDKR and WW. According to you, that makes it better. So why are you refusing to admit IM is better than TDKR and WW? Yeah, I saw that coming about 100 miles away. I don't know what to tell you, man. I never did get the whole IM thing. Thought it was pretty funny, though, when all the fanboys were like "OMG best superhero film evar!" and then, when "The Dark Knight" came out a couple of months later, they were all like ".........." Well it's not like I was trying to surprise you with it or whatever. And to be honest, I'm not interested in what you enjoyed more or not. I'm asking you, based on your dependence on critic ratings, if you admit IM is a better movie than TDKR and WW?
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jun 9, 2017 17:42:30 GMT
Yeah, I saw that coming about 100 miles away. I don't know what to tell you, man. I never did get the whole IM thing. Thought it was pretty funny, though, when all the fanboys were like "OMG best superhero film evar!" and then, when "The Dark Knight" came out a couple of months later, they were all like ".........." Well it's not like I was trying to surprise you with it or whatever. And to be honest, I'm not interested in what you enjoyed more or not. I'm asking you, based on your dependence on critic ratings, if you admit IM is a better movie than TDKR and WW? Well, yeah, if more critics gave it a higher score, the, by definition it is better. Doesn't matter what I think.
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Post by Skaathar on Jun 9, 2017 18:55:47 GMT
Well it's not like I was trying to surprise you with it or whatever. And to be honest, I'm not interested in what you enjoyed more or not. I'm asking you, based on your dependence on critic ratings, if you admit IM is a better movie than TDKR and WW? Well, yeah, if more critics gave it a higher score, the, by definition it is better. Doesn't matter what I think. Hah! Is that a grudging admission I hear from you? You were so eager to point out how WW is better than MCU movies but now you only grudgingly acknowledge (and never even say it out straight) that IM is better than TDKR. But ok, I'll take that as your admission that IM really is better than TDKR. Ofcourse, that means that you contradicted your original statement and makes my original statement correct: WW is NOT better than all MCU movies.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 9, 2017 20:30:59 GMT
I know you want me ( and everyone else ) to go thru these movies point by point, but I am not a movie critic ( or a professional writer ) and I never claimed to be, so, I will not be doing that. I like FA a lot ( CA is my favorite Marvel hero ) but a movie being enjoyable ( and fun to watch ) does not automatically make it higher quality. I agree. But it is higher quality as far as I can tell, or at least on equal footing. I'm not asking to break it down scene by scene but have pointed out several concerns that I simply don't think exist in First Avenger, the film quality in FA is top end, and I don't see any reason to deem WW superior in virtually any way. Unless you would like to outline a reason to do so. I'm not trying to trick you. I welcome your thoughts, and it's ok if we disagree. That isn't a reason to stop sharing ideas.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2017 1:27:58 GMT
Ant-Man was really bad. The movie was boring and forgettable and none of the jokes were funny. It was so bad that they tried to use the same bad joke twice ("Baskin-Robbins always finds out") and it wasn't funny either time. The reason why ArArArchStanton, formersamhmd, sostie, and weirdraptor are whining and throwing such a hissy fit that so many people like Wonder Woman is because Wonder Woman has now set an incredibly high bar for Captain Marvel. Movie watchers are now going to expect Captain Marvel to be as great as Wonder Woman so they're be extremely disappointed when Captain Marvel fails to reach that incredibly high bar set by Wonder Woman. What's interesting is that Ant Man( that i consider the worst MCU movie) once had a chance to be a great movie. That is when Edgar Wright was involved and if he were to have creative freedom Ant-Man is a great film. Edgar Wright DID have creative freedom. He just chose to act like an unprofessional and dragged his feet for ten years instead of making a movie. Marvel had no choice but to give him the boot, and rightly so.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2017 1:32:16 GMT
Neither is most of the shit that do get Oscars these days. Aw, is somebody unable to handle that most people actually like Ant-Man. You need a diaper change? Not a fan of oscar winners in the past years, mostly i was supporting movies that are nominated but not end up winning. But still they're way better than most comic book movies. I don't give a fuck if people like Ant Man, i don't and that's it. You two, on the other hand seem to mind that people like Wonder Woman more than you think it's ok In your opinion, the Oscar winners were better than most comic book movies. I will watch and rewatch Ant-man a million times before I touch the self-important dreck that is Birdman again. "You two, on the other hand seem to mind that people like Wonder Woman more than you think it's ok" Yeah, just keep telling yourself that, because heaven forbid we simply just don't think the film is the best thing ever.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jun 10, 2017 4:07:11 GMT
Well, yeah, if more critics gave it a higher score, the, by definition it is better. Doesn't matter what I think. Hah! Is that a grudging admission I hear from you? You were so eager to point out how WW is better than MCU movies but now you only grudgingly acknowledge (and never even say it out straight) that IM is better than TDKR. But ok, I'll take that as your admission that IM really is better than TDKR. Ofcourse, that means that you contradicted your original statement and makes my original statement correct: WW is NOT better than all MCU movies. I'm not "grudging" anything. I did not realize IM was rated higher than WW. I didn't "contradict" shit.
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Post by miike80 on Jun 10, 2017 7:33:33 GMT
Not a fan of oscar winners in the past years, mostly i was supporting movies that are nominated but not end up winning. But still they're way better than most comic book movies. I don't give a fuck if people like Ant Man, i don't and that's it. You two, on the other hand seem to mind that people like Wonder Woman more than you think it's ok In your opinion, the Oscar winners were better than most comic book movies. I will watch and rewatch Ant-man a million times before I touch the self-important dreck that is Birdman again. "You two, on the other hand seem to mind that people like Wonder Woman more than you think it's ok" Yeah, just keep telling yourself that, because heaven forbid we simply just don't think the film is the best thing ever. And God forbid anyone says anything even remotely negative about an MCU movie
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 10, 2017 9:03:23 GMT
What's interesting is that Ant Man( that i consider the worst MCU movie) once had a chance to be a great movie. That is when Edgar Wright was involved and if he were to have creative freedom Ant-Man is a great film. Edgar Wright DID have creative freedom. He just chose to act like an unprofessional and dragged his feet for ten years instead of making a movie. More MCU fan bullshit! How could Edgar Wright drag his feet for 10 years on Ant-Man when MCU's first movie was less than 10 years ago?
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 10, 2017 13:19:22 GMT
And God forbid anyone says anything even remotely negative about an MCU movie I'm honestly not aware of anything negative about the MCU. You might be able to name something I'm not thinking of, but I'm pretty sure I find everything in it to be well done.
What would you say is negative?
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jun 10, 2017 15:33:52 GMT
Hah! Is that a grudging admission I hear from you? You were so eager to point out how WW is better than MCU movies but now you only grudgingly acknowledge (and never even say it out straight) that IM is better than TDKR. But ok, I'll take that as your admission that IM really is better than TDKR. Ofcourse, that means that you contradicted your original statement and makes my original statement correct: WW is NOT better than all MCU movies. I did not realize IM was rated higher than WW. It is not Mr President, WW ranks as 3 best reviewed after TDK and Logan. Metacritic scores of WW are based on only 50 reviews, RT score on 271 (worldwide). So, your insight serves you well.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2017 16:49:21 GMT
Ant-Man is a great film. Edgar Wright DID have creative freedom. He just chose to act like an unprofessional and dragged his feet for ten years instead of making a movie. More MCU fan bullshit! How could Edgar Wright drag his feet for 10 years on Ant-Man when MCU's first movie was less than 10 years ago? You ARE aware that films go into production YEARS before they're released, right?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2017 16:50:27 GMT
In your opinion, the Oscar winners were better than most comic book movies. I will watch and rewatch Ant-man a million times before I touch the self-important dreck that is Birdman again. "You two, on the other hand seem to mind that people like Wonder Woman more than you think it's ok" Yeah, just keep telling yourself that, because heaven forbid we simply just don't think the film is the best thing ever. And God forbid anyone says anything even remotely negative about an MCU movie I don't care what you think or have to say about the MCU. You're being an asshole. That's my issue with you. I wasn't even a part of your argument with Arch until you threw an underhanded insult my way for no reason.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 10, 2017 17:50:07 GMT
I did not realize IM was rated higher than WW. It is not Mr President, WW ranks as 3 best reviewed after TDK and Logan. Metacritic scores of WW are based on only 50 reviews, RT score on 271 (worldwide). So, your insight serves you well. Actually the critics only give it a 7.5, and I doubt that's third best. 7.5 sounds fair to me honestly. I agree with them.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jun 10, 2017 18:10:14 GMT
It is not Mr President, WW ranks as 3 best reviewed after TDK and Logan. Metacritic scores of WW are based on only 50 reviews, RT score on 271 (worldwide). So, your insight serves you well. Actually the critics only give it a 7.5, and I doubt that's third best. 7.5 sounds fair to me honestly. I agree with them. actually, it IS the third-best reviewed ever, based on an adjusted, weighted (Bayesian) formula: editorial.rottentomatoes.com/guide/50-best-superhero-movies-of-all-time/5/ Statistical facts suck, eh? Only the wonderful TDK and Logan ahead of the Wonder Woman. There were several threads on this, how could you miss them Stanton? With an impressive opening weekend at +$100M in the US this is is by far the most successful female Superhero movie ever - and has even beating her male companions. Super hero origin story films usually do not reach this height at the box office. Last November’s Doctor Strange bowed to $85.1M while the first Captain America and Thor movies debuted to just over $65M each in 2011. Not to speak that it's of course artistically far more satisfying than all these lesser movies put together, there is simply nothing wrong with WW, and if you name something, I would find flaw in your trivial taste rather than the film.
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