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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2017 3:03:29 GMT
It was the Nolan Dark Knight fans, though. I was a hardcore DC fan in 2008 when both Dark Knight and Ironman rolled out. Yeah, it was mostly the DC fans being arrogant wine-sniffing snobs picking a fight with the Marvel fandom. I switched sides when DC's film output started sucking. so? You said that both sides will blame each other. Well, I'm someone who was on DC's side when the rivalry started with the releases of Ironman and The Dark Knight. And it WAS the DC fans' fault. I was there on both boards. I'd know. |
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Post by brownstones on Jul 2, 2017 4:00:22 GMT
You said that both sides will blame each other. Well, I'm someone who was on DC's side when the rivalry started with the releases of Ironman and The Dark Knight. And it WAS the DC fans' fault. I was there on both boards. I'd know. okay? so perhaps it was some dc fans who started to stoke the flames, but as someone who decided to poke their head into this "thing" 7 to 8 years after 2008 my experience is quite different, with that experience being filled with a surprising amount of annoyance because of the amount of vitriol stemming from both sides. besides, if you can recognize them as hardcore fans then you should also know to take everything they claim to be true with a grain of salt. for example DC fan, I haven't the least interest in what he has to say, because I know there is nothing to take seriously. |
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jul 2, 2017 4:02:33 GMT
It's mainly MCU fans. I enjoy DC movies as well as Marvel movies, such as the first 2 Spider-Man movies, some of the X-Men movies, and even the first 2 Fantastic Four movies (but not the 2015 Fantastic Four reboot, which was just awful). But MCU fans just want MCU to have a monopoly on all superhero movies. There are MCU fans here who hate on all the X-Men movies simply because they're made by Fox and not MCU. Me too. Dude... Come on... Your countless anti-MCU threads and posts says otherwise. Wow. I'm shocked as all hell. Next they'll deny this, or their comments here sometime soon on another topic. |
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Post by poelzig on Jul 2, 2017 4:17:12 GMT
well, every side will blame the other, MCU fans claim retaliation for getting insulted, and DCEU fans say the same about MCU fans. now I will admit DCEU fans have been a bit more "dramatic" or aggressive since they have felt "against the ropes" which leads some people to do and say stupid things, but those who constantly stoke this annoying and semi-toxic flame, who cannot simply let it be and seek "retribution," probably have some anti-social tendencies.....regardless of side. It was the Nolan Dark Knight fans, though. I was a hardcore DC fan in 2008 when both Dark Knight and Ironman rolled out. Yeah, it was mostly the DC fans being arrogant wine-sniffing snobs picking a fight with the Marvel fandom. I switched sides when DC's film output started sucking. "I switched sides when DC's film output started sucking." Just when you think cap couldn't get any more annoying he proudly proclaims himself a bandwagon fan. Pathetic. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2017 6:10:14 GMT
You said that both sides will blame each other. Well, I'm someone who was on DC's side when the rivalry started with the releases of Ironman and The Dark Knight. And it WAS the DC fans' fault. I was there on both boards. I'd know. okay? so perhaps it was some dc fans who started to stoke the flames, but as someone who decided to poke their head into this "thing" 7 to 8 years after 2008 my experience is quite different, with that experience being filled with a surprising amount of annoyance because of the amount of vitriol stemming from both sides. besides, if you can recognize them as hardcore fans then you should also know to take everything they claim to be true with a grain of salt. for example DC fan, I haven't the least interest in what he has to say, because I know there is nothing to take seriously. I'm just telling you what actually happened. Oh, it was more than "some DC fans." Yeah, 7-8 years after the start is more than enough time for both sides to grow so tired of each other that a deep loathing set in. Like I've said from the very beginning, Christopher Nolan has much to answer for. Before The Dark Knight got the Nolanites so sure of themselves, there WAS a time on IMDb-Prime when you could civilly discuss comic book movies with other people. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2017 6:11:34 GMT
It was the Nolan Dark Knight fans, though. I was a hardcore DC fan in 2008 when both Dark Knight and Ironman rolled out. Yeah, it was mostly the DC fans being arrogant wine-sniffing snobs picking a fight with the Marvel fandom. I switched sides when DC's film output started sucking. "I switched sides when DC's film output started sucking." Just when you think cap couldn't get any more annoying he proudly proclaims himself a bandwagon fan. Pathetic. Just keep showing your true colors, troll. |
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Post by poelzig on Jul 2, 2017 7:19:13 GMT
"I switched sides when DC's film output started sucking." Just when you think cap couldn't get any more annoying he proudly proclaims himself a bandwagon fan. Pathetic. Just keep showing your true colors, troll. You have discovered the truth. I think bandwagon fans are pathetic. I just never knew they existed outside of sports. I have a feeling you don't like sports though. |
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Post by gromel on Jul 2, 2017 7:58:39 GMT
well, every side will blame the other, MCU fans claim retaliation for getting insulted, and DCEU fans say the same about MCU fans. now I will admit DCEU fans have been a bit more "dramatic" or aggressive since they have felt "against the ropes" which leads some people to do and say stupid things, but those who constantly stoke this annoying and semi-toxic flame, who cannot simply let it be and seek "retribution," probably have some anti-social tendencies.....regardless of side. It was the Nolan Dark Knight fans, though. I was a hardcore DC fan in 2008 when both Dark Knight and Ironman rolled out. Yeah, it was mostly the DC fans being arrogant wine-sniffing snobs picking a fight with the Marvel fandom. I switched sides when DC's film output started sucking. I dunno, seems to me Nolan era fans aren't the same people as DCEU era fans. The former never really had to deal with poorly received films aiming for the same thing as the competition, and try to defend them while getting heat from everyone else including other DC fans. If Burton fans for instance tried to criticize the Nolan films they'd be mocked for sour graping. |
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Post by Marv on Jul 2, 2017 11:20:27 GMT
Arch I think you misunderstand what I mean. I'm not talking about watching a movie and saying that movie is crap. I'm talking about the preordained bias based on nothing more than a label. The people that put all their eggs in the D.C. Or Marvel basket and refuse to acknowledge the others successes and point out all their failures. Even wishing for it so that one label can reign supreme. I just don't get that mindset. I don't get having a rooting interest in this case since imo if they all make great movies we all win. I'd rather a dozen great comic book movies a year than 6 great MCU ones and 6 crappy DC ones.
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Post by charzhino on Jul 2, 2017 12:25:37 GMT
Arch I think you misunderstand what I mean. I'm not talking about watching a movie and saying that movie is crap. I'm talking about the preordained bias based on nothing more than a label. The people that put all their eggs in the D.C. Or Marvel basket and refuse to acknowledge the others successes and point out all their failures. Even wishing for it so that one label can reign supreme. If a movie studio consistently is bringing you formulaic, predictable, generic films then developing a pre-ordained bias is a consequence of that, not a reaction. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Jul 2, 2017 13:29:56 GMT
You said that both sides will blame each other. Well, I'm someone who was on DC's side when the rivalry started with the releases of Ironman and The Dark Knight. And it WAS the DC fans' fault. I was there on both boards. I'd know. okay? so perhaps it was some dc fans who started to stoke the flames, but as someone who decided to poke their head into this "thing" 7 to 8 years after 2008 my experience is quite different, with that experience being filled with a surprising amount of annoyance because of the amount of vitriol stemming from both sides. besides, if you can recognize them as hardcore fans then you should also know to take everything they claim to be true with a grain of salt. for example DC fan, I haven't the least interest in what he has to say, because I know there is nothing to take seriously. You guys do know this rivalry didn't start in 2008, right? It started in the comics more than half a century ago. As long as there are 2 or more entities doing the same thing, there will be rivalries. Even if there was one comic book company it will boil down to which super team was the best. If there was only 1 super team it will go down to which character was the best. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Jul 2, 2017 13:43:10 GMT
Arch I think you misunderstand what I mean. I'm not talking about watching a movie and saying that movie is crap. I'm talking about the preordained bias based on nothing more than a label. The people that put all their eggs in the D.C. Or Marvel basket and refuse to acknowledge the others successes and point out all their failures. Even wishing for it so that one label can reign supreme. If a movie studio consistently is bringing you formulaic, predictable, generic films then developing a pre-ordained bias is a consequence of that, not a reaction. But wouldn't this come down to the movies you like or want to like? The X-men movies are some of the most predictable movies ever. It got so bad that they are making fun of their predictability and cliches in their own movies. All of the DCEU movies were predictable, even Wonder Woman (and I liked that one). I don't see the predictability in the MCU. Well, some of it because they adhere to the comics. And, also, they give you a schedule of the upcoming movies so you know if someone will make it. But you really can't tell what will happen in the movies. In the X-men movies I knew what was going to happen because I figured out the director and writers. The DCEU I figured out because of the person in charge (Snyder) and for Wonder Woman, the trailers. Maybe in some ways I'm more of a DC and X-men fan than I am a fan of the Avengers side of Marvel and is more critical of them (but at the same time I liked Deadpool, First Class, Wonder Woman and Logan). Maybe it's not a bias, but that the movies actually aren't good. |
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Post by Marv on Jul 2, 2017 13:44:05 GMT
Arch I think you misunderstand what I mean. I'm not talking about watching a movie and saying that movie is crap. I'm talking about the preordained bias based on nothing more than a label. The people that put all their eggs in the D.C. Or Marvel basket and refuse to acknowledge the others successes and point out all their failures. Even wishing for it so that one label can reign supreme. I just don't get that mindset. I don't get having a rooting interest in this case since imo if they all make great movies we all win. I'd rather a dozen great comic book movies a year than 6 great MCU ones and 6 crappy DC ones. Marvel and DC's rivalry has existed for decades in comics. Now that the big two have their own cinematic universes, their differences in creative direction will only get more noticeable as fans compare them more often than ever. I know that. What I'm saying is I don't understand fans getting entrenched in this rivalry. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Jul 2, 2017 13:57:58 GMT
Marvel and DC's rivalry has existed for decades in comics. Now that the big two have their own cinematic universes, their differences in creative direction will only get more noticeable as fans compare them more often than ever. I know that. What I'm saying is I don't understand fans getting entrenched in this rivalry. It's probably because you aren't mentally invested in it. You're name is Marv and you have a Marv avatar. That's a Dark Horse character. A company that is outside of the big 2. I bet there is something out there that you like more than something else and will argue why that is better than that other thing. |
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Post by Marv on Jul 2, 2017 14:08:51 GMT
I know that. What I'm saying is I don't understand fans getting entrenched in this rivalry. It's probably because you aren't mentally invested in it. You're name is Marv and you have a Marv avatar. That's a Dark Horse character. A company that is outside of the big 2. I bet there is something out there that you like more than something else and will argue why that is better than that other thing. Right. I made my screen name on old imdb back in 2005 after I saw Sin City, in which I loved the character of Marv. It doesn't really have anything to do with my fanhood of Dark Horse comics. Truthfully I don't know if I'd be accurate in naming any other Dark Horse comics outside Sin City and Spawn. Again I'm not saying you have to like everything equally and have no favorites. I just don't understand why people actively root against one side. I especially don't understand the line between D.C. And Marvel. Wonder Woman had the structure and feel of your typical Marvel film. If anything fans of Marvel would appreciate that movie. And D.C. fans that claim most Marvel films are cookie cutter should hate just how cookie cutter Wonder Woman was! Too many of these people lack objectivity. That's just in the film world. Comics are all about the writer. Writers change comics all the time and change companies all the time. I've read enough to know that just because Green Lantern is a good comic today doesn't mean it always was or always will be. Bad writers make bad comics, good writers make good comics. That should be the line in the sand. Not some company label. |
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Post by brownstones on Jul 2, 2017 15:18:29 GMT
okay? so perhaps it was some dc fans who started to stoke the flames, but as someone who decided to poke their head into this "thing" 7 to 8 years after 2008 my experience is quite different, with that experience being filled with a surprising amount of annoyance because of the amount of vitriol stemming from both sides. besides, if you can recognize them as hardcore fans then you should also know to take everything they claim to be true with a grain of salt. for example DC fan, I haven't the least interest in what he has to say, because I know there is nothing to take seriously. You guys do know this rivalry didn't start in 2008, right? It started in the comics more than half a century ago. As long as there are 2 or more entities doing the same thing, there will be rivalries. Even if there was one comic book company it will boil down to which super team was the best. If there was only 1 super team it will go down to which character was the best. yeah........once you give people options to anything a rivalry shall being, i'm pretty sure you'll find idiots bickering over McDonalds vs Burger King vs Wendy's. so yeah, there has probably and will always be a rivalry when it comes to DC vs Marvel, and that's fine since arguing is natural, but I really dislike much of what I saw on IMDB, and here (but to much lesser extent) i'm just saying that the rivalry we exacerbated once the genre took hold with the general public, and once social media began to bloom. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Jul 2, 2017 15:55:34 GMT
It's probably because you aren't mentally invested in it. You're name is Marv and you have a Marv avatar. That's a Dark Horse character. A company that is outside of the big 2. I bet there is something out there that you like more than something else and will argue why that is better than that other thing. Right. I made my screen name on old imdb back in 2005 after I saw Sin City, in which I loved the character of Marv. It doesn't really have anything to do with my fanhood of Dark Horse comics. Truthfully I don't know if I'd be accurate in naming any other Dark Horse comics outside Sin City and Spawn. Again I'm not saying you have to like everything equally and have no favorites. I just don't understand why people actively root against one side. I especially don't understand the line between D.C. And Marvel. Wonder Woman had the structure and feel of your typical Marvel film. If anything fans of Marvel would appreciate that movie. And D.C. fans that claim most Marvel films are cookie cutter should hate just how cookie cutter Wonder Woman was! Too many of these people lack objectivity. That's just in the film world. Comics are all about the writer. Writers change comics all the time and change companies all the time. I've read enough to know that just because Green Lantern is a good comic today doesn't mean it always was or always will be. Bad writers make bad comics, good writers make good comics. That should be the line in the sand. Not some company label. Spawn is Image.  It may not show your fanhood, but it does hint to going for the 3rd option and not adhering to the big 2. Going outside the norm as it were. It's like listening to 2 people argue over going to McDonald's or Burger King, but you'd rather hit up Wendy's and don't care for the other 2 much. I think that's why you do understand the rivalry. You are outside of it. And that's the thing about Wonder Woman. The DC fans love it and want to hate Marvel. They don't hate Marvel because of how the movies are made. They want to hate on Marvel because of the name. The DCEU can make all their movies like Marvel movies and they will claim they are better without seeing that they are liking the same type of movies. But not if you have grown to like that comic or even that character. A kid won't notice or care about the writer of a comic book. The first thing they'll notice is the art or even the character. The adventures of a space cop might interest them more than urban Robin Hood. Then that spreads to the comics associated with it. As they become adults, Green Lantern would still be their favorite comic. Then what happens when that other company doesn't have those characters? This is my favorite company because they have my favorite characters. My favorite comic character growing up is Robin. That extends to liking the Batfamily, the Titans, Young Justice (not just Grayson, but Drake also) and all the characters associated with those teams. But the weird thing about that is that I like the characters as a whole over at Marvel. I like Spider-man. I can't tell you who my favorite X-man is because I like the team as a whole. I'd pick up more random Marvel issues than I would DC. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Jul 2, 2017 16:07:04 GMT
You guys do know this rivalry didn't start in 2008, right? It started in the comics more than half a century ago. As long as there are 2 or more entities doing the same thing, there will be rivalries. Even if there was one comic book company it will boil down to which super team was the best. If there was only 1 super team it will go down to which character was the best. yeah........once you give people options to anything a rivalry shall being, i'm pretty sure you'll find idiots bickering over McDonalds vs Burger King vs Wendy's. so yeah, there has probably and will always be a rivalry when it comes to DC vs Marvel, and that's fine since arguing is natural, but I really dislike much of what I saw on IMDB, and here (but to much lesser extent) i'm just saying that the rivalry we exacerbated once the genre took hold with the general public, and once social media began to bloom. Then you also have people like Jason Momoa extending it with the actors. I think him saying "Fuck Marvel!" was the dumbest thing he could have done. On places like IMDb, they took it as personal attacks. If you gave any kind of criticism to the movie itself (not the company, not the source material, but the movie itself) they would go after you. I think that's why they saw it as a war between the studios (which we found ridiculous). They took it personally. |
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Post by brownstones on Jul 2, 2017 16:34:51 GMT
yeah........once you give people options to anything a rivalry shall being, i'm pretty sure you'll find idiots bickering over McDonalds vs Burger King vs Wendy's. so yeah, there has probably and will always be a rivalry when it comes to DC vs Marvel, and that's fine since arguing is natural, but I really dislike much of what I saw on IMDB, and here (but to much lesser extent) i'm just saying that the rivalry we exacerbated once the genre took hold with the general public, and once social media began to bloom. Then you also have people like Jason Momoa extending it with the actors. I think him saying "Fuck Marvel!" was the dumbest thing he could have done. On places like IMDb, they took it as personal attacks. If you gave any kind of criticism to the movie itself (not the company, not the source material, but the movie itself) they would go after you. I think that's why they saw it as a war between the studios (which we found ridiculous). They took it personally. the dumbest thing? I doubt, besides his calligraphy skills are just wonderful. yeah I get people took criticisms of the films too personally, and of course from there the attacks became personal from both sides. |
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Post by charzhino on Jul 2, 2017 16:43:26 GMT
If a movie studio consistently is bringing you formulaic, predictable, generic films then developing a pre-ordained bias is a consequence of that, not a reaction. But wouldn't this come down to the movies you like or want to like? The X-men movies are some of the most predictable movies ever. It got so bad that they are making fun of their predictability and cliches in their own movies. All of the DCEU movies were predictable, even Wonder Woman (and I liked that one). I don't see the predictability in the MCU. Well, some of it because they adhere to the comics. And, also, they give you a schedule of the upcoming movies so you know if someone will make it. But you really can't tell what will happen in the movies. In the X-men movies I knew what was going to happen because I figured out the director and writers. The DCEU I figured out because of the person in charge (Snyder) and for Wonder Woman, the trailers. Maybe in some ways I'm more of a DC and X-men fan than I am a fan of the Avengers side of Marvel and is more critical of them (but at the same time I liked Deadpool, First Class, Wonder Woman and Logan). Maybe it's not a bias, but that the movies actually aren't good. Your right it is subjective but I find the MCU predictable in its light hearted, safe approach for 90% of its films. I already know how Spiderman and Thor 2 are going to play out. Same when GotG released this earlier year. And people complain how the X men franchise is overall directionless relative to the MCU; that is a positive for me because not each film feels like a one watch filler that sets up for the next one. |
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