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Post by charzhino on Jan 21, 2018 21:25:07 GMT
Go on other forums like superhero hype and visit the Xmen sub forum. Youll find plenty there if you browse through the recent pages. Go on Xmen-twitter and youl see as well. Go on any xmen scene youtube vid and see the top rated comments. The old imdb xmen forums had members who didnt transfer over to here with similar opinions. Still no names. MarvelRobbins on superhero hype.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 21:28:17 GMT
I'm not seeing any names listed. Go on other forums like superhero hype and visit the Xmen sub forum. Youll find plenty there if you browse through the recent pages. Go on Xmen-twitter and youl see as well. Go on any xmen scene youtube vid and see the top rated comments. The old imdb xmen forums had members who didnt transfer over to here with similar opinions. He asked for names and you were failing to supply. The burden of proof isn't on the person asking. It's on the person being ASKED.
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Post by Jedan Archer on Jan 21, 2018 21:30:24 GMT
Go on other forums like superhero hype and visit the Xmen sub forum. Youll find plenty there if you browse through the recent pages. Go on Xmen-twitter and youl see as well. Go on any xmen scene youtube vid and see the top rated comments. The old imdb xmen forums had members who didnt transfer over to here with similar opinions. Still no names. I am not a fan or expert of either franchise, but agree that X-Men films tend to be deeper and more mature than MCU movies, relatively speaking. This is self evident unless one is blind and I think most reasonable viewers will agree. Eg the first X-Men had a neat minority oppression theme going and equals Watchmen in thematic richness. Logan was an dark and human existential drama, there is no comparison for this in the MCU films, not even close.
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Post by charzhino on Jan 21, 2018 21:36:15 GMT
Im quite shocked that these guys think the opinion of Xmen being more mature and deep than MCU is solely held by 2 or 3 people on this board. I mean wow how unaware do you have to be to believe that?
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Post by scabab on Jan 21, 2018 21:57:18 GMT
Well that went completely off the rails so I used the Eye of Agamotto to reverse a lot of what was said. Still left in what was somewhat a discussion.
This thread in no way required any criticism towards the MCU. It was just an ordinary peaceful question.
What storylines or do you want to see when Marvel Studios start making X-men movies. Why you can't talk about that without going off track and arguing?
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Post by charzhino on Jan 21, 2018 22:04:42 GMT
To actually respond to the topic, I would like them to do any Apocalypse story because hes my fav comic book villain and rhe recent film didnt do him any justice. MCU will get the visual aspect of it right at the very least.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 21, 2018 22:19:38 GMT
g the first X-Men had a neat minority oppression theme going and equals Watchmen in thematic richness. Logan was an dark and human existential drama, there is no comparison for this in the MCU films, not even close. X-Men has never worked as a real analogy for oppression, any real analysis into it and the whole thing falls apart. So that "thematic richness" you describe is really quite shallow. Logan had a very basic and predictable plot. It was enjoyed because people wanted to go easy on Jackman and Stewart's last time in the saddle.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 21, 2018 22:20:25 GMT
Well that went completely off the rails so I used the Eye of Agamotto to reverse a lot of what was said. Still left in what was somewhat a discussion. This thread in no way required any criticism towards the MCU. It was just an ordinary peaceful question. What storylines or do you want to see when Marvel Studios start making X-men movies. Why you can't talk about that without going off track and arguing? I want the Savage Land, maybe Lucifer as the bad guy.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Jan 22, 2018 18:35:10 GMT
E is for Extinction. Grant Morrison destroys half the mutant population at the hands of Professor X's unknown evil sister Cassandra Nova with the help of "wild" sentinels. Fucking awesome storyline that rattled the status quo of the X-Men sub-universe.
HA, E is for Extinction. Cassandra Nova goes nuclear, bombed 16 million mutants and placed herself as one of the greatest comic book villains of the 21st century. MCU has no good villains. MCU Disney cannot make that type of movie. it will fucking scare the minds of kids and is not marketable enough for the dumb masses, not to mention , it needs a lot of drama and major story telling. guys, see how said it is, some of you are mentioning some of the best written marvel stories like E is for Extinction and Inferno and none of these movies will ever been green lighted by Disney without having it very dumbed down to an unforgivable level. Maybe much worse than Ragnarok now stands for GOTG comedy. Just be happy with your X2s , DOFPs and Logans and hopefully New Mutants, Multiple Man and X-Force. The last true X-Men movies we will have. I loved how you said X-Men sub-universe as it showed X-Men worked better on their own and the separation form MCU always made sense. Even in the sub-universe, we still had characters like Legion, Mojo and Deadpool in a little cracked world of their own. All of these is meaningless to MCU Disney. We'll see. While I agree to a certain degree, I also disagree that Disney is as dumb about their properties as many seem to think. After all, the "quality" of MCU has not gone down since Disney bought them. They're still "on track".
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Jan 22, 2018 18:38:32 GMT
What you said has nothing to do with X-Men.( It has everything to do with it. Claremont can say what he's paid to say, but he wrote tons of "non-grounded" stuff. He's a hack now, has been for 25 years, but his best work was the non-grounded stuff. When the MCU X-Men come out, audiences will watch it and think "Cripes, I really wasted years of life with Fox. THIS is X-Men!"
Your era of restrained and crippled 'grounded' X-Men is dead and done, thankfully. We're going to be enjoying something genuine for the first time in 18 years.And if that's not spoken like a true brainwashed "drank the Kool-Aid" MCU fanatic then I don't know what is! HA HA! You go, formersamhmd! Drink that Kool-Aid!
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 22, 2018 21:36:28 GMT
It has everything to do with it. Claremont can say what he's paid to say, but he wrote tons of "non-grounded" stuff. He's a hack now, has been for 25 years, but his best work was the non-grounded stuff. When the MCU X-Men come out, audiences will watch it and think "Cripes, I really wasted years of life with Fox. THIS is X-Men!"
Your era of restrained and crippled 'grounded' X-Men is dead and done, thankfully. We're going to be enjoying something genuine for the first time in 18 years.And if that's not spoken like a true brainwashed "drank the Kool-Aid" MCU fanatic then I don't know what is! HA HA! You go, formersamhmd! Drink that Kool-Aid!
Maybe I'm being a tad overzealous, but this is well-deserved payback on FoX-Men fans for years of their own attitudes.
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Post by claudius on Jan 25, 2018 16:53:50 GMT
"He's a hack now, has been for 25 years..."
Hmm...1992-2017. Oh, okay then.
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Post by harpospoke on Jan 25, 2018 23:33:40 GMT
You don't want xmen to be grounded, so their movies can stop embarrassing the MCU cgi driven brainless comedy movies that no sane film artist or long time comic book reader respects or takes seriously? I cannot wait when the first MCU X-Men movie is out and gets the backlash of the Last Jedi, Last I checked MCU fans are still defending last jedi even deluding themselves that star wars always had the MCU type comedy, very thin plotted and was all cgi, comments that just infuriated the already pissed off star wars fan base ie me.
You want to know why X-Men for Marvel and Batman for DC had all the best written comic book stories? they were grounded, thematic and taken every seriously with a major awareness of their surroundings. they were nothing like GOTG or Avengers movies. That is disney. That is not X-Men and that is the reason the MCU X-Men will be awful and hated upon. the only people that will like MCU X-Men will be the the dumb masses, MCU fans and children. Average RT score for Fox X-men movies: 73.2% (10 movies) Average RT score for MCU movies: 83.1% (17 movies) Fox sure was "embarrassing" Marvel! I want Marvel to do all the cool 80s stories that Fox was afraid to do right. I'll take Claremont's "grounded" over Fox's "grounded" any day. Would be cool to see one of his inventions the Brood. And finally seeing Claremont characters like Rogue and Phoenix done right will be nice too. Also those "grounded" Starjamers. But I guess Marvel was already brave enough to do something like that with GotG. And you need to check again with MCU fans because I think The Last Jedi is an atrocity. That comedy worked in a Thor movie but felt totally out of place in a SW movie. If only the "comedy" was the main problem. That's just a minor gripe though.
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Post by harpospoke on Jan 25, 2018 23:34:12 GMT
And I find it funny that you guys watch a movie series about people that want to be included, but don't want them included. Ha ha...good point. Having the mutants have to deal with super powered people who fear them is even better.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Jan 25, 2018 23:41:48 GMT
harpospoke Stop pretending that you’ve read Claremont’s X-Men.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Jan 25, 2018 23:50:59 GMT
summers8Reply to the thread you fucking coward.
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Post by harpospoke on Jan 25, 2018 23:51:05 GMT
harpospoke Stop pretending that you’ve read Claremont’s X-Men. That's pretty much the only ones I read. I certainly wouldn't touch anything they are putting out now. But this whole argument isn't fair since Fox is out of the picture and has been owned by Marvel in every way for years. Now we can look forward to real X-men as a team with Marvel instead of Fox's Logan saga. Too bad Fox is going to sully Dark Phoenix again before Marvel takes over. (unless they make one of their rare good movies) But in a way that could work out because Marvel will have to establish the team as real characters with real relationships over years before they can go back and do Dark Phoenix right.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Jan 25, 2018 23:57:43 GMT
harpospoke Stop pretending that you’ve read Claremont’s X-Men. That's pretty much the only ones I read. I certainly wouldn't touch anything they are putting out now. But this whole argument isn't fair since Fox is out of the picture and has been owned by Marvel in every way for years. Now we can look forward to real X-men as a team with Marvel instead of Fox's Logan saga. Too bad Fox is going to sully Dark Phoenix again before Marvel takes over. (unless they make one of their rare good movies) But in a way that could work out because Marvel will have to establish the team as real characters with real relationships over years before they can go back and do Dark Phoenix right. LMAO they will never do Dark Phoenix. They made it clear they don’t want to cover old ground. Especially, with the info of the upcoming one sounds and looks pretty like the original story.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 26, 2018 0:01:58 GMT
That's pretty much the only ones I read. I certainly wouldn't touch anything they are putting out now. But this whole argument isn't fair since Fox is out of the picture and has been owned by Marvel in every way for years. Now we can look forward to real X-men as a team with Marvel instead of Fox's Logan saga. Too bad Fox is going to sully Dark Phoenix again before Marvel takes over. (unless they make one of their rare good movies) But in a way that could work out because Marvel will have to establish the team as real characters with real relationships over years before they can go back and do Dark Phoenix right. LMAO they will never do Dark Phoenix. They made it clear they don’t want to cover old ground. Especially, with the info of the upcoming sounds and looks pretty like the original story. Eh, the Dark Phoenix story is overrated anyways. It's remembered mainly because it's Jean Grey's ONLY major storyline.
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Post by harpospoke on Jan 26, 2018 0:02:46 GMT
That's pretty much the only ones I read. I certainly wouldn't touch anything they are putting out now. But this whole argument isn't fair since Fox is out of the picture and has been owned by Marvel in every way for years. Now we can look forward to real X-men as a team with Marvel instead of Fox's Logan saga. Too bad Fox is going to sully Dark Phoenix again before Marvel takes over. (unless they make one of their rare good movies) But in a way that could work out because Marvel will have to establish the team as real characters with real relationships over years before they can go back and do Dark Phoenix right. LMAO they will never do Dark Phoenix. They made it clear they don’t want to cover old ground. Especially, with the info of the upcoming sounds and looks pretty like the original story. I know it will be years. Some of us won't live to see it. There is no way it's "never". Especially when there is a clear need to do it right. Fox already epic failed with it once. Let's see if they can rise to "competent" with this one.
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