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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 24, 2017 22:01:37 GMT
"All cats have four legs My dog has four legs Therefore, my dog is a cat." Wow, you've just proven that MCU fans are kiddies because only kiddies would use such flawed logic. So now you're disregarding the Politician's syllogism, how low can you go? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politician's_syllogism I'm pointing out how you can't blame all the Avengers for something Stark and Banner did without their knowledge. |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Oct 24, 2017 22:03:44 GMT
"All cats have four legs My dog has four legs Therefore, my dog is a cat." Wow, you've just proven that MCU fans are kiddies because only kiddies would use such flawed logic. It's not rocket science. I'll try to explain t to you clearly using simple, basic set theory.
Draw a large circle. That large circle represents all living creatures that have 4 legs - dogs, cats, lions and tigers and bears, etc. Now inside that large circle, draw 2 smaller non-intersecting circles. 1 of those circles represents cats and the other circle represents dogs.
Now if you've drawn it correctly (and I tried to make the instructions as simple as possible for you since you're slow at getting things), the 2 smaller circles don't intersect at all. So the set of cats and the set of dogs do not share any common items. Therefore cats and dogs are 2 distinct sets.
Do you understand that now? Or do you need me to explain it to you again?
I would like you to explain it again but, this time please incorporate ligers into the example and use more words. Hee hee hee... |
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 24, 2017 22:13:36 GMT
Tony pays the expenses for the Avengers to live So Stark pays all their expenses so that they can all live in a mansion and don't have to work like regular people do and like Clark Kent and Diana Prince and Barry Allen do. he uses his own personal fortune to fund the group so that they can always be ready to step up in times of need And yet when irrelevant people are in need of help, it's below the Avengers pay grade to step up and help those irrelevant people who can't afford to pay for the Avengers' services. the Avengers don't hide their identities and are super famous they cant exactly have regular jobs to pay the bills So you're saying that famous people can't have jobs? Alex Trebek is famous, but he has a job. Gordon Ramsay is famous, but he has a job as a chef and restaurant owner. Tony foots the bill because he wants to make the world better Stark wants to make the world better so he builds a robot that kills humans? So is Stark's idea of making the world better is to kill off enough humans that there won't be a food shortage and that would solve the problem of world hunger? |
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 24, 2017 22:20:26 GMT
Tony pays the expenses for the Avengers to live So Stark pays all their expenses so that they can all live in a mansion and don't have to work like regular people do and like Clark Kent and Diana Prince and Barry Allen do. Clark, Diana and Barry don't need to work either. Their powers and status ensure that. Thanks to the UN restricting them. Not when they're also full-time Superheroes. Alien interference messed things up. |
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Post by dazz on Oct 24, 2017 22:32:48 GMT
Tony pays the expenses for the Avengers to live So Stark pays all their expenses so that they can all live in a mansion and don't have to work like regular people do and like Clark Kent and Diana Prince and Barry Allen do. he uses his own personal fortune to fund the group so that they can always be ready to step up in times of need And yet when irrelevant people are in need of help, it's below the Avengers pay grade to step up and help those irrelevant people who can't afford to pay for the Avengers' services. the Avengers don't hide their identities and are super famous they cant exactly have regular jobs to pay the bills So you're saying that famous people can't have jobs? Alex Trebek is famous, but he has a job. Gordon Ramsay is famous, but he has a job as a chef and restaurant owner. Tony foots the bill because he wants to make the world better Stark wants to make the world better so he builds a robot that kills humans? So is Stark's idea of making the world better is to kill off enough humans that there won't be a food shortage and that would solve the problem of world hunger? ....Is this your actual honest attempt at making a point or are you ttrolling? I cant tell where the insanity ends and bullshit begins, but to sum it up, Avengers spend a lot of time and resources training so that they can stop high risk threats, this includes potential terrorist plots, alien invasions, and yes even rogue robot attacks, this leaves little time for working in a diner from 9-5, especially given they will have to leave in a moments notice, oh and unlike other celebrities these fuckers have targets on their back hence why all but Tony who lives in his own large isolated home with top of the line security procedures, devices and personnel, live in a compound with each other as to not put normal people in danger constantly, also celebrities have the money to pay for hired security and such to help limit dangers to themselves and others Avengers cant because outside of criminal activity Avengers abilities don't transfer to mega bucks in the job market.
Also if you want to shit talk Stark for Ultron gotta blame Supes for Zod it's a double edged sword you weild with the grace and skill of a drunk gibbon.
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 24, 2017 23:25:49 GMT
Avengers spend a lot of time and resources training so that they can stop high risk threats, this includes potential terrorist plots, alien invasions, and yes even rogue robot attacks It's been 8 years from the Chitauri invasion to the events of SMH. There's hasn't been another alien attack. Thanos has done nothing but sit in his chair for 8 years and Thanos' right-hand guy Ronan was defeted by a silly Dance-Off far far away from Earth. As for rogue robot attacks, there's only been 1 in 8 years and that was caused by the Avengers. if you want to shit talk Stark for Ultron gotta blame Supes for Zod No, Zod is an independent person who existed long before Kal-El was born. Ultron wouldn't have existed if the Avengers hadn't created him ad Ultron is a piece of software code that Tony Stark wrote. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 24, 2017 23:42:18 GMT
Avengers spend a lot of time and resources training so that they can stop high risk threats, this includes potential terrorist plots, alien invasions, and yes even rogue robot attacks It's been 8 years from the Chitauri invasion to the events of SMH. There's hasn't been another alien attack. Thanos has done nothing but sit in his chair for 8 years and Thanos' right-hand guy Ronan was defeted by a silly Dance-Off far far away from Earth. As for rogue robot attacks, there's only been 1 in 8 years and that was caused by the Avengers. They do stuff off-screen against other threats, or do you need this spoonfed to you too? if you want to shit talk Stark for Ultron gotta blame Supes for Zod No, Zod is an independent person who existed long before Kal-El was born. Ultron wouldn't have existed if the Avengers hadn't created him ad Ultron is a piece of software code that Tony Stark wrote.[/quote] Zod wouldn't have come to Earth if not for Superman. So yes, it's the same situation in that the heroes had a hand in causing stuff. Except in the Avengers case most weren't involved so aside from Stark And Banner they're innocent. |
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Post by dazz on Oct 25, 2017 0:04:59 GMT
Avengers spend a lot of time and resources training so that they can stop high risk threats, this includes potential terrorist plots, alien invasions, and yes even rogue robot attacks It's been 8 years from the Chitauri invasion to the events of SMH. There's hasn't been another alien attack. Thanos has done nothing but sit in his chair for 8 years and Thanos' right-hand guy Ronan was defeted by a silly Dance-Off far far away from Earth. As for rogue robot attacks, there's only been 1 in 8 years and that was caused by the Avengers. if you want to shit talk Stark for Ultron gotta blame Supes for Zod No, Zod is an independent person who existed long before Kal-El was born. Ultron wouldn't have existed if the Avengers hadn't created him ad Ultron is a piece of software code that Tony Stark wrote. Avengers had been taking down Hydra bases trying to put an end to them and get back as much stolen tech they could between Winter Soldier & Ultron, ie they took down countless fortified and highly dangerous locations filled with enemy combatants who had super her tech weapons, they did this so not to risk military men and women's lives, after Ultron the new team began taking down other threats such as stopping terrorist and mercs like Crossbones stealing a multitude of deadly weapons such as nuclear or biological weapons, still means the Chitauri invasion is a major W in the win column for them btw.
Vision is what Ultron was meant to be before the mind stone usurped and/or corrupted the Ultron prototype, this was also not done willy nilly but Stark being manipulated by Wanda using her mind powers on him, Tony & Bruce even say they weren't close to getting Ultron to work, Bruce assumes fault but it's like saying if I leave a window open that it is explicitly my fault a serial killer snuck in through it and killed people, if I'm unaware theres a serial killer operating in the area how am I to know, I may feel responsible but that doesn't actually make me responsible, Tony did the equivalent he opened a window for Ultron to sneak in but that's because he had no idea Ultron was waiting for that chance.
Superman however knows he's an alien and he dicks about on a space ship without thinking what may happen if his people find him on this world that grants him and his kind godlike power, sure he didn't know things would happen as they did but his is far more likely to assume than Tony's is, also Ultron is as pre-existing & independent as Zod is, or did you miss the part where the mind stone has an "AI" which is far more advanced than even Jarvis which is where Tony gets the notion of trying to reverse engineer it for the Iron Legion protocol? neither Tony or Clark knew their actions would result in violent psycho's trying to end human life as we know it, but both inadvertently caused it then purposefully put a stop to it.
Also you ignored the part where Thor saved the universe from a threat he did not create, or Cap stopped Hydra from crushing freedom under their boots by way of a threat he played no part in creating, and you ignore the part where the Avengers know greater threats are out in the universe and so are preparing for the day they need to defend the planet again, the oh it's been 8 years is idiotic whining seeing how there has been 70 years since the last world war, countries like Britain & America haven't had to defend their territories in just as long yet they along with almost every other nation on the planet maintain armies to fight and defend their countries should the need arise, the Avengers know the threats could come so they are readying themselves for that day but hoping it will never come.
Also in SMH didn't Iron Man save that entire boat full of people, hardly a global threat similar to how he saved the plane full of people after the president got nabbed, as someone else pointed out Tony doesn't patrol for perps to nab or victims to save but should he know about a danger or crisis he himself is uniquely equipped to handle then he does, so he in fact does help the "irrelevant" and before you make yourself look even more retarded than you normally do and say it yet again NO, no one pays the Avengers for saving them, because I'm sick of you stating this idiotic bullshit...you utter pillock.
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 25, 2017 0:28:29 GMT
It's been 8 years from the Chitauri invasion to the events of SMH. There's hasn't been another alien attack. Thanos has done nothing but sit in his chair for 8 years and Thanos' right-hand guy Ronan was defeted by a silly Dance-Off far far away from Earth. As for rogue robot attacks, there's only been 1 in 8 years and that was caused by the Avengers. No, Zod is an independent person who existed long before Kal-El was born. Ultron wouldn't have existed if the Avengers hadn't created him ad Ultron is a piece of software code that Tony Stark wrote. Avengers had been taking down Hydra bases trying to put an end to them and get back as much stolen tech they could between Winter Soldier & Ultron, ie they took down countless fortified and highly dangerous locations filled with enemy combatants who had super her tech weapons, they did this so not to risk military men and women's lives, after Ultron the new team began taking down other threats such as stopping terrorist and mercs like Crossbones stealing a multitude of deadly weapons such as nuclear or biological weapons, still means the Chitauri invasion is a major W in the win column for them btw.
Vision is what Ultron was meant to be before the mind stone usurped and/or corrupted the Ultron prototype, this was also not done willy nilly but Stark being manipulated by Wanda using her mind powers on him, Tony & Bruce even say they weren't close to getting Ultron to work, Bruce assumes fault but it's like saying if I leave a window open that it is explicitly my fault a serial killer snuck in through it and killed people, if I'm unaware theres a serial killer operating in the area how am I to know, I may feel responsible but that doesn't actually make me responsible, Tony did the equivalent he opened a window for Ultron to sneak in but that's because he had no idea Ultron was waiting for that chance.
Superman however knows he's an alien and he dicks about on a space ship without thinking what may happen if his people find him on this world that grants him and his kind godlike power, sure he didn't know things would happen as they did but his is far more likely to assume than Tony's is, also Ultron is as pre-existing & independent as Zod is, or did you miss the part where the mind stone has an "AI" which is far more advanced than even Jarvis which is where Tony gets the notion of trying to reverse engineer it for the Iron Legion protocol? neither Tony or Clark knew their actions would result in violent psycho's trying to end human life as we know it, but both inadvertently caused it then purposefully put a stop to it.
Also you ignored the part where Thor saved the universe from a threat he did not create, or Cap stopped Hydra from crushing freedom under their boots by way of a threat he played no part in creating, and you ignore the part where the Avengers know greater threats are out in the universe and so are preparing for the day they need to defend the planet again, the oh it's been 8 years is idiotic whining seeing how there has been 70 years since the last world war, countries like Britain & America haven't had to defend their territories in just as long yet they along with almost every other nation on the planet maintain armies to fight and defend their countries should the need arise, the Avengers know the threats could come so they are readying themselves for that day but hoping it will never come.
Also in SMH didn't Iron Man save that entire boat full of people, hardly a global threat similar to how he saved the plane full of people after the president got nabbed, as someone else pointed out Tony doesn't patrol for perps to nab or victims to save but should he know about a danger or crisis he himself is uniquely equipped to handle then he does, so he in fact does help the "irrelevant" and before you make yourself look even more retarded than you normally do and say it yet again NO, no one pays the Avengers for saving them, because I'm sick of you stating this idiotic bullshit...you utter pillock.
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Post by dazz on Oct 25, 2017 0:39:01 GMT
Avengers had been taking down Hydra bases trying to put an end to them and get back as much stolen tech they could between Winter Soldier & Ultron, ie they took down countless fortified and highly dangerous locations filled with enemy combatants who had super her tech weapons, they did this so not to risk military men and women's lives, after Ultron the new team began taking down other threats such as stopping terrorist and mercs like Crossbones stealing a multitude of deadly weapons such as nuclear or biological weapons, still means the Chitauri invasion is a major W in the win column for them btw.
Vision is what Ultron was meant to be before the mind stone usurped and/or corrupted the Ultron prototype, this was also not done willy nilly but Stark being manipulated by Wanda using her mind powers on him, Tony & Bruce even say they weren't close to getting Ultron to work, Bruce assumes fault but it's like saying if I leave a window open that it is explicitly my fault a serial killer snuck in through it and killed people, if I'm unaware theres a serial killer operating in the area how am I to know, I may feel responsible but that doesn't actually make me responsible, Tony did the equivalent he opened a window for Ultron to sneak in but that's because he had no idea Ultron was waiting for that chance.
Superman however knows he's an alien and he dicks about on a space ship without thinking what may happen if his people find him on this world that grants him and his kind godlike power, sure he didn't know things would happen as they did but his is far more likely to assume than Tony's is, also Ultron is as pre-existing & independent as Zod is, or did you miss the part where the mind stone has an "AI" which is far more advanced than even Jarvis which is where Tony gets the notion of trying to reverse engineer it for the Iron Legion protocol? neither Tony or Clark knew their actions would result in violent psycho's trying to end human life as we know it, but both inadvertently caused it then purposefully put a stop to it.
Also you ignored the part where Thor saved the universe from a threat he did not create, or Cap stopped Hydra from crushing freedom under their boots by way of a threat he played no part in creating, and you ignore the part where the Avengers know greater threats are out in the universe and so are preparing for the day they need to defend the planet again, the oh it's been 8 years is idiotic whining seeing how there has been 70 years since the last world war, countries like Britain & America haven't had to defend their territories in just as long yet they along with almost every other nation on the planet maintain armies to fight and defend their countries should the need arise, the Avengers know the threats could come so they are readying themselves for that day but hoping it will never come.
Also in SMH didn't Iron Man save that entire boat full of people, hardly a global threat similar to how he saved the plane full of people after the president got nabbed, as someone else pointed out Tony doesn't patrol for perps to nab or victims to save but should he know about a danger or crisis he himself is uniquely equipped to handle then he does, so he in fact does help the "irrelevant" and before you make yourself look even more retarded than you normally do and say it yet again NO, no one pays the Avengers for saving them, because I'm sick of you stating this idiotic bullshit...you utter pillock.
Don't rise to him. He isn't worth real anger. Only part that actually annoys me is his repeating the same things verbatim even after they are disproved, arguing with him otherwise is somewhat enjoyable and cathartic. |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Oct 25, 2017 0:47:33 GMT
scabab can we put a nail in this coffin please? Hee hee hee...
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Post by dazz on Oct 25, 2017 0:51:51 GMT
scabab can we put a nail in this coffin please? Hee hee hee... spoil sport. |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Oct 25, 2017 1:05:11 GMT
scabab can we put a nail in this coffin please? Hee hee hee... spoil sport. That's fair. I take it back - let's keep it going. Forever. Hee hee hee... |
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Post by scabab on Oct 25, 2017 8:07:17 GMT
Just keep it calm. What usually starts as disagreements that are discussed properly soon seems to end up with a lot of mud slinging between users. And this Sad thing is, I actually think Ken believes this bosh. BTW, here's his FB page: Is not ok at all. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Oct 25, 2017 17:51:20 GMT
Tony pays the Avengers' salary. They get paid a salary to be Avengers? So the Avengers aren't on the team because they want to help people out of the goodness of their heart. The Avengers are there because they're paid to be on the team. Got it.
So Tony pays them a salary to be Avengers. Is it just a salary or does it also include room and board? Is it a 6-figure salary or a 7-figure salary? Do they report that on their tax returns? Or do they even pay any taxes on the income they receive for being Avengers?
No he pays them to live. They have no other job, but to be Avengers. If Superman wasn't Clark Kent how would he get paid to live? Oh yeah, Bruce Wayne would pay for him to live in the Watchtower or Hall of Justice. That stuff ain't free. And are you saying that police aren't being police out of the goodness of their heart? Firefighters are putting out fires because it's the right thing to do? What about doctors? They have the gall to charge people for medical care? They should be doing that for free!!! They have the skills to save people, why are they getting paid? Of course it's room and board. They live at the Avengers base as show in Civil War. And I see you are going full retard. Do you report your salary when you do your taxes? |
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Post by ThatGuy on Oct 25, 2017 17:54:32 GMT
....Is this your actual honest attempt at making a point or are you ttrolling? I cant tell where the insanity ends and bullshit begins, but to sum it up, Avengers spend a lot of time and resources training so that they can stop high risk threats, this includes potential terrorist plots, alien invasions, and yes even rogue robot attacks, this leaves little time for working in a diner from 9-5, especially given they will have to leave in a moments notice, oh and unlike other celebrities these fuckers have targets on their back hence why all but Tony who lives in his own large isolated home with top of the line security procedures, devices and personnel, live in a compound with each other as to not put normal people in danger constantly, also celebrities have the money to pay for hired security and such to help limit dangers to themselves and others Avengers cant because outside of criminal activity Avengers abilities don't transfer to mega bucks in the job market.
Also if you want to shit talk Stark for Ultron gotta blame Supes for Zod it's a double edged sword you weild with the grace and skill of a drunk gibbon.
This dude is trolling and has gone full retard. I don't think I can take this guy seriously. I couldn't before, but it seems like he's taking it to a whole new level. |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Oct 25, 2017 18:11:00 GMT
....Is this your actual honest attempt at making a point or are you ttrolling? I cant tell where the insanity ends and bullshit begins, but to sum it up, Avengers spend a lot of time and resources training so that they can stop high risk threats, this includes potential terrorist plots, alien invasions, and yes even rogue robot attacks, this leaves little time for working in a diner from 9-5, especially given they will have to leave in a moments notice, oh and unlike other celebrities these fuckers have targets on their back hence why all but Tony who lives in his own large isolated home with top of the line security procedures, devices and personnel, live in a compound with each other as to not put normal people in danger constantly, also celebrities have the money to pay for hired security and such to help limit dangers to themselves and others Avengers cant because outside of criminal activity Avengers abilities don't transfer to mega bucks in the job market.
Also if you want to shit talk Stark for Ultron gotta blame Supes for Zod it's a double edged sword you weild with the grace and skill of a drunk gibbon.
This dude is trolling and has gone full retard. I don't think I can take this guy seriously. I couldn't before, but it seems like he's taking it to a whole new level. I hate to say it but,... Hee hee hee... |
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Post by harpospoke on Oct 25, 2017 18:20:28 GMT
Well someone never watched the 2 Avengers movies where they were clearly shown saving average citizens. Fake complaint. You're crediting the Avengers for saving people from Ultron, who was created by the Avengers? That's like calling an arsonist who set a building on fire a hero because the arsonist ran into the building to save a child from the fire that he started! LOL!!! The child wouldn't have needed saving if the arsonist hadn't started the fire in the 1st place. And likewise, those people in Age of Ultron wouldn't have needed saving if the Avengers hadn't created Ultron in the 1st place. You say that as if it is relevant to the original claim. Do the Avengers save average people? Yes they do. Obviously....they are shown doing it in the movies. So the claim by the OP was factually wrong. Their motivation is still to save innocent people. As a matter of fact that motivation is used in a later movie....Civil War. Now if you want to change the subject to something else like what you were talking about there, then maybe it needs a new thread where your post would be relevant. In this thread, your post is just an excuse to keep from "counting it". |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Oct 26, 2017 18:15:27 GMT
On the TV show Person of Interest, each episode began with a narrative by Finch about the machine he built that detected threats to ordinary people whom " the government considered irrelevant. They wouldn't act so I decided I would". In BvS, we saw Superman saving a little girl from a fire and the Flash stopping a grocery store robbery. In the JL trailers, we saw Wonder Woman come to the rescue when armed robbers take hostages. But we've never seen the Avengers save ordinary people from a fire or stop a grocery store robbery or take down some hostage-takers. In fact, in SMH Tony Stark even points out to Peter Parker that helping the irrelevant people is below the Avengers' pay grade. So the Avengers won't help anyone who can't afford to pay? If you're not in the highest tax bracket, the Avengers won't help you? We hardly ever see them eating anything and we never see them taking a shit either. I wonder how they avoid dying from starvation or exploding with constipation?!  Except that them eating or shitting doesn't tell us anything about who they are as characters, and would thus be a waste of screen time (other than as a quick joke at the end of Avengers), whereas saving lives is what they are all about.. since they're, you know, super HEROES. Your analogy isn't well thought out. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2017 0:51:32 GMT
We hardly ever see them eating anything and we never see them taking a shit either. I wonder how they avoid dying from starvation or exploding with constipation?! Except that them eating or shitting doesn't tell us anything about who they are as characters, and would thus be a waste of screen time (other than as a quick joke at the end of Avengers), whereas saving lives is what they are all about.. since they're, you know, super HEROES. Your analogy isn't well thought out. Do you really need me to explain it to you or would you rather have another think about it first? |
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