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Post by damngumby on Jul 24, 2019 0:57:27 GMT
Different actors playing the same character is certainly more of a "continuity" issue than the same actor playing two different characters.
In the first case, the character's appearance can change significantly between actors. Baring plastic surgery, there is no explanation for it. The audience just has to accept it. If the appearance difference is too extreme, continuity can be broken.
It the second case, there are plenty of unrelated people in the world who look similar. Change the appearance of the actor a little and, viola, a new character is born. No continuity problems, whatsoever.
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Post by damngumby on Jul 24, 2019 0:33:26 GMT
My theory, is that Steve reappeared in the main MCU time line at the exact second he disappeared from the pad. My reasoning is this: since his future had not yet occurred, then once he reached the exact time he left on his time mission his realities merged again. I think he lived out that entire alternate life and then made his way to that cabin and bench by the lake and sat down, maybe a minute before he originally left. Bucky, Sam, and Bruce didn't notice Steve popping back into their timeline because they were looking at the pad. Hmmm ... that actually makes sense. It sounds like the same mechanism that repairs a broken timeline when an infinity stone is returned to the moment in which it was removed.
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Post by damngumby on Jul 23, 2019 9:38:36 GMT
But, did he? If he lived, say, 50 years in the alternate timeline he created to be with Peggy Carter, wouldn't 50 years have also elapsed in the original timeline? The present day of the original timeline would have been 2073. But he appeared in 2023 as an old man. That means, per the rules, he re-entered the original timeline, in it's past ... What we were seeing, when he gave Falcon his shield, was an event that occurred in a brand new timeline. He could not have given the original Falcon the shield at that point in time of the original timeline because he and the shield were elsewhere. ... interesting No...the same amount of time doesn't pass in the first timeline. You can be in one timeline for days, weeks, years in one timeline and return to the other just a few seconds after you left. Was there any indication in the movie that time advanced at a more rapid rate in the alternate timelines? I don't recall.
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Post by damngumby on Jul 23, 2019 0:45:11 GMT
It was a critical and box office bomb. I know and that partly has nothing to do with the film’s own merit(it had some seriously misleading marketing). But I wanted to hear your opinion. One can quibble over a RT score +/- 10% percent or so, but 23% is clearly in the disaster category. Can you name a single halfway decent movie that received less than a 30%?
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Post by damngumby on Jul 23, 2019 0:36:02 GMT
Avengers Endgame & Spiderman Far from Home are the two obvious winners. Big time. Captain Marvel & Shazam are a step down, but still respectable movies. Dark Phoenix & Hellboy are clearly the worst of the worst. Utter disasters. Both should dominate the Razzies for 2019. How was Dark Phoenix a disaster? It was a critical and box office bomb.
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Post by damngumby on Jul 23, 2019 0:33:46 GMT
He traveled to the past in a different timeline, lived with Peggy (presumably), then returned to the present of his original timeline. I'm sure someone here won't understand this though... But, did he? If he lived, say, 50 years in the alternate timeline he created to be with Peggy Carter, wouldn't 50 years have also elapsed in the original timeline? The present day of the original timeline would have been 2073. But he appeared in 2023 as an old man. That means, per the rules, he re-entered the original timeline, in it's past ... What we were seeing, when he gave Falcon his shield, was an event that occurred in a brand new timeline. He could not have given the original Falcon the shield at that point in time of the original timeline because he and the shield were elsewhere. ... interesting
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Post by damngumby on Jul 22, 2019 21:30:31 GMT
We want our superheroes rough around the edges, conflicted, sometimes wrong, but ultimately they do the right thing, not because someone told them to do it, but because they know it is the right thing to do. You've just demonstrated why MCU's so-called "heroes" aren't true heroes and you've also demonstrated why so many MCU fans are incapable to understanding what a true hero is. Because you claim that Steve Rogers should be allowed to ignore democracy and do whatever he wants ad not respect the authority of the people because he knows he's doing the right thing. Well, in Vulture's point-of-view, he knew he was doing the right thing providing for his family. In Quentin Beck's point-of-view, he knew he was doing the right thing getting restitution for all the former Stark employees who were screwed over by Tony Stark. It comes as no surprise that you have difficulty differentiating between a hero and a villain unless the hero is a law abiding boy-scout and the villain is a variant of Dr. Evil. Most people outgrow that naiveté at some point in their childhood. What happened to you? You also must have slept through the Superhero 101 class ... where it is explained how today's superheroes are the modern incarnation of the Greek gods. Unbeholden to the rules of men. Rules that can be corrupted and exploited. "True" superheroes are better than that, even if their road to righteousness is a rocky one. Your perverted version of a superhero, with no moral compass of their own, would lead you to the guillotine if a "democratically" elected body demanded it. Besides, the vigilante law breaking superhero is common in the DC universe. After all, many DC superheroes still wear masks and harbor secret identities so they can avoid accountability for their crimes. The MCU has jettisoned the secret identity. MCU superheroes must answer for their mistakes and live with the consequences of their actions. Bruce Wayne and Clark Kent just throw on a pair of glasses and they are suddenly free of all responsibility. So, you're wrong. Again.
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Post by damngumby on Jul 22, 2019 1:59:21 GMT
Troll gets busted! The problem with being a dishonest troll is you have to keep track of all your lies. Just ask dcfan how difficult that can be!
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Post by damngumby on Jul 22, 2019 1:39:08 GMT
Basically, you admitted that Past Nebula read the memories of 2023 Nebula. That means Past Nebula access the memories of a Nebula that's about 3200 days in the future. If Past Nebula can access the memories of a Nebula 3200 days in the future, then there's no reason (at least none given in the movie) that Past Nebula can't access the memories of a Nebula 3300 days in the future since both points are just future points in time to past Nebula. 3200 Nebula is from the present day of the original timeline. There is no 3300 Nebula from the original timeline because 100 days into the future of that timeline does not exist. Now, conceivably, if the "original" timeline was itself a branched timeline of a prior timeline, unbeknownst to anyone, a 3300 Nebula could exist in that timeline. Of course, there is no guarantee that the events that unfolded in that timeline would be duplicated in the "original" timeline, so those memories would be pretty useless in any other timeline. And since there was no mention of a prior timeline in the movie, nor was there any mention of a prior timeline Nebula existing at a point in time chronologically ahead of the other timelines, it is safe to presume they do not exist. So, you're wrong on multiple counts. Again.
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Post by damngumby on Jul 22, 2019 1:13:44 GMT
That's because you're dead wrong. Superheroes, by their nature, transcend conventional law enforcement. They are the ultimate vigilantes. No one controls Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Captain America, Ironman ... etc. They follow their own code of justice. When it is good, they are heroes, when it turns bad, they become villains. Wrong again. The Justice League don't have their own justice system. Even the Justice League makes it's own decisions and acts on it's own accord when it deems it necessary. No one wants a bunch of neutered superheroes waiting for permission from the city council before springing into action. Christ, didn't you learn anything from The Incredibles? We want our superheroes rough around the edges, conflicted, sometimes wrong, but ultimately they do the right thing, not because someone told them to do it, but because they know it is the right thing to do. You want your superheroes straight out of the Saturday morning cartoons. Simplistic, one dimensional, duddly do rights. I'm sure there is a Saturday morning cartoon board around here somewhere ... where your childish views might be more accepted.
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Post by damngumby on Jul 22, 2019 0:49:34 GMT
This thread is for those who understand the temporal mechanics as described in the movie.
Synopsis of the MCU time travel rules.
1. You can not change the past. If you travel to the past and cause a disruption to past events, you do not create a time paradox, you spawn a new timeline. A unique timeline that will ultimately forge it's own path, mostly independent of the original timeline.
2. You can not travel into the future. The future of any given timeline has not occurred yet. You can not travel to a point in time that does not exist. However, you can travel to another timeline that is chronologically ahead of your own (if it exists). Since it is an independent timeline, the events you witness there may or may not eventually occur in your own timeline.
So, how do we explain an old Steve Rogers showing up at the end of Endgame?
I have an answer ... I'm just wondering if anyone else picked up on the ramifications of his appearance.
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Post by damngumby on Jul 22, 2019 0:20:13 GMT
No matter how often anyone corrects you, you never comprehend. BUCKY KILLED DOZENS OF PEOPLE UNDER MIND CONTROL. And no matter how often it's explained to you, you never comprehend. Bucky can argue his "brainwashing" defense in front of a jury. But STEVE ROGERS ISN'T ALLOWED TO APPOINT HIMSELF THE SOLE JUDGE AND JURY. ONLY TYRANTS DO THAT. That's because you're dead wrong. Superheroes, by their nature, transcend conventional law enforcement. They are the ultimate vigilantes. No one controls Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Captain America, Ironman ... etc. They follow their own code of justice. When it is good, they are heroes, when it turns bad, they become villains. No one wants a superhero who is just the muscle of the state. A brainless automaton who only does what he is instructed to do, bound by bureaucrats and lawyers. ... except, of course, you. Most people like superheroes because they possess the autonomy and the ability to take matters into their own hands and do what they think is right. Something we all wish we could do. You must like them because of the colorful costumes and action figures. ... because you've completely missed the point of what a superhero is.
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Post by damngumby on Jul 21, 2019 20:22:36 GMT
Nick Fury was a comic?
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Post by damngumby on Jul 21, 2019 19:37:33 GMT
They knew! They knew they were going to be outclassed and forfeited. Well, MCU ran away from Hall H the past couple of years. Now when MCU has Hall H all to themselves, the best they can come up with is Shang-Chi, Eternals, and a female Thor? LOL!!! And what, pray tell, was the MCU "running away" from? Over the last couple years we've seen the 1st superhero movie ever nominated for best Picture and a new all time box office champ. Both MCU movies. The competition (if you can even call it that) has been lightyears behind. ... and haven't you learned your lesson by now not to underestimate even the most obscure MCU property? Or do you enjoy being humiliated when your posts come back to haunt you?
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Post by damngumby on Jul 21, 2019 19:28:27 GMT
I need for help for wanting serious comic movies like they are in the books ok? Yes. You and this guy. 
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Post by damngumby on Jul 21, 2019 18:57:11 GMT
Considering Feige's incredible track record, he has certainly earned the benefit of the doubt. If he were to start producing dogs like BvS and Justice League, then we would have reason to question his decisions. Feige has produced almost 2 dozen dogs - basically the MCU. Critics, audiences and the box office disagree. Basically, everyone.  But hey, thanks for sharing your valueless opinion.
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Post by damngumby on Jul 21, 2019 18:02:24 GMT
Most MCU fans worship MCU Dictator Kevin Feige like he's Jesus so they think that every idea Feige has must be good and it's blasphemy to say otherwise. Considering Feige's incredible track record, he has certainly earned the benefit of the doubt. If he were to start producing dogs like BvS and Justice League, then we would have reason to question his decisions.
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Post by damngumby on Jul 21, 2019 17:51:41 GMT
The time travel plot too. I'm sure it must have gotten a big discussion on this board on how bad and contrived it was. Yep, the time travel made no sense at all in Endgame. Aside from the fact that that when past Thanos and his army traveled to 2023 and thus skipped over the events of Infinity War (which means that the events of Infinity War, such as the snap, should've never happened since Thanos and his army were no longer present in 2018 for those events), the final battle in 2023 shouldn't have happened because past Nebula has access to 2023 Nebula's memories so past Nebula would know that past Thanos would be defeated in 2023 by Iron Man and thus past Thanos would also know and wouldn't travel with his army to 2023 and instead just travel to 2018 and kill Tony Stark right after Strange gave Thanos the time stone. I'll explain this for the sake of thenolan. Dcfan has already demonstrated his inability to understand the temporal mechanics as described (with pictures, even!) and demonstrated in Endgame. In the Endgame (fictional) universe, you can not change the past. What happened, happened. If you go back in time, you create an alternate timeline that branches off from the original timeline. The alternate timeline begins as a duplicate of the original timeline except it now has it's own path to forge. Events can, and probably will, unfold differently in the new timeline. "Past Thanos" and his army was from an alternate timeline. They jumped time (and timelines) to get to 2023 of the original timeline. The events of the original Thanos in the original timeline still occurred. "Past Nebula" was also from the alternate timeline. She could access the original Nebula's memories. Memories are of events that have already occurred. In 2023 of the original timeline, the defeat of Thanos had yet to occur, therefore no memories. In the Endgame (fictional) universe, you can not travel to the future of a timeline. By definition, the future has yet to occur. "Past Thanos" could have traveled to the past of the original timeline and killed Tony Stark in 2018. However, all that would have done is create yet another branching timeline. The original timeline would have remained unchanged. The only way "past Thanos" could stop the "original" Avengers without creating another timeline was to travel to the present of the original timeline. dcfan's only rebuke to all this is that the characters in the movie were lying when they discussed time travel ... and all the things we saw, that conformed to the established time travel rules, were actually wrong ... because they did not follow the Back to the Future rules. We're all still laughing at this explanation of his.
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Post by damngumby on Jul 21, 2019 15:30:23 GMT
Portman is rather tiny to be a Thor. Mini-Thor?
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Post by damngumby on Jul 21, 2019 15:19:40 GMT
Transformers made billions not much of an accomplishment. On top that kinda a cheap tactic to re release a movie for 5 extra mins something that can be on a dvd Technically, if Avatar had never used this “cheap tactic” and re-released the film then Endgame would’ve passed it without a re-release. So let’s just discount both re-releases because we’re going to get the same result anyways. That is correct. Endgame already beat out Avatar's original release. This will be the 2nd time! And they didn't even need to spend six million dollars on deleted scenes to do it. They just added more theaters and the people came!
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