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Post by ThatGuy on Jan 21, 2018 1:45:18 GMT
You see how there are abnormal aliens and one human in there? That's what I mean by I want it to be like Star Wars. I want that to be a normal thing. I want people to watch these movies and know that anything can happen. I don't want people to see these movies and have a "that's silly" mindset. The only things that an X-men movie needs is the characters. And that's what the MCU does better than any of the other comic book movies. I dont want Xmen like 99% of other MCU movies where they barely have any meat to their dramatic story telling. Where there is hardly any hero-villain confrontation on a deeper literary level. I dont want Xmen to be constantly jokey and make their storylines lighthearted flicks. I dont want them to treat villains like trash. I dont want them to make every hero a arrogant, cocky jock type that quips. I dont want predictable CGI driven 3rd acts that have little feeling of stakes and not enough emotional conclusions of First Class, DOFP, X2, Logan and Civil War to an extent. Aliens and the more fantastical features is fine and Im disappointed Fox couldnt touch on them but Im not talking about superficial things like that. Im talking about the basic direction and blueprint that these movies are built on. Strip everything that is aesthetic about the 2 franchises down to its most rudimentary form, the printed script - and I feel that Fox want to sell their stories in a more artistic, rough and elegant manner wheras Disney wants to tell in a broader, refined and easily accessible manner. And that goes mainly for all the studios respective projects, expanded to things like Star Wars and Planet of Apes. If they could combine whats best about Foxs Xmen with the best things MCU brings then you will have a perfect comic book movie imo. There's barely any dramatic storytelling in the X-men movies. The only meaningful hero villain confrontation is with Magneto or when Xavier gets kidnapped. I mean how much did Shaw converse with any of the heroes? All of the villains in the X-men movies were treated like trash except for Magneto who got the same storyline every movie. And the X-men don't constantly joke? It's funny that you people cry about the MCU capping a dramatic scene with a joke when the X-men movies did it also. I seem to remember Magneto yelling at Xavier about not being there for mutants and destroying the plane then Logan capping the scene with asking him if he's going to pick that shit up. There are no cocky, arrogant, jock-types in the MCU. There are 3 arrogant characters (Thor, Stark and Strange) and that is a part of their character. There are no CGI driven 3rd acts in the MCU. Maybe Dr. Strange and Ant-man and the Avengers movies. But really how else would you do any of these without CGI? How would you do a movie set in space without being CGI heavy? Sigh... I'm not talking about aliens. I'm talking about abnormal mutants. Nightcrawlers and Beasts... The Morlocks. Feral and Thorne. I want mutants that they have to augment with CGI even when not using their powers. Just for appearance's sake. That is a visual representation of the world they live in. Most mutants aren't pretty and can blend in. That's the thing that the Fox movies get wrong. They have it that Xavier wants to train mutants on their powers so they can blend in to society. The point of the X-men was to show that mutants can help and be just as good as superhuman teams like the Avengers and Fantastic Four. That's the point of them wearing the colorful uniforms. Because the others did also. That's also why they go out and stop bad mutants. The mutant hate thing is just wallpaper in their world. It's backdrop. I really hope that the MCU movies don't use that to frame every movie, but use it as a devise for certain stories.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Jan 21, 2018 1:51:37 GMT
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 21, 2018 2:18:24 GMT
How did cartoons like spiderman and xmen tas have more maturity, depth and seriousness compared to mcu movies? They didn't. Well, none of those stories were very good to begin with. Why adapt them? Authentic than anything Raimi gave us. It's called maturing the character over time and more than 1 movie. Raimi bungled it by moving him out of High School in 30 minutes. Really ashamed, perhaps. You're ignoring Al Pacino saying he wants to be in a MCU film.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 21, 2018 2:20:42 GMT
I dont want Xmen like 99% of other MCU movies where they barely have any meat to their dramatic story telling. Where there is hardly any hero-villain confrontation on a deeper literary level. So you want movies where the writers have no faith in their hero to carry the storyline then. Unashamed? No you're not. No, just a more ashamed one. Please, leave it to the Fox crew and they'd do stuff like make the Asgardians a Cult of Larpers who live in a musty old castle somewhere.
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Post by summers8 on Jan 21, 2018 10:36:24 GMT
I dont want Xmen like 99% of other MCU movies where they barely have any meat to their dramatic story telling. Where there is hardly any hero-villain confrontation on a deeper literary level. I dont want Xmen to be constantly jokey and make their storylines lighthearted flicks. I dont want them to treat villains like trash. I dont want them to make every hero a arrogant, cocky jock type that quips. I dont want predictable CGI driven 3rd acts that have little feeling of stakes and not enough emotional conclusions of First Class, DOFP, X2, Logan and Civil War to an extent. Aliens and the more fantastical features is fine and Im disappointed Fox couldnt touch on them but Im not talking about superficial things like that. Im talking about the basic direction and blueprint that these movies are built on. Strip everything that is aesthetic about the 2 franchises down to its most rudimentary form, the printed script - and I feel that Fox want to sell their stories in a more artistic, rough and elegant manner wheras Disney wants to tell in a broader, refined and easily accessible manner. And that goes mainly for all the studios respective projects, expanded to things like Star Wars and Planet of Apes. If they could combine whats best about Foxs Xmen with the best things MCU brings then you will have a perfect comic book movie imo. There's barely any dramatic storytelling in the X-men movies. The only meaningful hero villain confrontation is with Magneto or when Xavier gets kidnapped. I mean how much did Shaw converse with any of the heroes? All of the villains in the X-men movies were treated like trash except for Magneto who got the same storyline every movie. And the X-men don't constantly joke? It's funny that you people cry about the MCU capping a dramatic scene with a joke when the X-men movies did it also. I seem to remember Magneto yelling at Xavier about not being there for mutants and destroying the plane then Logan capping the scene with asking him if he's going to pick that shit up. There are no cocky, arrogant, jock-types in the MCU. There are 3 arrogant characters (Thor, Stark and Strange) and that is a part of their character. There are no CGI driven 3rd acts in the MCU. Maybe Dr. Strange and Ant-man and the Avengers movies. But really how else would you do any of these without CGI? How would you do a movie set in space without being CGI heavy? Sigh... I'm not talking about aliens. I'm talking about abnormal mutants. Nightcrawlers and Beasts... The Morlocks. Feral and Thorne. I want mutants that they have to augment with CGI even when not using their powers. Just for appearance's sake. That is a visual representation of the world they live in. Most mutants aren't pretty and can blend in. That's the thing that the Fox movies get wrong. They have it that Xavier wants to train mutants on their powers so they can blend in to society. The point of the X-men was to show that mutants can help and be just as good as superhuman teams like the Avengers and Fantastic Four. That's the point of them wearing the colorful uniforms. Because the others did also. That's also why they go out and stop bad mutants. The mutant hate thing is just wallpaper in their world. It's backdrop. I really hope that the MCU movies don't use that to frame every movie, but use it as a devise for certain stories. An MCU fan saying there is barley any dramatic story telling makes me laugh, funny, these mcu fans are the people that once admitted it and wanted xmen to be fun and jokes, no wonder the desperation to turn multiple man into comedy was high, its simple. Story telling make it more about character interaction and drama than explosions. the average good xmen film uses only 25% of action scenes and most times to drive the plot or develop the character. that is good story telling. this is a good example where story telling , character development meets cgi. Remember good story telling? why ed Norton and mickey rouke had to quit marvel movies? . Its MCU fans vs XMen fans , long time comic book readers, critics and many other credible film artists. Where all the villain treated like trash? Nope. Future Sentinels? I am familiar with the ultron comics, ultron was meant to be like a sentinel from DOFP? So why was he a silly non threaten joke fest? shaw, stryker. Back in the days of X2 , Brian Cox received high acclaim for his Hitler Style role in X2. I guess you were still young then, xmen films have been around since the 2000s like other comic films such as spiderman and batman and the villain problem started with mcu movies. No cgi driven 3rd arc in MCU? WHAT? AVENGERS, AGE OF ULTRON, IRON MAN 1, IRON MAN 2, IRON MAN 3, CIVIL WAR, DR STRANGE, GOTG, GOTG 2, THOR 1, THOR 2, THOR 3. Avengers spent the last 40 minutes blowing up new York city. Do you think someone like john landis is blind when he said all what marvel movies do is blow up cities or chris pine, who said the same about infinity war? They say so because it is the truth. Jodi Forster recently called it bad content. So all thee people are lying? And you the masters of lies is saying it is the truth? Its on youtube love. the trailer of infinity war showed new york in pieces and trashed again. you are in denial. it pathetic now. Maybe it will not be so obvious if MCU did not go for over colourful cgi to make their movies more shiny to children. feedback from thor 3, Unlike xmen that still keeps their cgi grounded and only uses it for a minute or two than its back to story telling. See DOFP. Oh and no,X-Men don’t constantly joke. Singer even said he did not like that. Mcu movies are comedy driven as confirmed by Feige, xmen are drama driven. This is fact. Look, how stupid do you think deep thinking people are? If xmen was all these things you said, everyone would have said so but no one is saying so but you, a desperate mcu fan trying to bring xmen down to the garbage MCU level of cgi, jokes and zero plot, MCU X-Men will be an embarrassment to movies like Logan, DOFP, X2, X-Men, First Class, TDK, Batman Begins, V for Vendetta. Remember in 2014 when DOFP was out? Best comic movie since TDK that was the feed back, than Logan came around. MCU just got worse and worse with jokes, cartoonish look ,explosions and zero plot. disney soulless crap. Winter Solider and Civil War were the exceptions. 2 of 17 movies. awful This is what you call good story telling. I will use TDK and DOFP as examples Both movies have 3 messed up complex characters at a cross road in their lives, the loss of loved ones driven them to madness and any action they take, can affect everyone who is anyone. both movies is not about wrong and right or ganging up to stop aliens and blowing up cities like avengers? it about choices ,see how you can keep it grounded? see what good drama is?. see why DOFP was called the best comic film since TDK before Logan by critics and comic book fans? in MCU, they are too busy blinding us with their visual effects and non stop action scenes. shall I go further from the director. its thatguy vs nolan? I wonder who is the winner even in an insane world. Nolan on Singer's approach to xmen movies. this is nolan, it not me.
'''There wasn’t really a superhero genre before X-Men came out. Funny enough, I remember catching a plane watching X-Men 2000, while we were promoting The Prestige with Chris Nolan [who] said to me that he’d always had the Batman in his mind. Even way back before 2000, he had the version of Batman that he ended up making in his head. He said, ‘when I went into the cinema and saw X-Men, I said damn, that’s my idea.’ The idea that you could really dive in to the emotional life, to the vulnerability of these characters and that, as well as being fantastical, amazing and action, is what’s going to hook people and make them care. That’s what Bryan did, he had a lot of courage to do that.”
Nolan even called it courageous, that xmen movies went for good drama but I am sure if he read xmen comics, it was easy because the comics are like that. and guess who backs it up? Chris Claremont. www.unleashthefanboy.com/movies/christopher-nolan-x-me/70919And this was just X-Men 1. the best was to come in FC, DOFP, Logan, X2. see thatguy? that is what you call factually dramatic story. funnier? thatguy says xmen is his favourite series but despise xmen movies for making mcu movies look stupid. no, mcu looks stupid on their own. At t least formersamhmd or what ever his name is thinks it is because people like xmen and nolan are ashamed, I think I prefer his response to you that lies, lies, lies,spew bs and tries to rewrite facts. all to defend MCU movies that Saturday morning cartoons such as spiderman tas , batman tas and xmen tas had more maturity than in the 90s. so sad. the poor low state of mcu movies.
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Post by summers8 on Jan 21, 2018 11:06:26 GMT
hm, lets see more mcu childish bs compared to xmen. this is shaw's death. it gripping, its emotional, its a dark moment, its sad, its the death of a friendship and its taken seriously,, stakes are felt. good story telling also because it was foreshadowed at the beginning of the film of how Magneto will kill shaw. this is loki's, um .....defeat in avengers and its for jokes and laughs. yeah, no wonder black panther said xmen movies was one of their influence to make good comic film? thatguy how come xmen movies is what black panther is looking up too to be taken seriously as deep and thoughtful? not their own MCU movies? don't you see the weirdness. www.digitalspy.com/movies/black-panther/news/a833914/black-panther-michael-b-jordan-x-men-plot-chadwick-boseman/ Black Panther's Michael B Jordan teases 'X-Men plot' with Chadwick BosemanNow iTs thatguy vs Black Panther actors on how much mcu movies are bad. MCU XMEN = BS.
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Post by charzhino on Jan 21, 2018 11:33:25 GMT
There's barely any dramatic storytelling in the X-men movies. The only meaningful hero villain confrontation is with Magneto or when Xavier gets kidnapped. I mean how much did Shaw converse with any of the heroes? All of the villains in the X-men movies were treated like trash except for Magneto who got the same storyline every movie. Theres plenty dramatic storytelling, scenes longer than a minute or two that are focused on dialogue to emphasise a theme or to drive the plot forward, compared to typical MCU movies where its usually glossed over in a few seconds. Xavier and Starks problems in IM3 and DOFP is one small example. Rogues outcast arc compared to Wandas in Ultron. When Shaw infiltrates the CIA base with the young mutants, hes given great lines to show his perspective and motive very well. With Magneto at the end in the submarine, he sets up perfectly Magnetos future path by explaining his own ethos. And others like when Stryker meets Wolverine in X2 in the ice wall or Apocalypse meeting storm/taking Eric to Auswitz. The villain is written in a way that he feels equal to the heros not just physically but intellectually as well. I dont get the same feeling for guys like Malketh, Ultron, Yellowjacket, Hela, Ronan, etc. This is what you arent getting. That joke is fine because its delivered after the serious stuff is over and is a relief mechanism and scene transition. In the MCU the jokes are all over the place during serious moments too which downplay the importance of the heavy handed stuff. In every final act in an Xmen film, theres no abundance of jokes (if any) like there is in MCU. And add Quill and AntMan to that. The thor movies are CGI bonanzas too with no heart. Gotg 2 got the balance right with having a major fight sequence followed by a grounded ending because MCU finally had the balls to kill a major character. Just look at how each Xmen film ends, theres always a strong human element that balances the CGI action. Its sorely missing in the listed films. Only gotg 2 and Winter Soldier/CW have them. This is a big reason why general audiences get bored when 3rd act of blockbuster movies is just mindless CGI destruction. Yeh all good points but my original post was stripping down both franchises from aesthetics to reveal how they want to tell their stories.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 21, 2018 13:53:32 GMT
An MCU fan saying there is barley any dramatic story telling makes me laugh, funny, these mcu fans are the people that once admitted it and wanted xmen to be fun and jokes, no wonder the desperation to turn multiple man into comedy was high, its simple. Franco himself wants Multiple Man to be a comedy. He just wants to do his usual sex fest only with a sci-fi bent. That's MCU, only it's not pretentious about it. Is repetitive. They're Divas who wanted control over the movies. FoX-Men took the lazy way out and made the villains the real stars of the movie because they had no faith in their heroes. No, you're not. The real stars of X2 and FC, because the writers had no faith in the X-Men themselves. There's no "problem", you're just too brainwashed from the old ways that you can't accept the idea of the hero being the star of the show. You need CGI for the impressive stuff those stories brought us. You think we could've gotten the Chitauri, Ultron, Iron Monger, the Extremis Soldiers, Dormammu and any of the cosmic stuff in the Thor and GOTG movies without any VFX? Civil War didn't have much CGI.00 It's an alien invasion, they weren't going to end it in 5 minutes like X-Men would do. He's only saying that to stick up for his son Max. He's DC, he can't say nice stuff about the competition. Called out ALL Superhero movies. That's what happens when aliens invade. No, the difference is that X-Men uses it un-creatively. Singer doesn't know what he's doing, because they did joke in every movie. No, FoX-Men is just pretentious. That's the difference. The FoX-Men movies aren't big enough in number nor a major competitor anymore. No one notices because no one really cares about them anymore. The MCU is bigger and more powerful, so it attracts more criticism. No one said that, the real winner of 2014 was Guardians. It only got decent reviews because it was jackman's last time as Logan. Better and better. Beating WB at practically every turn.0 Pretentious nonsense. Pretentious characters in pretentious stories. No one said that, the real accolades went to Guardians. [/b][/i][/quote] Nolan only said all that because at the time the X-Men movies were the only real mainstream superhero films people knew about. He wanted free publicity. If Iron Man had come out before his movies, he'd have praised Iron Man. Claremont's been a hack for over 25 years. Pretentious Fluff.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 21, 2018 13:54:17 GMT
hm, lets see more mcu childish bs compared to xmen. this is shaw's death. Silliness, and shows Magneto's hypocrisy. But the movie never elaborates.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 21, 2018 13:58:13 GMT
Theres plenty dramatic storytelling, scenes longer than a minute or two that are focused on dialogue to emphasise a theme or to drive the plot forward, compared to typical MCU movies where its usually glossed over in a few seconds. Xavier and Starks problems in IM3 and DOFP is one small example. Rogues outcast arc compared to Wandas in Ultron. Yeah, the Fox stuff hammers it into your skull because it can't be subtle and it makes its characters weak and reactive instead of proactive and dynamic. That's what happens when you have no faith in the hero to drive the plot and you make the villain the star of the show. Cops and Soldiers do this in real life. Quill is supposed to be a Han Solo type, and Ant-Man isn't that cocky or arrogant. Oh yeah, not "grounded" enough. Yeesh. Repetitively. Yes, Fox does it pretentiously while MCU is unashamed.
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Post by scabab on Jan 21, 2018 16:19:13 GMT
So I thought I'd bump the thread so that people could give some interesting suggestions and instead we have the same arguments amongst the same people yet again.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jan 21, 2018 16:47:32 GMT
Yeah this thread became nothing but another "my company is better than your company!".
Shout out to the shills who can't hold a discussion without getting into fights.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 21, 2018 21:04:59 GMT
Xmen films are relatively deeper and many people agree. Can you literally name any? All Summers8 does is bring up how some people who worked on MCU films were left unhappy and how this never happens with the FoX-Men...conveniently ignoring complaints by Anna Paquin and Halle Berry.
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Post by charzhino on Jan 21, 2018 21:06:54 GMT
Xmen films are relatively deeper and many people agree. Can you literally name any? All Summers8 does is bring up how some people who worked on MCU films were left unhappy and how this never happens with the FoX-Men...conveniently ignoring complaints by Anna Paquin and Halle Berry. Twitter, other movie/comic book forums, youtube commentators, etc. You really think its a couple of people om imdb2 who think these opinions? Seriously?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 21:14:17 GMT
Can you literally name any? All Summers8 does is bring up how some people who worked on MCU films were left unhappy and how this never happens with the FoX-Men...conveniently ignoring complaints by Anna Paquin and Halle Berry. Twitter, other movie/comic book forums, youtube commentators, etc. You really think its a couple of people om imdb2 who think these opinions? Seriously? You just failed to name anyone. He didn't ask for website. He asked for names.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 21, 2018 21:14:50 GMT
[ Twitter, other movie/comic book forums, youtube commentators, etc. You really think its a couple of people om imdb2 who think these opinions? Seriously? Yes, I do. No one reputably talks that way about the FoX-Men or how "deep" they are. Hell, the only reason Nolan mentioned the FoX-Men movies was for free publicity.
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Post by charzhino on Jan 21, 2018 21:17:21 GMT
[ Twitter, other movie/comic book forums, youtube commentators, etc. You really think its a couple of people om imdb2 who think these opinions? Seriously? Yes, I do. No one reputably talks that way about the FoX-Men or how "deep" they are. Hell, the only reason Nolan mentioned the FoX-Men movies was for free publicity. Then you need to expand youre internet horizon because you are sheltered.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 21:19:35 GMT
Yes, I do. No one reputably talks that way about the FoX-Men or how "deep" they are. Hell, the only reason Nolan mentioned the FoX-Men movies was for free publicity. Then you need to expand youre internet horizon because you are sheltered. I'm not seeing any names listed.
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Post by charzhino on Jan 21, 2018 21:22:59 GMT
Then you need to expand youre internet horizon because you are sheltered. I'm not seeing any names listed. Go on other forums like superhero hype and visit the Xmen sub forum. Youll find plenty there if you browse through the recent pages. Go on Xmen-twitter and youl see as well. Go on any xmen scene youtube vid and see the top rated comments. The old imdb xmen forums had members who didnt transfer over to here with similar opinions.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 21, 2018 21:23:38 GMT
I'm not seeing any names listed. Go on other forums like superhero hype and visit the Xmen sub forum. Youll find plenty there if you browse through the recent pages. Go on Xmen-twitter and youl see as well. Go on any xmen scene youtube vid and see the top rated comments. The old imdb xmen forums had members who didnt transfer over to here with similar opinions. Still no names.
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