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Post by scabab on Feb 22, 2023 2:28:08 GMT
I don't think it was particularly hated but wasn't particularly liked either. It was just forgettable altogether.
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Post by scabab on Feb 22, 2023 1:47:44 GMT
I don't know. It could well be.
Ant-Man is off to a poor start critically and with audiences (I ain't seen it myself yet so dunno why). There's rumours about The Marvels and Blade having trouble, hopefully it's just that but you never know. Thunderbolts....could be good but the line up is very interesting isn't it.
Guardians of the Galaxy 3 looks good so long as they don't go overboard with the comedy as the second was probably pushed far enough. Captain America 4, who can say.
Then of course there's all these TV shows and I imagine Secret Invasion and Loki will be alright but then nobody needed Echo or Agatha.
Daredevil is a concern because the Netflix show was one of the best things to come from this whole MCU but apparently they're gonna make it more light hearted and that could really go badly. They really don't need to screw that up because people will be pissed if they give him the Thor treatment.
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Post by scabab on Feb 22, 2023 1:35:32 GMT
I think love is a strong word, but he's not wrong. Look at these scores: www.rottentomatoes.com/franchise/marvel_cinematic_universe. Christ, even the Eternals has a 77% fan rating. Phase 4 sucks talk only started in the last year. Before that it was more, "Not as good as the past stuff." Now the whole Phase has been painted with a broad stroke. Yeah but according to Web Archive the IMDb score for Eternals was the same before Thor 4 came out as it is now it's not like it decreased because of it. On Rotten Tomatoes it was at 78% just before Thor 4 so it's stayed the same. It's not particularly surprising it only started last year because 2021 wasn't so bad. Yeah people didn't much care for Black Widow or Eternals but liked Shang Chi and loved Spider-Man and the streaming shows were all generally well liked. It started afterwards because Doctor Strange 2 probably had too much unwarranted hype where people had these unrealistic expectations (probably because of Spider-Man) and it didn't deliver. Thor being one of the more anticipated movies and it being a huge disappointment. Black Panther 2 being anticipated and it's regarded as being a step down from the last one. Meanwhile the TV shows from 2022 were significantly worse than those from the year prior. Ms Marvel and She Hulk especially were not liked. Phase 4 only ran across 2021 and 2022 and last year what was the highlight? The phase is over with no Avengers movie, no Iron Man or Captain America, no debuting heroes that people really took too. It has gone downhill. It's true. Its not like there's conspiracy and people have just turned on it because it's cool now. It's still very popular but it's definitely weaker than it was for phase 3 because the movies haven't been very good.
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Post by scabab on Feb 21, 2023 1:44:02 GMT
This is one of those things where you gotta just wonder why?
A Penguin TV series? Since when was the Penguin, especially recent Colin Farrell Penguin popular enough to warrant him having a TV series?
Wanda and Vision, Falcon and Winter Soldier, Hawkeye sure. They're secondary characters in enormous billion dollar movies who maybe weren't quite popular enough to warrant their own movie.
But the Penguin? It's like them making this Agatha and Echo show. How much interest is there in such a thing?
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Post by scabab on Feb 21, 2023 1:37:53 GMT
Review bombings at IMDb has gotten worse in recent years. Yeah but that rarely happens. Out of the tens of thousands of movies on the site how many are subject to such a thing and even when it happens it doesn't always make up such a significant amount to make much of a factor in the score. You also get a lot of people that give everything a 10 blindly too. 33,000 people gave Black Widow a 10. It ain't no 10. Meanwhile 8,000 people gave it a 1 which it's not either but overall a 6.7...yeah that's about right. Hundreds of thousands of largely casuals movie fans vote on these things to get an average. To me it's a lot closer than a couple hundred snobby critics on RT.
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Post by scabab on Feb 20, 2023 21:08:47 GMT
You should remember that IMDb ratings are not exactly the most reliable thing to use. Out of everything I've always found IMDb to be the best metric of such a thing. Certainly more than RT because it's mostly just regular people, in the hundreds of thousands, who vote on these things.
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Post by scabab on Feb 20, 2023 21:07:06 GMT
They were singing it's praises when WandaVision, Falcon/Winter Soldier, Loki and Hawkeye came out. As well as Shang Chi and No Way Home. Falcon and the Winter Soldier didn't get that great a reception, I heard quite some mixed things about that. What If also to some extent with its portrayal of Thor. Otherwise the TV shows weren't too bad. Shang Chi was pretty good so that getting praise made sense but then the two movies either side of it, Black Widow and Eternals, didn't get a good reception either. It didn't start with Thor. It probably got worse with Thor but there'd been a turn even before it.
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Post by scabab on Feb 20, 2023 2:02:34 GMT
I don't think people really loved Phase 4 even before Thor 4. With that movie that made 4 of 6 movies to score under a 7.0 on IMDb. Now it's 6 out of 8 with Black Panther and Ant-Man.
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Post by scabab on Feb 19, 2023 12:16:26 GMT
Phase 1 did Hulk, Captain America, Iron Man 2 and you could say Thor maybe, that you could argue were all in the bottom 10 MCU movies.
But then it did have Iron Man and Avengers to boost that up.
I think what makes it better as a phase though was that all the individual movies each introduced a member of the team which ultimately concluded with Avengers so it all lead somewhere.
Phase 4 was all kinda jumbled though.
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Post by scabab on Feb 19, 2023 3:15:48 GMT
But DC has The Batman and Joker. They were critically acclaimed, and not phoney acclaim like the Black Panthers. They have but The Batman only came out a few months after fellow acclaimed Spider-Man No Way Home. The Joker was back in 2019 when Marvel was still doing well with Endgame. Those two aside, since The Joker there's been Birds of Prey, Wonder Woman 1984, The Suicide Squad and Black Adam. Not exactly a successful crop of films, the only one that reviewed well was The Suicide Squad which hardly made anything. Then they did that Batgirl which was meant to be that bad it never even saw the light of day. The Flash does look good but how much anticipation is there for Shazam? Both seem to be in a slump but DC has had to start all over again.
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Post by scabab on Feb 18, 2023 23:36:04 GMT
I probably would say it was the worst. That there was no Avengers movie included in it is notable enough.
If you go by the movies I'd say the Spider-Man movie was the only one that was really good amongst them all.
Black Widow, Eternals and Thor 4 were alright at best. Doctor Strange 2 and Black Panther 2 were good at best. Shang Chi was quite good to be fair I thought but yeah if it wasn't for Sony's movie it wouldn't be so good.
Then of course you've got all the shows now which I initially thought could be a good thing because it was going to give time to characters who maybe weren't movie level. I actually liked WandaVision, Falcon and Loki. Didn't love them but they were good enough.
But last year I didn't like any of them, didn't think much of Moon Knight, Ms Marvel or She Hulk.
I think what's not helped is for one probably the TV series or at least they're doing too many of them now and also because it's been confusing as to where exactly it was all going.
It was always quite clear what they were leading up to before even years in advance but it was a bit more hard to grasp this time because a few more of the movies and shows were just doing its own thing.
I think the loss of Iron Man and Captain America as well has caused a bit of a blow too.
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Post by scabab on Feb 18, 2023 19:08:10 GMT
I'd say it would be better off but by how much who could say.
Justice League just wasn't a good movie to begin with but by taking out Darkseid and other things it meant there was nothing really for people to care about going forward.
Had they released ZL Justice League then it would have been received better but they couldn't have released a four hour movie like that in theatres to begin with so things would still have had to have been cut but I think overall it would have brought in a lot more interest in a sequel and what was to come.
Obviously a Ben Affleck Batman movie would have given the chance for the DCEU to expand and keep the ball possibly rolling.
Because as it has been, forgetting ZL Justice League entirely, the overarching main storyline of the DCEU was told through Man of Steel, Batman vs Superman and Justice League as a trilogy and then it just ended. All the DCEU movies since have really just been their own thing.
I think the potential for the DCEU died with that original Justice League.
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Post by scabab on Feb 18, 2023 18:55:35 GMT
No not yet. The MCU I would say is at something of a low point the past couple years, I can see it being considered the worst phase out of the four in the long run but DC is that bad off that the whole DCEU looks to be coming to an end. Black Adam didn't fair very well itself.
The Flash looks good and it could be better than any of the MCU movies this year but overall DC is in a mess.
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Post by scabab on Feb 18, 2023 18:49:34 GMT
Oh thank you everyone.
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Post by scabab on Feb 13, 2023 0:12:22 GMT
Looks really good. Couldn't care less what Miller has done, he can be as weird as can be but I'd still enjoy the movie.
Great to see Keaton back. Shame they couldn't have got Christian Bale as Batman in there somehow.
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Post by scabab on Feb 13, 2023 0:06:50 GMT
The only character who could have replaced Iron Man as the MCU leading man is Captain America and he went out in the same movie.
Aside from him there's nobody who could replace him. The only character who would make sense from a character perspective would be someone like Captain Marvel and she's not exactly very well liked.
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Post by scabab on Feb 1, 2023 0:59:35 GMT
Yeah sounds like the movie was going to be a disaster that if it had released would have only bombed anyway. Probably better off cancelling the entire thing so as to save on marketing costs and avoid giving DC another Catwoman for people to look down on.
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Post by scabab on Feb 1, 2023 0:55:31 GMT
So they are doing TWO Batman series at once? Well even more confusing still is we now have a "The Batman" series where the new Joker is likely to appear in the sequel. A DCU series of Batman which will almost certainly one day have its own Joker. And then of course they're still making a sequel to the 2019 Joker which comes out in 2024 and could continue as a series itself.
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Post by scabab on Feb 1, 2023 0:49:18 GMT
Everything we’ve heard about the DCU so far sounds like an unwieldy and confusing mess that’s only going to exacerbate the feeling of superhero fatigue. And why exactly do we need video games and cartoons set in the DCU? I definitely agree with this. I myself who by all means should be a lot more familiar with such things than the average cinema goer...still doesn't really get what's going on. So this isn't a complete full on reset is it? I think they said as much. Isn't The Flash movie going to practically end the DCEU and then start the DCU? But then of course there's still two other movies coming out after The Flash. They've also announced Waller which is supposed to be a spin off of Peacemaker so things like that is a part of it but not other things? They've said some characters are going to be recast but then others not? Are they picking and choosing what counts and what doesn't count toward the DCU? I mean if they were going to do this I'd rather the whole thing have ended with The Flash resetting everything back to zero so it could all start completely fresh. And I certainly don't want no cartoons, games or TV shows to be a part of it. Just a simple straightforward set of movies is all I'd have wanted.
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Post by scabab on Feb 1, 2023 0:39:35 GMT
Which? The angry Hulk Smash version of the character? Yes, there's a reason why the comics keep changing him out of that characterization as often as he's put back into it. Probably because it gets old after 60 years of monthly comics. It ain't really such an issue in a series of movies that come out every 3 or 4 years where Hulk is a supporting character at that. Outside of a one minute fight with Thanos at the start of Infinity War, Hulk hasn't really been involved with the action since 2017 by now. People don't really want to see Hulk fiddle around with buttons on a computer yapping.
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