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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2017 6:19:23 GMT
I had forgotten how much the Fox-Men's Storm looked like a Mass Effect character.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2017 7:52:06 GMT
How childish. They remind me of those people who insist Ralph Bakshi(t) made the better Lord of the Rings adaptation despite ALL the evidence to the contrary. I remember those people, how they prefer a version where Sam is essentially a jolly goofball with a voice that's like nails on a chalkboard I'll never know. They're just hipsters. Jackson's version is popular, and so they tried to be clever by attempting a bizarre counterculture. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Jul 4, 2017 12:10:53 GMT
What's pathetic about people like CaptainMystake is that Marvel created the X-Men. They wouldn't even have their precious Fox-Men series to try feeling superior about if Marvel, the company they've decided to hate, didn't create them. Morons. What's pathetic about MCU fans is that Stan Lee created the Avengers only because of the popularity of the Justice League comics. They wouldn't even have their precious MCU if DC, the company they decided to hate, hadn't created the Justice League in 1960 and hadn't made Superman: The Movie in 1978. Morons! Revisionist history, Marvel would be fine without any DC stuff. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Jul 4, 2017 19:36:03 GMT
Nah, they said their displeasure and went on their way. Rourke wanted to be the star of the movie, but found out the day of the villain being the main character was over. Norton is another diva that is known to be hard to work with so was replaced. Portman was the one that got Patty Jenkins the job on Thor 2 and didn't like that Jenkins and Marvel couldn't come to an agreement. But then she was the worst part of Thor 2 so... You forgot about Terrence Howard who wanted as much money as the star of the movie and got booted. Momoa actually said Fuck Marvel! You want it in writing?  That's so civil, right? Actually Momoa didn't intend to legitimately attack the company, he just wrote it to please a fan asking for an autograph. Momoa has said on more than one occasion he grew up reading Marvel comics. Not that this will go noticed by some fans who only see fuel for fire for one side or the other. But why? Why do that? He could have written anything on that autograph. He was the one to make something that would be fuel for the fire. He could have drawn a trident or the Aquaman symbol. |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jul 4, 2017 19:39:14 GMT
Actually Momoa didn't intend to legitimately attack the company, he just wrote it to please a fan asking for an autograph. Momoa has said on more than one occasion he grew up reading Marvel comics. Not that this will go noticed by some fans who only see fuel for fire for one side or the other. But why? Why do that? He could have written anything on that autograph. He was the one to make something that would be fuel for the fire. He could have drawn a trident or the Aquaman symbol. I heard that the fan asked him to write something about Marvel. |
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jul 4, 2017 19:41:32 GMT
But why? Why do that? He could have written anything on that autograph. He was the one to make something that would be fuel for the fire. He could have drawn a trident or the Aquaman symbol. I heard that the fan asked him to write something about Marvel. Yeah, I heard exactly that, and they were a "marvel sux!" type of DC fanatic. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Jul 4, 2017 20:01:16 GMT
There was not a single entity back then. Various studios have made their own Marvel movies but there was not a single authoritative voice on all of them. Of course, some may compare Batman Begins with Sam Raimi's and Ang Lee's movies, but the comparison was never Marvel vs. DC; it was Warner Bros vs. Sony (Spider-Man) vs. Fox (X-Men) vs. Universal (Hulk), and most never took them as mutually exclusive. Back then people didn't care what studio had the rights to who, they just saw DC and Marvel logos so they assumed it was DC and Marvel movies and thus counted them in when in debate. The studio vs studio thing is actually for today. And back in those days it was mostly if the movie was good or if the studio knew what they were doing. Sony was the go to studio because of the 1st 2 Spider-man movies. But all the studios lost their goodwill by the 3rd movie in the series. Fox was hanging on a thread of goodwill from the 1st 2 X-men movies (which really only looked better than they were because of the movies that came out around it). Friggin Avi Arad. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Jul 4, 2017 20:04:42 GMT
But why? Why do that? He could have written anything on that autograph. He was the one to make something that would be fuel for the fire. He could have drawn a trident or the Aquaman symbol. I heard that the fan asked him to write something about Marvel. But still... Be the ambassador. If I brought him a poster and told him to write something pro Nazi, should he? That's an extreme example, but you get my point. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Jul 4, 2017 20:39:13 GMT
You do know that these are a series of movies and not tacked on movies. If the movies were anthology then you can say that the connectivity doesn't matter. The X-men movies are connected to the point that the ending should dictate the next movie. DoFP has Magneto saying he will raise an army and that mutants should join him. They even have mutants around the world(?) looking like it's a good idea. Next movie is like none of that happened. They give a recap of the end of the movie, but they didn't say what he did after that. Did he try and start his mutant war, failed and went into hiding? They just brush it under the rug and put him in a random place. Would you watch a movie where it randomly shifts to a different story and places the characters in a place that makes no sense for that character from where he left off with no explanation? That's what the X-men movies do. And here's a question for you: How do you feel about reboots? The X films are still a series of movies yes. The first 3 Xmen are a solid continuation of each other but the most recent trilogy is loosely connected but not as strong because there are decade time leaps (which I dont personally like, but they dont break the films). And the ending to DOFP and beginning of Apocalypse is a pretty clear bridge. Xavier allows Magneto to escape who then realises and accepts that Charles vision of the world is for the best. He goes back to Poland and settles down for a quiet life with a family which is shown in the next movie. So no I dont think the Xmen films randomly ditch storylines and ignore major arcs. The only time during the franchise I felt it was a genuine problem was the question of how Xavier is still alive in DOFP. But that complaint is near the bottom of the list since most people loved DOFP. The recent films arent happening on a yearly cinematic timescale as the MCU or DCEU, so whilst it may be problematic that films are continuing on decades later the main crux of the story remains consistent. Reboots are fine. I wouldn't mind if the Xmen were rebooted now. You mean the same Magneto that won't listen to anybody that didn't see his views on a situation? Magneto would never change his mind on what he wanted so easily. This is the same man that was going to destroy the American and Russian fleets to prove a point. Even turning "good" at the end of Apocalypse he still had the us vs them attitude. And the human... wife? made it even worse. That would have been a better fit in First Class and the reason he went bad. This is the same guy that was going to kill Moira because she's a human woman he believed had shot Charles (can catch missiles and point blank bullets, but...). He would never have slept with not 1, but 2 human women. The prequel movies (at the least) kept rebooting themselves by leaving the character in a place at the end of the movie. Then changing who they were at the beginning of the next movie just to put them in that same place from the end of the previous movie at the end of the current movie. |
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jul 4, 2017 22:24:49 GMT
I heard that the fan asked him to write something about Marvel. But still... Be the ambassador. If I brought him a poster and told him to write something pro Nazi, should he? That's an extreme example, but you get my point. Well you raise a point, even if he did it as a joke or something its still not the professional thing to do. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 5, 2017 15:37:04 GMT
I believe it was Mickey Rourke that said "Fuck Marvel!" after MCU screwed up his part in Iron Man 2. Or was it Edward Norton wh said "Fuck Marvel!" after MCU screwed up his part in The Incredible Hulk? Or was it Natalie Portman who said "Fuck Marvel!" after they screwed up her part in Thor: The Dark World? Nah, they said their displeasure and went on their way. Rourke wanted to be the star of the movie, but found out the day of the villain being the main character was over. Norton is another diva that is known to be hard to work with so was replaced. Portman was the one that got Patty Jenkins the job on Thor 2 and didn't like that Jenkins and Marvel couldn't come to an agreement. But then she was the worst part of Thor 2 so... You forgot about Terrence Howard who wanted as much money as the star of the movie and got booted. Momoa actually said Fuck Marvel! You want it in writing That's so civil, right? Not only have multiple actors (Mickey Rourke, Edward Norton, Natalie Portman, and Terence Howard) been screwed over by MCU but also multiple directors (Patty Jenkins, Edgar Wright) have been screwed over by MCU. If Mamoa said "Fuck Marvel!", then Mamoa was right to say it because he's standing up for his colleagues in the industry who have been screwed over by MCU time and time again.
It's not MCU vs DCEU. It's really MCU vs the actors' union (i.e. The Screen Actors' Guild).
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Post by formersamhmd on Jul 5, 2017 15:51:24 GMT
Nah, they said their displeasure and went on their way. Rourke wanted to be the star of the movie, but found out the day of the villain being the main character was over. Norton is another diva that is known to be hard to work with so was replaced. Portman was the one that got Patty Jenkins the job on Thor 2 and didn't like that Jenkins and Marvel couldn't come to an agreement. But then she was the worst part of Thor 2 so... You forgot about Terrence Howard who wanted as much money as the star of the movie and got booted. Momoa actually said Fuck Marvel! You want it in writing That's so civil, right? Not only have multiple actors (Mickey Rourke, Edward Norton, Natalie Portman, and Terence Howard) been screwed over by MCU but also multiple directors (Patty Jenkins, Edgar Wright) have been screwed over by MCU. If Mamoa said "Fuck Marvel!", then Mamoa was right to say it because he's standing up for his colleagues in the industry who have been screwed over by MCU time and time again. Rourke wanted the movie to be all about him, mistakenly thinking that MCU is a villains first franchise. Norton is a Diva, Portman never cared about the movies to begin with and Howard was greedy. Edgar Wright wasted his time sitting around doing nothing for years and wouldn't play ball, and Jenkins' ideas were pretty stupid in the first place. Momoa is just being a child. |
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Jul 5, 2017 17:47:03 GMT
Nah, they said their displeasure and went on their way. Rourke wanted to be the star of the movie, but found out the day of the villain being the main character was over. Norton is another diva that is known to be hard to work with so was replaced. Portman was the one that got Patty Jenkins the job on Thor 2 and didn't like that Jenkins and Marvel couldn't come to an agreement. But then she was the worst part of Thor 2 so... You forgot about Terrence Howard who wanted as much money as the star of the movie and got booted. Momoa actually said Fuck Marvel! You want it in writing That's so civil, right? Not only have multiple actors (Mickey Rourke, Edward Norton, Natalie Portman, and Terence Howard) been screwed over by MCU but also multiple directors (Patty Jenkins, Edgar Wright) have been screwed over by MCU. If Mamoa said "Fuck Marvel!", then Mamoa was right to say it because he's standing up for his colleagues in the industry who have been screwed over by MCU time and time again. We live in an imperfect world. Not every actor or director is easy to work with. The MCU isn't the only franchise in the world with problems like that, so don't act like it is |
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Post by ThatGuy on Jul 5, 2017 21:39:08 GMT
Nah, they said their displeasure and went on their way. Rourke wanted to be the star of the movie, but found out the day of the villain being the main character was over. Norton is another diva that is known to be hard to work with so was replaced. Portman was the one that got Patty Jenkins the job on Thor 2 and didn't like that Jenkins and Marvel couldn't come to an agreement. But then she was the worst part of Thor 2 so... You forgot about Terrence Howard who wanted as much money as the star of the movie and got booted. Momoa actually said Fuck Marvel! You want it in writing That's so civil, right? Not only have multiple actors (Mickey Rourke, Edward Norton, Natalie Portman, and Terence Howard) been screwed over by MCU but also multiple directors (Patty Jenkins, Edgar Wright) have been screwed over by MCU. If Mamoa said "Fuck Marvel!", then Mamoa was right to say it because he's standing up for his colleagues in the industry who have been screwed over by MCU time and time again.
It's not MCU vs DCEU. It's really MCU vs the actors' union (i.e. The Screen Actors' Guild).
Have he screwed them over? Edgar Wright thought he was bigger than he was. He wanted to make a movie that didn't gel with the MCU as a whole. Probably the same with Jenkins. When Wright didn't get his way he sat on his hands with Ant-man and went to make another movie for a friend. Feige and crew waited as long as they could and moved on. They had to change the entire course of the MCU because of him. People cry that Stark was the one to create Ultron. Guess who's fault that is. Edgar friggin Wright. Jenkins didn't get her way and did the right thing. She walked away. She badmouthed no one and, if she wanted, could try to make another MCU movie. Those divas, Rourke and Norton, could suck it and they found a better Banner. Howard moved on to do Empire. Good for him. But at the same time, I didn't like him for Rhodie (Don friggin Cheadle, son!). He has this nervous sound to his voice that doesn't work for the character. And he screwed himself. He wasn't the star, but wanted to be and wanted the star money. Same for Rourke. He made The Wrestler and was the face of Sin City and thought he was bigger than he was. Where is he now?* Also, what do they care about Whiplash? The story around the character was more important than the character himself. He was only there to get Stark to look into his father in a "Sins of the Father" type of story. He died so... nobody cared if he wasn't coming back because he wasn't coming back. And Portman... Nobody liked Foster. Everyone was happy she's not returning. What does SAG have to do with this? Actors act. Rourke wanted to make Whiplash bigger than he was. He basically wanted to make Whiplash into Magneto. Again, that's not the character's purpose. Same with Norton wanting more for Banner. That would be a writer thing. Actors act out there part and maybe make suggestions. *I just looked up Rourke. After Iron Man 2... Nothing. Bombed in The Immortals. Sin City 2 failed. Bit part in The Expendables as the aptly named Tool. Everything else was "straight-to-DVD". I wish people would stop using his name against the MCU like he was something big that they lost. |
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Post by Atom(ica) Discord on Jul 5, 2017 21:43:50 GMT
Not only have multiple actors (Mickey Rourke, Edward Norton, Natalie Portman, and Terence Howard) been screwed over by MCU but also multiple directors (Patty Jenkins, Edgar Wright) have been screwed over by MCU. If Mamoa said "Fuck Marvel!", then Mamoa was right to say it because he's standing up for his colleagues in the industry who have been screwed over by MCU time and time again.
It's not MCU vs DCEU. It's really MCU vs the actors' union (i.e. The Screen Actors' Guild).
Have he screwed them over? Edgar Wright thought he was bigger than he was. He wanted to make a movie that didn't gel with the MCU as a whole. Probably the same with Jenkins. When Wright didn't get his way he sat on his hands with Ant-man and went to make another movie for a friend. Feige and crew waited as long as they could and moved on. They had to change the entire course of the MCU because of him. People cry that Stark was the one to create Ultron. Guess who's fault that is. Edgar friggin Wright. Jenkins didn't get her way and did they right thing. She walked away. She bad mouthed no one and, if she wanted, could try to make another MCU movie. Those divas, Rourke and Norton, could suck it and they found a better Banner. Howard moved on to do Empire. Good for him. But at the same time, I didn't like him for Rhodie (Don friggin Cheadle, son!). He has this nervous sound to his voice that doesn't work for the character. And he screwed himself. He wasn't the star, but wanted to be and wanted the star money. Same for Rourke. He made The Wrestler and was the face of Sin City and thought he was bigger than he was. Where is he now?* Also, what do they care about Whiplash? The story around the character was more important than the character himself. He was only there to get Stark to look into his father in a "Sins of the Father" type of story. He died so... nobody cared if he wasn't coming back because he wasn't coming back. And Portman... Nobody liked Foster. Everyone was happy she's not returning. What does SAG have to do with this? Actors act. Rourke wanted to make Whiplash bigger than he was. He basically wanted to make Whiplash into Magneto. Again, that's not the character's purpose. Same with Norton wanting more for Banner. That would be a writer thing. Actors act out there part and maybe make suggestions. *I just looked up Rourke. After Iron Man 2... Nothing. Bombed in The Immortals. Sin City 2 failed. Bit part in The Expendables as the aptly named Tool. Everything else was "straight-to-DVD". I wish people would stop using his name against the MCU like he was something big that they lost. Damn. DC-Fan owned and operated by some guy named ThatGuy. SaveSave |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2017 0:01:24 GMT
Not only have multiple actors (Mickey Rourke, Edward Norton, Natalie Portman, and Terence Howard) been screwed over by MCU but also multiple directors (Patty Jenkins, Edgar Wright) have been screwed over by MCU. If Mamoa said "Fuck Marvel!", then Mamoa was right to say it because he's standing up for his colleagues in the industry who have been screwed over by MCU time and time again.
It's not MCU vs DCEU. It's really MCU vs the actors' union (i.e. The Screen Actors' Guild).
Have he screwed them over? Edgar Wright thought he was bigger than he was. He wanted to make a movie that didn't gel with the MCU as a whole. Probably the same with Jenkins. When Wright didn't get his way he sat on his hands with Ant-man and went to make another movie for a friend. Feige and crew waited as long as they could and moved on. They had to change the entire course of the MCU because of him. People cry that Stark was the one to create Ultron. Guess who's fault that is. Edgar friggin Wright. Jenkins didn't get her way and did the right thing. She walked away. She badmouthed no one and, if she wanted, could try to make another MCU movie. Those divas, Rourke and Norton, could suck it and they found a better Banner. Howard moved on to do Empire. Good for him. But at the same time, I didn't like him for Rhodie (Don friggin Cheadle, son!). He has this nervous sound to his voice that doesn't work for the character. And he screwed himself. He wasn't the star, but wanted to be and wanted the star money. Same for Rourke. He made The Wrestler and was the face of Sin City and thought he was bigger than he was. Where is he now?* Also, what do they care about Whiplash? The story around the character was more important than the character himself. He was only there to get Stark to look into his father in a "Sins of the Father" type of story. He died so... nobody cared if he wasn't coming back because he wasn't coming back. And Portman... Nobody liked Foster. Everyone was happy she's not returning. What does SAG have to do with this? Actors act. Rourke wanted to make Whiplash bigger than he was. He basically wanted to make Whiplash into Magneto. Again, that's not the character's purpose. Same with Norton wanting more for Banner. That would be a writer thing. Actors act out there part and maybe make suggestions. *I just looked up Rourke. After Iron Man 2... Nothing. Bombed in The Immortals. Sin City 2 failed. Bit part in The Expendables as the aptly named Tool. Everything else was "straight-to-DVD". I wish people would stop using his name against the MCU like he was something big that they lost.  Damn man, that was beautiful. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 6, 2017 3:28:19 GMT
Not only have multiple actors (Mickey Rourke, Edward Norton, Natalie Portman, and Terence Howard) been screwed over by MCU but also multiple directors (Patty Jenkins, Edgar Wright) have been screwed over by MCU. If Mamoa said "Fuck Marvel!", then Mamoa was right to say it because he's standing up for his colleagues in the industry who have been screwed over by MCU time and time again. It's not MCU vs DCEU. It's really MCU vs the actors' union (i.e. The Screen Actors' Guild). We live in an imperfect world. Not every actor or director is easy to work with. But this isn't a case of 1 actor or 1 director. When multiple actors and multiple directors have had similar quarrels with MCU, maybe the problem isn't the actors or directors. Maybe the problem is MCU, which is the common denominator in all these cases.
Look at Terence Howard for example. An biased MCU fan claimed that Terence Howard was greedy. For asking for a raise. This is a business. Of course, employees are going to want to get paid as much as they can for their work. It's not like MCU, which has made billions, couldn't afford to give Howard the raise that he was asking for. We could say that MCU was the one that was greedy because they refused to give Howard the raise that he was asking for because they wanted to keep more profits to themselves.
Like I said, if Mamoa said "Fuck Marvel!", then he's right to say that because he's standing up for and supporting his fellow colleagues who have been screwed over by MCU time and time again.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Jul 6, 2017 4:06:08 GMT
We live in an imperfect world. Not every actor or director is easy to work with. But this isn't a case of 1 actor or 1 director. When multiple actors and multiple directors have had similar quarrels with MCU, maybe the problem isn't the actors or directors. Maybe the problem is MCU, which is the common denominator in all these cases.
Look at Terence Howard for example. An biased MCU fan claimed that Terence Howard was greedy. For asking for a raise. This is a business. Of course, employees are going to want to get paid as much as they can for their work. It's not like MCU, which has made billions, couldn't afford to give Howard the raise that he was asking for. We could say that MCU was the one that was greedy because they refused to give Howard the raise that he was asking for because they wanted to keep more profits to themselves.
Like I said, if Mamoa said "Fuck Marvel!", then he's right to say that because he's standing up for and supporting his fellow colleagues who have been screwed over by MCU time and time again.
No, this is just your way to continue to try and discredit the MCU. And these disputes are between different actors and directors, never the same. Yet, they still haven't brought down the MCU in anyway. Still successful, especially with Spider-Man. And maybe you should read into the whole "Fuck Marvel" thing before trying to exploit it. It was nothing but a joke. A fan just asked if he could sign "Fuck Marvel" on a poster. But it didn't mean he was attacking Marvel. He even admitted he's a fan of Spider-Man and Chris Hemsworth and admires RDJ. |
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Post by Atom(ica) Discord on Jul 6, 2017 13:27:47 GMT
We live in an imperfect world. Not every actor or director is easy to work with. Maybe the problem is MCU, which is the common denominator in all these cases.
In order to prepare an omelet, you have to break a few eggs.
It's not like MCU, which has made billions, couldn't afford to give Howard the raise that he was asking for.
They did not have "billions" of dollars at that particular point in the franchise's history.
Like I said, if Mamoa said "Fuck Marvel!", then he's right to say that because he's standing up for and supporting his fellow colleagues who have been screwed over by MCU time and time again.
Saying "Fuck Marvel" is not the most professional or articulate way to address the situation if indeed Mamoa was standing tall for his brethren. With that phrase, all he did was discredit his fledgling movement. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 7, 2017 3:48:38 GMT
He even admitted he's a fan of Spider-Man and Chris Hemsworth and admires RDJ. Mamoa doesn't hate Chris Hemsworth or RDJ. They're his fellow colleagues and they weren't the ones who screwed over Mickey Rourke, Edward Norton, Natalie Portman, and Terence Howard. It was MCU that screwed them over. |
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