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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jul 2, 2017 17:41:09 GMT
Again I'm not saying you have to like everything equally and have no favorites. I just don't understand why people actively root against one side. I especially don't understand the line between D.C. And Marvel. Wonder Woman had the structure and feel of your typical Marvel film. If anything fans of Marvel would appreciate that movie. And D.C. fans that claim most Marvel films are cookie cutter should hate just how cookie cutter Wonder Woman was! Too many of these people lack objectivity. That's just in the film world. This is because Marvel has "claimed" a filmmaking model that every comic book movie now needs to be compared with it. Back when Christopher Nolan made The Dark Knight, no one would notice how "dark" and "not colorful" it was, because there was not an established formula found across comic book movies. Since early superhero movies were very different from each other, Batman was never compared with, say, Spider-Man or X-Men on the basis of "fun" vs. "not fun" that floods the Internet today. But after dozens of MCU movies, the audience, critics, and filmmakers have become very aware of the MCU model that they have started to grade all other comic book movies on the same scale. For example, when we talk about Wonder Woman, we cannot avoid paying attention to how "MCU" it is. The problem with this is all comic book movies will now not be judged on their own right but will be rated against the Marvel model. And when "Marvel" is mentioned in all kind of comic book movies (including non-MCU films), it only further exacerbates the debates between fans and non-fans of the MCU formula. Odd, because when I saw Batman Begins in 2005 lots of people I came across online and in real life said it was noticeably darker compared to other superhero movie releases around the time like Spider-Man. That was further elevated with The Dark Knight in 2008 when the only other superhero movies released around were Iron Man and The Incredible Hulk. People in general and fans in particular will be satisfied with a movie adaptation if its a great one, stand alone or part of a larger universe or somewhere in the middle ground like Logan and Deadpool. The reason why people make comparisons to Marvel Studios is because they changed the industry with their first phase of movies which culminated with The Avengers, since then many studios who have movie rights to a chain of superhero characters or superhero type of characters are starting their own universes and trying to echo the same style and tone of the MCU, so comparisons are unavoidable. This is especially true in DC's case as their first attempt at a shared universe was with Green Lantern, which they tried and failed to sell as "Iron Man in outer space"... |
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Post by formersamhmd on Jul 2, 2017 17:46:46 GMT
But wouldn't this come down to the movies you like or want to like? The X-men movies are some of the most predictable movies ever. It got so bad that they are making fun of their predictability and cliches in their own movies. All of the DCEU movies were predictable, even Wonder Woman (and I liked that one). I don't see the predictability in the MCU. Well, some of it because they adhere to the comics. And, also, they give you a schedule of the upcoming movies so you know if someone will make it. But you really can't tell what will happen in the movies. In the X-men movies I knew what was going to happen because I figured out the director and writers. The DCEU I figured out because of the person in charge (Snyder) and for Wonder Woman, the trailers. Maybe in some ways I'm more of a DC and X-men fan than I am a fan of the Avengers side of Marvel and is more critical of them (but at the same time I liked Deadpool, First Class, Wonder Woman and Logan). Maybe it's not a bias, but that the movies actually aren't good. Your right it is subjective but I find the MCU predictable in its light hearted, safe approach for 90% of its films. I already know how Spiderman and Thor 2 are going to play out. Same when GotG released this earlier year. And people complain how the X men franchise is overall directionless relative to the MCU; that is a positive for me because not each film feels like a one watch filler that sets up for the next one. So you're pissed that Marvel thinks about the future and sets up properly for it instead of making everything 100% standalone? |
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Post by Marv on Jul 2, 2017 17:55:04 GMT
Right. I made my screen name on old imdb back in 2005 after I saw Sin City, in which I loved the character of Marv. It doesn't really have anything to do with my fanhood of Dark Horse comics. Truthfully I don't know if I'd be accurate in naming any other Dark Horse comics outside Sin City and Spawn. Again I'm not saying you have to like everything equally and have no favorites. I just don't understand why people actively root against one side. I especially don't understand the line between D.C. And Marvel. Wonder Woman had the structure and feel of your typical Marvel film. If anything fans of Marvel would appreciate that movie. And D.C. fans that claim most Marvel films are cookie cutter should hate just how cookie cutter Wonder Woman was! Too many of these people lack objectivity. That's just in the film world. Comics are all about the writer. Writers change comics all the time and change companies all the time. I've read enough to know that just because Green Lantern is a good comic today doesn't mean it always was or always will be. Bad writers make bad comics, good writers make good comics. That should be the line in the sand. Not some company label. Spawn is Image.  It may not show your fanhood, but it does hint to going for the 3rd option and not adhering to the big 2. Going outside the norm as it were. It's like listening to 2 people argue over going to McDonald's or Burger King, but you'd rather hit up Wendy's and don't care for the other 2 much. I think that's why you do understand the rivalry. You are outside of it. But my point is I don't choose the third option...I choose ALL options! I'm as open to Marvel as I am D.C. As I am Image or Dark Horse or whatever. I don't know why people bury their head in the sand and refuse to enjoy anything but their favorite when they all have something to offer. |
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Post by Marv on Jul 2, 2017 18:02:07 GMT
Again I'm not saying you have to like everything equally and have no favorites. I just don't understand why people actively root against one side. I especially don't understand the line between D.C. And Marvel. Wonder Woman had the structure and feel of your typical Marvel film. If anything fans of Marvel would appreciate that movie. And D.C. fans that claim most Marvel films are cookie cutter should hate just how cookie cutter Wonder Woman was! Too many of these people lack objectivity. That's just in the film world. This is because Marvel has "claimed" a filmmaking model that every comic book movie now needs to be compared with it. Back when Christopher Nolan made The Dark Knight, no one would notice how "dark" and "not colorful" it was, because there was not an established formula found across comic book movies. Since early superhero movies were very different from each other, Batman was never compared with, say, Spider-Man or X-Men on the basis of "fun" vs. "not fun" that floods the Internet today. But after dozens of MCU movies, the audience, critics, and filmmakers have become very aware of the MCU model that they have started to grade all other comic book movies on the same scale. For example, when we talk about Wonder Woman, we cannot avoid paying attention to how "MCU" it is. The problem with this is all comic book movies will now not be judged on their own right but will be rated against the Marvel model. And when "Marvel" is mentioned in all kind of comic book movies (including non-MCU films), it only further exacerbates the debates between fans and non-fans of the MCU formula. Because the "Marvel model" made things typical. Once you start to see it over and over you notice similarities that are so frequent they might as well be constant. That's why a movie like Deadpool, with just adding dark comedic humor and some R rated content, feels fresh and different rather than the same old. The various comic book films of the early 2000s feel experimental compared to right now. |
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Post by charzhino on Jul 2, 2017 20:49:44 GMT
So you're pissed that Marvel thinks about the future and sets up properly for it instead of making everything 100% standalone? No I'm not pissed at their organised approach. Personal preference is Im not so fond of it because it causes too much restriction on what you can do. Without Infinity War and Avengers 4 being announced well in advance, there might have been a chance that Cap died in Civil War like in the comic. But no chance of that with a movie planned with him 10 years down the line. No stakes. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Jul 2, 2017 22:41:02 GMT
So you're pissed that Marvel thinks about the future and sets up properly for it instead of making everything 100% standalone? No I'm not pissed at their organised approach. Personal preference is Im not so fond of it because it causes too much restriction on what you can do. Without Infinity War and Avengers 4 being announced well in advance, there might have been a chance that Cap died in Civil War like in the comic. But no chance of that with a movie planned with him 10 years down the line. No stakes. So the only way for there to be stakes is to kill off the cast, got it. That's why X3 was so well received. Oh wait... |
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Post by ThatGuy on Jul 2, 2017 23:26:45 GMT
Then you also have people like Jason Momoa extending it with the actors. I think him saying "Fuck Marvel!" was the dumbest thing he could have done. On places like IMDb, they took it as personal attacks. If you gave any kind of criticism to the movie itself (not the company, not the source material, but the movie itself) they would go after you. I think that's why they saw it as a war between the studios (which we found ridiculous). They took it personally. the dumbest thing? I doubt, besides his calligraphy skills are just wonderful. yeah I get people took criticisms of the films too personally, and of course from there the attacks became personal from both sides. The dumbest thing when it comes to the subject at hand. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Jul 3, 2017 0:36:33 GMT
Spawn is Image. It may not show your fanhood, but it does hint to going for the 3rd option and not adhering to the big 2. Going outside the norm as it were. It's like listening to 2 people argue over going to McDonald's or Burger King, but you'd rather hit up Wendy's and don't care for the other 2 much. I think that's why you do understand the rivalry. You are outside of it. But my point is I don't choose the third option...I choose ALL options! I'm as open to Marvel as I am D.C. As I am Image or Dark Horse or whatever. I don't know why people bury their head in the sand and refuse to enjoy anything but their favorite when they all have something to offer. That's what I said. The 3rd option is not adhering to the big 2. The "norm" would be to choose a side. But that thing they offer may not be for them. Look at the way the different companies have done their stories for the longest. Marvel was more the street level characters types. More of the everyman. Their villains go more with the theme of the heroes. DC is more of the mythical larger than life type. Their villains are more aspects of the hero. That's 2 different world types to get into. Ever notice how when DC tries to make a copy of a Marvel character the character just doesn't fit and is forgotten or becomes a villain? The same happens with Marvel. They have to change the character entirely to fit into that other world (Deathstroke to Marvel became Deadpool... totally different). Sentry was suppose to be Marvel's Superman. Didn't work. DC and Marvel is like fantasy and sci-fi, Star Wars and Star Trek. Some people like either one of those, but can't get into both. Unfortunately that's a large group of people. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Jul 3, 2017 1:10:54 GMT
But wouldn't this come down to the movies you like or want to like? The X-men movies are some of the most predictable movies ever. It got so bad that they are making fun of their predictability and cliches in their own movies. All of the DCEU movies were predictable, even Wonder Woman (and I liked that one). I don't see the predictability in the MCU. Well, some of it because they adhere to the comics. And, also, they give you a schedule of the upcoming movies so you know if someone will make it. But you really can't tell what will happen in the movies. In the X-men movies I knew what was going to happen because I figured out the director and writers. The DCEU I figured out because of the person in charge (Snyder) and for Wonder Woman, the trailers. Maybe in some ways I'm more of a DC and X-men fan than I am a fan of the Avengers side of Marvel and is more critical of them (but at the same time I liked Deadpool, First Class, Wonder Woman and Logan). Maybe it's not a bias, but that the movies actually aren't good. Your right it is subjective but I find the MCU predictable in its light hearted, safe approach for 90% of its films. I already know how Spiderman and Thor 2 are going to play out. Same when GotG released this earlier year. And people complain how the X men franchise is overall directionless relative to the MCU; that is a positive for me because not each film feels like a one watch filler that sets up for the next one. See that's tone you are talking about not predictability. And what you are not getting is that the MCU is actual comic book movies. Not live action adaptions of comic books. It's like reading a comic book on a movie screen. You won't see a bunch of deaths in the comics because they are using the characters. That's the thing that screws over series like X-men and it's lack of direction. They dump characters in their movies, kill half of them off, then realize they need some of the characters in later movies. That Sunspot, though. Let's throw him in DoFP and now he shows up younger decades earlier in The New Mutants. All of them are reboots of the previous movie because they aren't planning things out. The next movie will be the same with names pulled from a hat. So many characters are being announced for Dark Phoenix that you know they are going to want to do something different with that character later on. And I bet the guy doing The New Mutants is a little put out because he can't use Magneto because Singer screwed him with Apocalypse. That's why he has to use Cecilia Reyes (another random character pulled from a hat). Of course you know how Thor 2 will play out. The movie is like 4 years old. You knew how Guardians 2 would play out? You knew Stallone's role in the movie? You knew what would happen with Yondu? You knew what role the Sovereign would play? And how it would affect the plot? None of that was predictable. BvS was predictable. Wonder Woman was predictable (I've actually said what would happen through out and I was right). X-men Apocalypse was the definition of predictable. |
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Post by Atom(ica) Discord on Jul 3, 2017 1:20:02 GMT
But my point is I don't choose the third option...I choose ALL options! I'm as open to Marvel as I am D.C. As I am Image or Dark Horse or whatever. I don't know why people bury their head in the sand and refuse to enjoy anything but their favorite when they all have something to offer. That's what I said. The 3rd option is not adhering to the big 2. The "norm" would be to choose a side. But that thing they offer may not be for them. Look at the way the different companies have done their stories for the longest. Marvel was more the street level characters types. More of the everyman. Their villains go more with the theme of the heroes. DC is more of the mythical larger than life type. Their villains are more aspects of the hero. That's 2 different world types to get into. Ever notice how when DC tries to make a copy of a Marvel character the character just doesn't fit and is forgotten or becomes a villain? The same happens with Marvel. They have to change the character entirely to fit into that other world (Deathstroke to Marvel became Deadpool... totally different). Sentry was suppose to be Marvel's Superman. Didn't work. DC and Marvel is like fantasy and sci-fi, Star Wars and Star Trek. Some people like either one of those, but can't get into both. Unfortunately that's a large group of people. I feel like I was forced to choose a side. Admittedly, I've always preferred Marvel characters over DC characters. But, I always had respect for DC characters. I read DC comic books casually for a number years and enjoyed most of them. During the 90s, while Marvel was busy publishing speculator-driven trash and going bankrupt, DC was attracting the best talent from overseas and undergoing a renaissance with titles like the Sandman, Animal man, Kid Eternity, Shade the Changing Man, Swamp-Thing, etc. I never had anything against DC. I was the first to admit that many corners of the DC universe were more complex and exciting than their Marvel counterparts. Hell Blazer, Dr. Fate, Zatanna, Swamp-Thing, The Books of Magic and the Sandman are three-dimensional magical tomes with a richness that far outstrips the likes of Dr. Strange, the Ancient One, and Brother Voodoo. The tipping point was the announcement of the DCEU. With few exceptions, hardcore-DC fans banded together to declare that the birth cry of the DCEU would be the death rattle of the MCU. There would be no chance for peaceful coexistence or friendly rivalry. It was made clear that the iconic status of Batman and Superman in a shared universe would completely annihilate the MCU. Anyone who dared to challenge this decree was subject to constant abuse, ridicule, and marginalization. This went on steadily for the two years leading up to the release of Batman v Superman. Every day there were new predictions of everything from a $2.5 billion box office haul to sweeping every major category of the Oscars. After that, it became impossible for me to enjoy anything related to DC; movies, merchandise or comic books. I haven't looked back since. SaveSaveSaveSaveSaveSaveSaveSaveSaveSaveSaveSave |
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Post by ThatGuy on Jul 3, 2017 1:32:21 GMT
This is because Marvel has "claimed" a filmmaking model that every comic book movie now needs to be compared with it. Back when Christopher Nolan made The Dark Knight, no one would notice how "dark" and "not colorful" it was, because there was not an established formula found across comic book movies. Since early superhero movies were very different from each other, Batman was never compared with, say, Spider-Man or X-Men on the basis of "fun" vs. "not fun" that floods the Internet today. But after dozens of MCU movies, the audience, critics, and filmmakers have become very aware of the MCU model that they have started to grade all other comic book movies on the same scale. For example, when we talk about Wonder Woman, we cannot avoid paying attention to how "MCU" it is. The problem with this is all comic book movies will now not be judged on their own right but will be rated against the Marvel model. And when "Marvel" is mentioned in all kind of comic book movies (including non-MCU films), it only further exacerbates the debates between fans and non-fans of the MCU formula. Because the "Marvel model" made things typical. Once you start to see it over and over you notice similarities that are so frequent they might as well be constant. That's why a movie like Deadpool, with just adding dark comedic humor and some R rated content, feels fresh and different rather than the same old. The various comic book films of the early 2000s feel experimental compared to right now. Not really. Deadpool was seen as an X-men movie and felt fresh from those movies. They marketed it as an X-men movie with NegaSonic (her uniform) and Colossus appearing a lot in the adds. Last year Deadpool came out and crushed it. Then BvS made money, but the majority hated the actual movie. Then Civil War came out and crushed it. Then Apocalypse came out and people went "meh". X-men never really did well when it came to box office. It did well enough to warrant a sequel*, but it never did Spider-man numbers until DoFP. And that's after the MCU started and with the gimmick of the returning OT cast. Not really. X-men was too Matrix-y and Spider-man was very much a Raimi movie. He used what he did in the Evil Dead and Darkman movies. It might feel experimental because we weren't getting a lot of comic book movies back then. Now that Marvel has their own studio, they can keep making movies. It's very much the same as the other studios making their dozens of movies a year. *But really Fox would have kept making those movies to keep the rights anyway. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Jul 3, 2017 1:40:34 GMT
That's what I said. The 3rd option is not adhering to the big 2. The "norm" would be to choose a side. But that thing they offer may not be for them. Look at the way the different companies have done their stories for the longest. Marvel was more the street level characters types. More of the everyman. Their villains go more with the theme of the heroes. DC is more of the mythical larger than life type. Their villains are more aspects of the hero. That's 2 different world types to get into. Ever notice how when DC tries to make a copy of a Marvel character the character just doesn't fit and is forgotten or becomes a villain? The same happens with Marvel. They have to change the character entirely to fit into that other world (Deathstroke to Marvel became Deadpool... totally different). Sentry was suppose to be Marvel's Superman. Didn't work. DC and Marvel is like fantasy and sci-fi, Star Wars and Star Trek. Some people like either one of those, but can't get into both. Unfortunately that's a large group of people. I feel like I was forced to chose a side. Admittedly, I've always preferred Marvel characters over DC characters. But, I always had respect for DC characters. I read DC comic books casually for a number years and enjoyed most of them. During the 90, while Marvel was busy publishing speculator-driven trash and going bankrupt, DC was attracting the best talent from overseas and undergoing a renaissance with titles like the Sandman, Animal man, Kid Eternity, Shade the Changing Man, Swamp-Thing, etc. I never had anything against DC. I was the first to admit that many corners of the DC universe were more complex and exciting than their Marvel counterparts. Hell Blazer, Dr. Fate, Zatanna, Swamp-Thing, The Books of Magic and the Sandman are three-dimensional magical tomes with a richness that far outstrips the likes of Dr. Strange, the Ancient One, and Brother Voodoo. The tipping point was the announcement of the DCEU. With few exceptions, hardcore-DC fans banded together to declare that the birth cry of the DCEU would be the death rattle of the MCU. There would be no chance for peaceful coexistence or friendly rivalry. It was made clear that the iconic status of Batman and Superman in a shared universe would completely annihilate the MCU. Anyone who dared to challenge this decree was subject to constant abuse, ridicule, and marginalization. This went on steadily for the two years leading up to the release of Batman v Superman. Every day there were new predictions of everything from a $2.5 billion box office haul to sweeping every major category of the Oscars. After that, it became impossible for me to enjoy anything related to DC; movies, merchandise or comic books. I haven't looked back since. SaveSaveSaveSaveSaveSaveSaveSaveI pretty much binge everything DC on Netflix. I'm going through the Flash because I stopped watching regular tv and stream everything. I watched all of the DCAU, The Batman, all the animated movies and am happily waiting on the next season of Young Justice. I think the DCEU missed the mark that a lot of the animated movies bullseyed. I watched Justice League War and wonder why BvS wasn't that. That movie did what BvS and (I'm betting) Justice League couldn't do. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 2:24:20 GMT
Just keep showing your true colors, troll. You have discovered the truth. I think bandwagon fans are pathetic. I just never knew they existed outside of sports. I have a feeling you don't like sports though. And your reading comprehension is terrible, too. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 2:33:15 GMT
It was the Nolan Dark Knight fans, though. I was a hardcore DC fan in 2008 when both Dark Knight and Ironman rolled out. Yeah, it was mostly the DC fans being arrogant wine-sniffing snobs picking a fight with the Marvel fandom. I switched sides when DC's film output started sucking. I dunno, seems to me Nolan era fans aren't the same people as DCEU era fans. The former never really had to deal with poorly received films aiming for the same thing as the competition, and try to defend them while getting heat from everyone else including other DC fans. If Burton fans for instance tried to criticize the Nolan films they'd be mocked for sour graping. The attitudes are too similar for there not to be at least a decent amount of crossover. In any case, leading up to the release of Man of Steel, I still very clearly remember "DOH! HO !HO! MCU'S DAYS ARE NUMBERED NOW THAT THE BIG BOY OF BLUE'S BACK! DOH! HO! HO! IRONMAN 3'S GONNA GET ITS ASS KICKED AT THE BOX OFFICE! DOH! HO! HO!" Then when the exact opposite happened, all Hell broke loose. Then the same thing happened leading up to the release of Batman v Superman. "DOH! HO HO! MCU'S DAYS ARE NUMBERED NOW THAT THE MAN OF STEEL AND BATMAN ARE BOTH BACK IN TOWN! CAPTAIN AMERICA 3'S GONNA GET ITS ASS KICKED AT THE BOX OFFICE!" Then when the exact opposite happened (again), that's when things went from already being "Hell in a hand basket" to something even worse than that. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 3, 2017 4:33:02 GMT
Wonder Woman had the structure and feel of your typical Marvel film. That's not true. Wonder Woman doesn't have the structure and feel of an MCU movie. If Wonder Woman were an MCU movie, then it would be filled with jokes and 1-liners when they showed the injured soldiers with amputated limbs and showed the women and children killed by the poisonous gas. If Wonder Woman were an MCU movie, then the entire No Man's Land scene would be filled with jokes and 1-liners. While MCU movies trivialize war and people getting injured or killed, Wonder Woman did an excellent job of showing the horrors and brutality of war. Wonder Woman did an excellent job of fining the right balance between the lighter moments (Diana and Steve talking on the boat ride to London, Diana shopping for civilian clothes, Diana and Steve dancing in the snow) with the more serious moments (the No Man's Land scene, the women and children killed by poisonous gas, the injured soldiers with amputated limbs). That's something that MCU (which always turns war and people getting injured and killed into a joke) still hasn't figured out how to do right after 15 movies. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 3, 2017 4:38:16 GMT
yeah........once you give people options to anything a rivalry shall being, i'm pretty sure you'll find idiots bickering over McDonalds vs Burger King vs Wendy's. so yeah, there has probably and will always be a rivalry when it comes to DC vs Marvel, and that's fine since arguing is natural, but I really dislike much of what I saw on IMDB, and here (but to much lesser extent) i'm just saying that the rivalry we exacerbated once the genre took hold with the general public, and once social media began to bloom. Then you also have people like Jason Momoa extending it with the actors. I think him saying "Fuck Marvel!" was the dumbest thing he could have done. I believe it was Mickey Rourke that said "Fuck Marvel!" after MCU screwed up his part in Iron Man 2. Or was it Edward Norton wh said "Fuck Marvel!" after MCU screwed up his part in The Incredible Hulk? Or was it Natalie Portman who said "Fuck Marvel!" after they screwed up her part in Thor: The Dark World? |
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 3, 2017 4:43:51 GMT
Spawn is Image. It may not show your fanhood, but it does hint to going for the 3rd option and not adhering to the big 2. Going outside the norm as it were. It's like listening to 2 people argue over going to McDonald's or Burger King, but you'd rather hit up Wendy's and don't care for the other 2 much. I think that's why you do understand the rivalry. You are outside of it. But my point is I don't choose the third option...I choose ALL options! I'm as open to Marvel as I am D.C. As I am Image or Dark Horse or whatever. I don't know why people bury their head in the sand and refuse to enjoy anything but their favorite when they all have something to offer. It's mainly MCU fans that are like that. I prefer DC but I also liked the first 2 Tobey Maguire Spider-Man movies and some of the X-Men movies and even the first 2 Fantastic Four movies. But MCU fans hate all non-MCU movies (including all of the X-Men movies) and MCU fans want all non-MCU movies (including all of the X-Men movies) to fail. That's why MCU fans are hated so much on the Internet. |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jul 3, 2017 8:56:43 GMT
I don't understand how a fan of the superhero genre will draw the line at a particular brand. I've read comics my entire life and grew up watching movies and cartoons and live action tv shows for all different types of superheroes from the big 2 and other comic labels. I just don't get why some fans will draw an arbitrary line in the sand as if only one brand is good and the other is crap. Anyone that's exposed themselves to both brands knows theres something to be had from them all. Get over yourselves haters! It's mainly MCU fans. I enjoy DC movies as well as Marvel movies, such as the first 2 Spider-Man movies, some of the X-Men movies, and even the first 2 Fantastic Four movies (but not the 2015 Fantastic Four reboot, which was just awful). But MCU fans just want MCU to have a monopoly on all superhero movies. There are MCU fans here who hate on all the X-Men movies and want them to fail simply because they're made by Fox and not MCU.
That's rich coming from the same jackass who keeps making the same Anti-MCU threads just to start a big flame war and here you are trying to play the "Oh I'm so innocent, it's the Marvel fans who are the meanies!" card. Your so full of shit! You are exactly like the liberals and the conservatives who act like they're different from each other but are equally full of shit and act exactly the same. |
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Post by charzhino on Jul 3, 2017 11:42:34 GMT
See that's tone you are talking about not predictability. And what you are not getting is that the MCU is actual comic book movies. Not live action adaptions of comic books. It's like reading a comic book on a movie screen. You won't see a bunch of deaths in the comics because they are using the characters. That's the thing that screws over series like X-men and it's lack of direction. They dump characters in their movies, kill half of them off, then realize they need some of the characters in later movies. That Sunspot, though. Let's throw him in DoFP and now he shows up younger decades earlier in The New Mutants. All of them are reboots of the previous movie because they aren't planning things out. The next movie will be the same with names pulled from a hat. So many characters are being announced for Dark Phoenix that you know they are going to want to do something different with that character later on. And I bet the guy doing The New Mutants is a little put out because he can't use Magneto because Singer screwed him with Apocalypse. That's why he has to use Cecilia Reyes (another random character pulled from a hat). Of course you know how Thor 2 will play out. The movie is like 4 years old. You knew how Guardians 2 would play out? You knew Stallone's role in the movie? You knew what would happen with Yondu? You knew what role the Sovereign would play? And how it would affect the plot? None of that was predictable. BvS was predictable. Wonder Woman was predictable (I've actually said what would happen through out and I was right). X-men Apocalypse was the definition of predictable. I don't think having a lack of direction is a major obstacle in judging how good a franchises quality across the board is. Films are not comic books, TV series or novels. They are meant to be judged as singular entities. The best construct that that exists thus far for continuity is a trilogy. Start stretching out a story across more than that number will only dilute each successive film and make it easier to be forgotten and become a filler. Thats why I feel films like AntMan, Doctor Strange, Thor 2, etc are so easily forgettable and low effort, even though they are well received. With the X-Mens continuity being all over the place when you holistically view it, yeah it seems impossible to connect it all (where's Knowby_Warrior when you need him). But for me I can look past it, interconnectivity is not a huge make or break deal. A good film comes first and foremost before worrying about films that happened 5 years ago or one that is happening in 5 years. I can go watch DOFP and X2 back to back now and not care in the slightest that certain plot points will contradict each other. Watch this little 5 minute debate between Navarro and Burnett from 20 minute mark. youtu.be/6ProSbc09PM |
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Post by formersamhmd on Jul 3, 2017 11:50:52 GMT
See that's tone you are talking about not predictability. And what you are not getting is that the MCU is actual comic book movies. Not live action adaptions of comic books. It's like reading a comic book on a movie screen. You won't see a bunch of deaths in the comics because they are using the characters. That's the thing that screws over series like X-men and it's lack of direction. They dump characters in their movies, kill half of them off, then realize they need some of the characters in later movies. That Sunspot, though. Let's throw him in DoFP and now he shows up younger decades earlier in The New Mutants. All of them are reboots of the previous movie because they aren't planning things out. The next movie will be the same with names pulled from a hat. So many characters are being announced for Dark Phoenix that you know they are going to want to do something different with that character later on. And I bet the guy doing The New Mutants is a little put out because he can't use Magneto because Singer screwed him with Apocalypse. That's why he has to use Cecilia Reyes (another random character pulled from a hat). Of course you know how Thor 2 will play out. The movie is like 4 years old. You knew how Guardians 2 would play out? You knew Stallone's role in the movie? You knew what would happen with Yondu? You knew what role the Sovereign would play? And how it would affect the plot? None of that was predictable. BvS was predictable. Wonder Woman was predictable (I've actually said what would happen through out and I was right). X-men Apocalypse was the definition of predictable. Says who? |
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