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Post by blockbusted on Oct 23, 2017 15:44:03 GMT
On the TV show Person of Interest, each episode began with a narrative by Finch about the machine he built that detected threats to ordinary people whom " the government considered irrelevant. They wouldn't act so I decided I would". In BvS, we saw Superman saving a little girl from a fire and the Flash stopping a grocery store robbery. In the JL trailers, we saw Wonder Woman come to the rescue when armed robbers take hostages. But we've never seen the Avengers save ordinary people from a fire or stop a grocery store robbery or take down some hostage-takers. In fact, in SMH Tony Stark even points out to Peter Parker that helping the irrelevant people is below the Avengers' pay grade. So the Avengers won't help anyone who can't afford to pay? If you're not in the highest tax bracket, the Avengers won't help you? They seemed to save a lot of "irrelevant" people in the last acts of both Avengers films. Also you still seem to not understand what the phrase means even if he did say it. And don't rephrase things to suit your argument. Tony Stark never said helping "irrelevant" people was below the Avengers pay grade. You also seemed to forget to mention all the "irrelevant" people killed in Superman's fight with Zod....but that's ok, he saved a little girl in the next film. You know... I would've accepted the argument that Superman was too occupied at destroying World Engines if he didn't start to make out with Lois Lane afterwards. |
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Post by dazz on Oct 23, 2017 17:35:57 GMT
On the TV show Person of Interest, each episode began with a narrative by Finch about the machine he built that detected threats to ordinary people whom " the government considered irrelevant. They wouldn't act so I decided I would". Also you misinterpret the "relevant" and "irrelevant" list's in POI, the relevant list isn't about people but about the predictive outcome of those threats, so a blackmail plot to manipulate a city councillor to push through a innocuous bill that will immediately looks irrelevant to national security but paves the way for a 5 year plan that would culminate in mass exposure of NYC's elementary school kids to toxic materials is relevant, even if said plot only starts with blackmailing the councillors girlfriend into encouraging their other half to vote yes on a close vote, but the premeditated murder of a supreme court judge by their spouse and their lover is irrelevant so long as the potential replacement wouldn't be a threat to national security.
This is why in the show HR is considered an irrelevant threat because the corruption and influence is massive in the local scale but has almost no impact on anything outside of New York, even though their influence can hurt or harm massive amounts of million/billionaires, hell saving billionaires lives from petty corporate greed from their partners is considered irrelevant as was shown in the show.
Also the whole point of Ultron was Tony trying to protect everyone all the time.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Oct 23, 2017 17:57:34 GMT
If you're not in the highest tax bracket, the Avengers won't help you? How much money do you think "Heather" makes? Hee hee hee... |
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 23, 2017 19:09:06 GMT
On the TV show Person of Interest, each episode began with a narrative by Finch about the machine he built that detected threats to ordinary people whom " the government considered irrelevant. They wouldn't act so I decided I would". In BvS, we saw Superman saving a little girl from a fire and the Flash stopping a grocery store robbery. In the JL trailers, we saw Wonder Woman come to the rescue when armed robbers take hostages. But we've never seen the Avengers save ordinary people from a fire or stop a grocery store robbery or take down some hostage-takers. In fact, in SMH Tony Stark even points out to Peter Parker that helping the irrelevant people is below the Avengers' pay grade. So the Avengers won't help anyone who can't afford to pay? If you're not in the highest tax bracket, the Avengers won't help you? They seemed to save a lot of "irrelevant" people in the last acts of both Avengers films. You're crediting the Avengers for saving people from Ultron, who was created by the Avengers? That's like calling an arsonist who set a building on fire a hero because the arsonist ran into the building to save a child from the fire that he started! LOL!!!
The child wouldn't have needed saving if the arsonist hadn't started the fire in the 1st place. And likewise, those people in Age of Ultron wouldn't have needed saving if the Avengers hadn't created Ultron in the 1st place.
It would be like if at the end of Return of the Jedi, the Rebellion decided to build a statue of Darth Vader because Vader killed the Emperor by throwing the Emperor down a reactor shaft. Sure, Vader killed the Emperor, after he spent the last quarter-century helping the Emperor conquer and terrorize the galaxy and kill billions of people. And sure, the Avengers saved those people at the end of Age of Ultron, after the Avengers put those people's lives in danger by creating Ultron.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Oct 23, 2017 19:12:34 GMT
They seemed to save a lot of "irrelevant" people in the last acts of both Avengers films. You're crediting the Avengers for saving people from Ultron, who was created by the Avengers? That's like calling an arsonist who set a building on fire a hero because the arsonist ran into the building to save a child from the fire that he started! LOL!!!
The child wouldn't have needed saving if the arsonist hadn't started the fire in the 1st place. And likewise, those people in Age of Ultron wouldn't have needed saving if the Avengers hadn't created Ultron in the 1st place.
It would be like if at the end of Return of the Jedi, the Rebellion decided to build a statue of Darth Vader because Vader killed the Emperor by throwing the Emperor down a reactor shaft. Sure, Vader killed the Emperor, after he spent the last quarter-century helping the Emperor conquer and terrorize the galaxy and kill billions of people. And sure, the Avengers saved those people at the end of Age of Ultron, after the Avengers put those people's lives in danger by creating Ultron.
Technically Tony is responsible for Ultron. Even My boy Steve Rogers flips out on Tony because of Ultron. But in the end they had to put aside their differences to stop Ultron. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 23, 2017 19:18:58 GMT
They seemed to save a lot of "irrelevant" people in the last acts of both Avengers films. Also you still seem to not understand what the phrase means even if he did say it. And don't rephrase things to suit your argument. Tony Stark never said helping "irrelevant" people was below the Avengers pay grade. You also seemed to forget to mention all the "irrelevant" people killed in Superman's fight with Zod....but that's ok, he saved a little girl in the next film. You know... I would've accepted the argument that Superman was too occupied at destroying World Engines if he didn't start to make out with Lois Lane afterwards. You must hate all the soldiers who came back alive from World War I or World War II and the 1st thing they did was hug or kiss their loved ones.
Superman and Lois had just survived what could've been the end of the world. The natural reaction for anyone surviving such an event is to hug and/or kiss someone they love. There'll be a time to properly mourn those who were killed later on, but for now, the immediate and natural reaction for anyone surviving such an event is to take a moment to take a breath and be glad that you're still alive and to hug and/or kiss someone you love.
There was nothing wrong with Superman and Lois kissing after surviving what could've been the end of the world since that's the natural reaction for anyone surviving such an event. But Steve Rogers waking up after 70 years and instead of asking "Did we win the war?
or "Who won the war" and instead of being glad and relieved that the war is over, Rogers doesn't care at all about who won the war and is only disappointed that he didn't get to go on a date with Peggy Carter. That's much worst than 2 people sharing a kiss after surviving what could've been the end of the world.
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Post by scabab on Oct 23, 2017 19:27:22 GMT
They seemed to save a lot of "irrelevant" people in the last acts of both Avengers films. You're crediting the Avengers for saving people from Ultron, who was created by the Avengers? That's like calling an arsonist who set a building on fire a hero because the arsonist ran into the building to save a child from the fire that he started! LOL!!!
The child wouldn't have needed saving if the arsonist hadn't started the fire in the 1st place. And likewise, those people in Age of Ultron wouldn't have needed saving if the Avengers hadn't created Ultron in the 1st place.
It would be like if at the end of Return of the Jedi, the Rebellion decided to build a statue of Darth Vader because Vader killed the Emperor by throwing the Emperor down a reactor shaft. Sure, Vader killed the Emperor, after he spent the last quarter-century helping the Emperor conquer and terrorize the galaxy and kill billions of people. And sure, the Avengers saved those people at the end of Age of Ultron, after the Avengers put those people's lives in danger by creating Ultron.
Well that was the entire point of Ultron. That's how it went in the comics, Ultron was created by a superhero there as well except it was Ant-man instead of Iron Man. Ultron went on to kill people and The Avengers have stopped him. It's happened many times over the decades. That was the story behind the character which the movie was basing itself on. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 23, 2017 20:50:53 GMT
You know... I would've accepted the argument that Superman was too occupied at destroying World Engines if he didn't start to make out with Lois Lane afterwards. You must hate all the soldiers who came back alive from World War I or World War II and the 1st thing they did was hug or kiss their loved ones. Depends, did they do that in the middle of a city they destroyed while people were crying out for help? |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Oct 23, 2017 21:44:29 GMT
You know... I would've accepted the argument that Superman was too occupied at destroying World Engines if he didn't start to make out with Lois Lane afterwards. You must hate all the soldiers who came back alive from World War I or World War II and the 1st thing they did was hug or kiss their loved ones.
Superman and Lois had just survived what could've been the end of the world. The natural reaction for anyone surviving such an event is to hug and/or kiss someone they love. There'll be a time to properly mourn those who were killed later on, but for now, the immediate and natural reaction for anyone surviving such an event is to take a moment to take a breath and be glad that you're still alive and to hug and/or kiss someone you love.
There was nothing wrong with Superman and Lois kissing after surviving what could've been the end of the world since that's the natural reaction for anyone surviving such an event. But Steve Rogers waking up after 70 years and instead of asking "Did we win the war?
or "Who won the war" and instead of being glad and relieved that the war is over, Rogers doesn't care at all about who won the war and is only disappointed that he didn't get to go on a date with Peggy Carter. That's much worst than 2 people sharing a kiss after surviving what could've been the end of the world.
This would make sense if the kiss hadn't happened on the battlefield amongst the tattered ruins of the city and thousands of vaporized bodies reduced to ash. The brave men and women coming home from WW I and II had to wait until hey were actually home to relax their inhibitions and celebrate the end of a long and costly war. Hee hee hee... |
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Post by merh on Oct 24, 2017 4:42:38 GMT
You don't use a nuke to clear weeds.
Appropriate levels of force, dearie.
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Post by dazz on Oct 24, 2017 4:54:51 GMT
You must hate all the soldiers who came back alive from World War I or World War II and the 1st thing they did was hug or kiss their loved ones.
Superman and Lois had just survived what could've been the end of the world. The natural reaction for anyone surviving such an event is to hug and/or kiss someone they love. There'll be a time to properly mourn those who were killed later on, but for now, the immediate and natural reaction for anyone surviving such an event is to take a moment to take a breath and be glad that you're still alive and to hug and/or kiss someone you love.
There was nothing wrong with Superman and Lois kissing after surviving what could've been the end of the world since that's the natural reaction for anyone surviving such an event. But Steve Rogers waking up after 70 years and instead of asking "Did we win the war?
or "Who won the war" and instead of being glad and relieved that the war is over, Rogers doesn't care at all about who won the war and is only disappointed that he didn't get to go on a date with Peggy Carter. That's much worst than 2 people sharing a kiss after surviving what could've been the end of the world.
This would make sense if the kiss hadn't happened on the battlefield amongst the tattered ruins of the city and thousands of vaporized bodies reduced to ash. The brave men and women coming home from WW I and II had to wait until hey were actually home to relax their inhibitions and celebrate the end of a long and costly war. Hee hee hee... Also those that the soldiers embrace tend to be people they know and love, Lois is someone Clark barely knows at that point, sure he's into her and vice versa but that's like their first kiss, not exactly a romantic moment or setting to indulge in their sexual attraction to one another because they don't have any emotional connection to justify it the other way around, people may let it go because Lois & Clark are the most iconic superhero comic book couple but going off of the narrative in MOS they are practically strangers. |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Oct 24, 2017 5:18:26 GMT
This would make sense if the kiss hadn't happened on the battlefield amongst the tattered ruins of the city and thousands of vaporized bodies reduced to ash. The brave men and women coming home from WW I and II had to wait until hey were actually home to relax their inhibitions and celebrate the end of a long and costly war. Hee hee hee... Also those that the soldiers embrace tend to be people they know and love, Lois is someone Clark barely knows at that point, sure he's into her and vice versa but that's like their first kiss, not exactly a romantic moment or setting to indulge in their sexual attraction to one another because they don't have any emotional connection to justify it the other way around, people may let it go because Lois & Clark are the most iconic superhero comic book couple but going off of the narrative in MOS they are practically strangers. And it just happened. The total destruction of the city just happened like one second before... He Brodied that girl like she was Halle Berry and he'd just won the academy award. Hee hee hee... |
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 24, 2017 6:23:32 GMT
This would make sense if the kiss hadn't happened on the battlefield amongst the tattered ruins of the city and thousands of vaporized bodies reduced to ash. The brave men and women coming home from WW I and II had to wait until hey were actually home to relax their inhibitions and celebrate the end of a long and costly war. Hee hee hee... Also those that the soldiers embrace tend to be people they know and love, Lois is someone Clark barely knows at that point, sure he's into her and vice versa but that's like their first kiss, not exactly a romantic moment or setting to indulge in their sexual attraction to one another because they don't have any emotional connection to justify it the other way around, people may let it go because Lois & Clark are the most iconic superhero comic book couple but going off of the narrative in MOS they are practically strangers. You obviously didn't watch MoS because Lois and Clark definitely had an emotional connection by the end of the movie. Aside from his mother, Lois was the only other human who knew Superman as Clark. Lois could've betrayed him when the military were looking for him but she didn't. The fact that Lois had so much faith and trust in him made their bond stronger so they definitely had a strong emotional connection by the end of the movie. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 24, 2017 6:31:13 GMT
Also those that the soldiers embrace tend to be people they know and love, Lois is someone Clark barely knows at that point, sure he's into her and vice versa but that's like their first kiss, not exactly a romantic moment or setting to indulge in their sexual attraction to one another because they don't have any emotional connection to justify it the other way around, people may let it go because Lois & Clark are the most iconic superhero comic book couple but going off of the narrative in MOS they are practically strangers. And it just happened. The total destruction of the city just happened like one second before Kind of like how Han and Leia kissed on Endor right after they saw the Death Star blow up in the sky. Like I said before, it's a natural reaction to celebrate the end of a war immediately by hugging and kissing someone you love. So there was nothing wrong with Superman and Lois kissing after surviving what could've been the end of the world since that's the natural reaction for anyone surviving such an event.
But Steve Rogers waking up after 70 years and instead of asking "Did we win the war? or "Who won the war" and instead of being glad and relieved that the war is over, Rogers doesn't care at all about who won the war and is only disappointed that he didn't get to go on a date with Peggy Carter. That's much worst than 2 people sharing a kiss after surviving what could've been the end of the world.
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Post by dazz on Oct 24, 2017 7:20:42 GMT
Also those that the soldiers embrace tend to be people they know and love, Lois is someone Clark barely knows at that point, sure he's into her and vice versa but that's like their first kiss, not exactly a romantic moment or setting to indulge in their sexual attraction to one another because they don't have any emotional connection to justify it the other way around, people may let it go because Lois & Clark are the most iconic superhero comic book couple but going off of the narrative in MOS they are practically strangers. You obviously didn't watch MoS because Lois and Clark definitely had an emotional connection by the end of the movie. Aside from his mother, Lois was the only other human who knew Superman as Clark. Lois could've betrayed him when the military were looking for him but she didn't. The fact that Lois had so much faith and trust in him made their bond stronger so they definitely had a strong emotional connection by the end of the movie. I'm just arguing your point that "it's like soldiers returning from war" which it isn't, imo them kissing at that point would work if Lois kisses him more passionately but briefly, then she comes to her senses of her surroundings, because that's her reacting on emotion and adrenaline then realising where she is, it's not really a time for romance which that scene shouldn't be seeing as Clark had just committed genocide, also they are in the middle of a practical wasteland, but they play it likes it's some big emotional moment just to fake you out for Zod to return.
Yes they have an emotional bond but sorry I forget how you don't interpret things properly unless spell out for you, they didn't have quite the strong enough emotional connection to justify that kissing scene as they played it out, that scene rests on people knowing the characters being soul mates basically to give people the emotional justification to that scene, but in the narrative of the movie it is not earned yet, there is a bond between them, an obvious attraction and spark of something more but that at the very least was not the kiss or moment those two should have had at that point.
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Post by dazz on Oct 24, 2017 7:33:28 GMT
And it just happened. The total destruction of the city just happened like one second before Kind of like how Han and Leia kissed on Endor right after they saw the Death Star blow up in the sky. Like I said before, it's a natural reaction to celebrate the end of a war immediately by hugging and kissing someone you love. So there was nothing wrong with Superman and Lois kissing after surviving what could've been the end of the world since that's the natural reaction for anyone surviving such an event.
But Steve Rogers waking up after 70 years and instead of asking "Did we win the war? or "Who won the war" and instead of being glad and relieved that the war is over, Rogers doesn't care at all about who won the war and is only disappointed that he didn't get to go on a date with Peggy Carter. That's much worst than 2 people sharing a kiss after surviving what could've been the end of the world.
Except in those situations it tends to be passionate and not kind of awkward, also your Cap bitch is so dumb, that's not his first thought when he wakes up his first thought is "where the fuck am I", followed by "who the fuck are you" which very quickly changes to "fuck this shit", as for his response to being asleep for 70 years I guess you miss the part that he was fighting Nazi's you know the Aryans a typically racist and white supremacist leaning group of fuck knuckles, and he is being told that he was asleep for 70 years by the man in charge who just happens to be a black man, safe to assume Cap put 2 and 2 together to figure out the Nazi's lost, also seeing how Cap prior to napping had lost his family and his best friend, the person he felt emotionally closest to was Peggy, who he just learned is now in either in her 90's or dead, so to show his sorrow that he's missed most if not all that remained of the one person he truly cared abort's life he remarks how he had a date, it's not actually about missing the date you see but missing out on being a part of her life and apart of his own time. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 24, 2017 11:39:47 GMT
Also those that the soldiers embrace tend to be people they know and love, Lois is someone Clark barely knows at that point, sure he's into her and vice versa but that's like their first kiss, not exactly a romantic moment or setting to indulge in their sexual attraction to one another because they don't have any emotional connection to justify it the other way around, people may let it go because Lois & Clark are the most iconic superhero comic book couple but going off of the narrative in MOS they are practically strangers. You obviously didn't watch MoS because Lois and Clark definitely had an emotional connection by the end of the movie. Aside from his mother, Lois was the only other human who knew Superman as Clark. Lois could've betrayed him when the military were looking for him but she didn't. The fact that Lois had so much faith and trust in him made their bond stronger so they definitely had a strong emotional connection by the end of the movie. Which doesn't change that they barely know each other as people. Lois just randomly has faith in some guy she doesn't know. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 24, 2017 11:40:25 GMT
Kind of like how Han and Leia kissed on Endor right after they saw the Death Star blow up in the sky. Nope. |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Oct 24, 2017 14:28:28 GMT
And it just happened. The total destruction of the city just happened like one second before Kind of like how Han and Leia kissed on Endor right after they saw the Death Star blow up in the sky. Like I said before, it's a natural reaction to celebrate the end of a war immediately by hugging and kissing someone you love. So there was nothing wrong with Superman and Lois kissing after surviving what could've been the end of the world since that's the natural reaction for anyone surviving such an event.
But Steve Rogers waking up after 70 years and instead of asking "Did we win the war? or "Who won the war" and instead of being glad and relieved that the war is over, Rogers doesn't care at all about who won the war and is only disappointed that he didn't get to go on a date with Peggy Carter. That's much worst than 2 people sharing a kiss after surviving what could've been the end of the world.
Oh shut up and kiss me you fool!  Hee hee hee... |
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Post by ThatGuy on Oct 24, 2017 16:32:26 GMT
Spider-Man stopped a bicycle thief in Homecoming. Spider-Man isn't an Avenger. Stop acting like the Avengers are bunch of dicks who don't care about small crimes and won't help people. I'm just going by what Tony Stark said in SMH. Stark said that helping the irrelevant people was below the Avengers' pay grade. So that means the Avengers won't help the irrelevant people in the lower tax brackets who can't afford to pay for the Avengers' services. So you saying that the US Army goes out and stop everyday crime? That the FBI are taking on singular car-jackings? Tony is talking about the pay grade of the Avengers themselves not how much the everyday person makes. When a person says "That is above my pay grade," they mean that isn't their job. It is for someone in a higher position. Tony told Peter that the bank robbers was below the Avengers' pay grade because they go after the bigger guns. And he gave the information to the FBI. This was in the movie. The heroes in the DCEU are more vigilantes and work either alone or with each other. The MCU heroes, for the most part, work with the authorities and the government. They let the world work on its own until something comes along that needs a superhero. When they start acting like the DC heroes they get in trouble for doing so. |
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