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Post by scabab on Mar 14, 2023 23:41:47 GMT
Yeah the teaching a robot how to high five while an apocalypse is around the corner intellectual stuff. Nobody said that was intellectual. A movie also doesn't need to be intellectual for it to be good. Terminator 2 was a summer blockbuster not a Oscar bait movie.
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Post by scabab on Mar 14, 2023 23:36:19 GMT
And yet Shang-Chi still got hit with the "Oh he's too obscure, oh he's just Asian pandering, oh the actor isn't well known" nonsense. Well he is obscure and the actor wasn't well known. There's also a very high chance they did make the movie because they did want to have an Asian lead for one of their movies so it is true. But none of this was remotely widespread to any significant degree. The movie never had any backlash of any worth.
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Post by scabab on Mar 14, 2023 20:42:03 GMT
No MCU movie is as good as Aliens or Terminator 2. Not even close.
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Post by scabab on Mar 14, 2023 20:38:30 GMT
To me they were like the MCU, some were good, some were great and then some were worse.
As far as the X-Men movies went they were on the downhill trajectory after DOFP.
They had a good run but it's probably good it'll get a fresh start. The Fox movies had a certain time that it would have made it hard for certain storylines and characters to work.
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Post by scabab on Mar 14, 2023 20:34:16 GMT
And no one had heard of Shang Chi before 2021. There were complaints about him being too obscure, about it being "Asian Pandering", about how he had no place in the MCU, the usual nonsense. That wouldn't have mattered by then. It was only a thing for Guardians of the Galaxy because there hadn't really been any superhero movie of such a scale made about such unknown superheroes. By the time Shang Chi rolled around nobody was saying such things as plenty of obscure characters had found success for Marvel and even DC because of Suicide Squad. Anything like that would have been extremely minor and is always going to happen to some extent. But again wouldn't make for any significant amount. In general the movie received a lesser score because the movie just simply was not as good. The protagonist, the antagonist, the story, the humour etc was just worse. That was all there was to it, it just wasn't considered to be a great film like some others have.
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Post by scabab on Mar 10, 2023 23:10:09 GMT
Being untested is practically everything these days, have you forgotten how everyone was doom-mongering over GOTG in 2014 and how they were so sure it would bomb royally? Very different scenario as Guardians of the Galaxy was the first of its kind like that for the MCU. Prior to that people knew of Iron Man, Captain America, Hulk and Thor, nobody had ever heard of the GotG. That got doubled down further because it was the movie about the talking tree and racoon so of course people had doubts. Then they had doubts with Ant-Man. By the time Shang Chi came out nobody had such doubts because everything the MCU had done had struck gold from Dr Strange to Captain Marvel. It had nowhere that kind of treatment and any concern of it flopping would largely just be because of covid. Well that's perfectly fine, none of that really changes that the show was well loved. At no point, has Daredevil ever not been a well loved show overall. The only live action show that can compete with it is apparently the also well loved The Punisher Netflix show. Personally I didn't think that much of that show but it's the only show up there with it. It's also not as good as the original which is why it got the inferior score.
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Post by scabab on Mar 10, 2023 0:54:31 GMT
Negative Buzz, it was a new untested character for the movies and came out during a time where there was a surge in Asiaphobia in the West. Plus Simu Liu made comments that naturally got twisted by pundits that turned people against him. Being untested is nothing, there's been many new characters in the MCU or DC and don't get negative buzz for it. Any comments weren't wide spread, the casual cinema goer isn't going to know or even care. This new Peter Pan and Wendy has negative buzz. She Hulk had negative buzz. Captain Marvel had negative buzz. Shang Chi never had any substantial negative buzz. But again Web Archive shows that isn't true because Daredevil had a 8.8 score in January 2016 before season 2 came out. It went down with subsequent seasons to the current 8.6. In the end it doesn't even matter, the show was well loved since season 1, whether it became slightly more or less loved over time is besides the point because even after its first season it was always far more well liked than any of these MCU shows. A mere 6.6% of votes for Ms Marvel are 2's and 3's. It's only 4% for Wakanda Forever. That's trivial even if it were the case and people don't really review bomb and then give it a 3. Again this also is besides the point because you can clearly see for Wakanda Forever that 7/10 is the most given score with 6 and 8 either side of it in almost equal part. That does make for a well loved movie or it would skew much higher. When you compare that to The Batman which was considered the best superhero movie last year its most given score is an 8/10 with 9 and 10 close afterwards. So it's easy to see past this review bombing and that people weren't over keen on it especially when the first Black Panther was subject to this issue as well but it has mostly 8/10 with 7/10 straight behind because it was the more well liked movie.
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Post by scabab on Mar 9, 2023 20:25:16 GMT
With all the negative buzz Shang Chi had around it beforehand, it is a loved movie. In fact going forward, fans will look back at it and appreciate it even more. So it's loved less for its plot, more its violence? That doesn't speak well. But you can't just ignore all the review bombing and negative buzz those projects had ahead of time, especially compared to the Zero Negative Buzz Daredevil had going in. Plus DD's score for the entire series and not just S1. All what negative buzz? I never saw no negative buzz for Shang Chi. I saw it for Captain Marvel but people seemed full of enthusiasm for it in all the trailers I saw. Nothing even comes up for such a thing on Google. How do you get that from what I said? The hallway fight scene wasn't even violent. I said it was a scene from episode 2 that was very popular. It was one of the higher rated episodes and it was a well liked show from the start, it wasn't something that just happened later on because the episodes were equally good throughout. Of course you can because that's a whole separate matter. People who review bomb are only gonna give it a 1/10. Ignore those and you can see what most the votes are going towards which is 6 and 7's whereas for Avengers and Guardians it was 8's and 9's. Why would this be surprising? It's extremely obviously that none of the MCU movies from Phase 4 except for Spider-Man are well loved. For what reasons they are loved is its own thing but otherwise none of have been particularly well liked to a Civil War, Thor Ragnarok, Infinity War degree.
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Post by scabab on Mar 9, 2023 12:49:54 GMT
Yes, meaning it was more the precedent it set rather than the plot. Shang Chi in a lesser way set a new precedent for Asian Superheroes. It doesn't matter, almost none of these MCU movies at highly regarded because of their plot. The Avengers was praised for its characters, it's humour and it's action, that's what made it well loved from the beginning. Shang Chi was never well loved. It was considered a good movie and that's it. The entire season came out the same day. The scores for individual episodes are consistent throughout the season. If any episode made the show well loved it was the second episode because it had that famous hallway fight. Yeah but as I said if you just click the votes and see the breakdown then you can see that people only consider it a 6 or 7 anyway. If you do the same for Avengers or Guardians of the Galaxy and ignore the 1's and 10's you can most people give it an 8 or 9. Same for Daredevil half the votes are for a 8 or 9, 84% of the votes are 8 to 10. Whereas Ms Marvel has 13.7% for a 7 and 12.2% for a 6. It's obviously not remotely as well liked as Daredevil. The only one that could even make a run at that is Loki.
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Post by scabab on Mar 8, 2023 18:46:57 GMT
Avengers is more about the precedent it set than the plot itself, and Shang Chi did really well considering all the doom and gloom surrounding it. As time goes on, it will likely be remembered even more as a great CBM. Daredevil became beloved as it went on and the other MCU Netflix shows fell apart in comparison, it didn't start out that way. That IMDB score is from after all 3 seasons. Those IMDB scores are juked for Ms Marvel and Wakanda Forever, the review bombing scandals remember? People never really bigged up the plot of The Avengers to begin with. That wasn't really the reason it was well liked and it wouldn't matter anyway. It has always been a well loved movie that Shang Chi and Wakanda Forever can't compare to. Daredevil was well loved from the beginning. It wasn't something that happened gradually over time, if anything the second season was considered inferior. If you go on Web archive, at the start of 2015 prior to the second season being released it has a 8.8 with near 150,000 votes so if anything it only went down over time. I don't know much about the review bombings but all you have to do it click on these scores and ignore the 1's and you can see Ms Marvel trends around a 6-7. Wakanda Forever around a 7, it only has 5% for 1/10.
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Post by scabab on Mar 8, 2023 1:50:06 GMT
Too very good movies, and yes the fan reception was rather comparable. Avengers is more appreciated for the precedent it set rather than how good the movie is. Same with Guardians. Well liked for the Gutless reasons. Er, they very much were. WandaVision was loved as much as DDS1 was. Same with Falcon/Winter Soldier and Loki. Come off it you know full well Shang Chi ain't nearly as well loved as Avengers or Guardians of the Galaxy, they're never gonna be regarded as some of the best superhero movies of all time like the others were. Those movies were extremely well liked from the very start. Same with the TV shows, Daredevil is beloved to a whole other level entirely. It's practically regarded as the best live action superhero TV show around. These phase 4 shows are more on the level of the rest of those Netflix shows. IMDb The Avengers - 8.0 Guardians of the Galaxy - 8.0 Iron Man - 7.9 Winter Soldier - 7.8 Shang Chi - 7.4 Wakanda Forever - 6.8 Daredevil - 8.6 Loki - 8.2 Wandavision - 7.9 Falcon and Winter Soldier - 7.2 Ms Marvel - 6.2 The only thing up there is that Spider-Man with an 8.2. None of the other movies were well loved. Shang Chi has been the best Disney MCU movie between Endgame and now and that's no Iron Man. Loki and maybe WandaVision to a lesser extent as far as TV shows go and that's it.
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Post by scabab on Mar 7, 2023 23:48:13 GMT
Shang Chi, Wakanda Forever, WandaVision, Falcon/Winter Solider, Werewolf by Night, Loki, Ms Marvel, Guardians Holiday Special, all of these are well received and well loved things. That only includes two movies and neither of which had any sort of fan reception like those four movies I mentioned. Iron Man, Avengers, Winter Soldier and Guardians of the Galaxy were all hugely well liked and considered amongst the best superhero movies around at the time. The only movie anywhere remotely consider up there on that level amongst viewers is Spider-Man. You may not be so keen on it but the movie was clearly very well liked. The shows too, not an apples to apples comparison but none well that well loved either. Daredevil, that was a show that was well loved. None of these MCU shows have been liked to that extent.
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Post by scabab on Mar 7, 2023 12:47:57 GMT
Yeah I love those Batman Arkham games but from what I've seen of Suicide Squad....a live service game playing as B if not C Listers jumping around shooting glowing shit. Not for me.
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Post by scabab on Mar 7, 2023 12:45:46 GMT
Well all the Ant-Man movies were mediocre, lots of Phases 1 and 2 were really. Yeah but it did also have Iron Man, Avengers, Winter Soldier and Guardians of the Galaxy that were very well received and well loved movies to balance that out. The only movie up there with those movies since Endgame has been No Way Home which wasn't made by Disney.
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Post by scabab on Mar 5, 2023 23:08:57 GMT
I think it's because Ant-Man 3 had more notable hype than the other two.
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Post by scabab on Mar 5, 2023 2:15:28 GMT
Nah, the "fans" were loving Phase 4 until Love and Thunder came out. Loving what? Black Widow was liked at a push. Shang Chi was liked but it wasn't exactly loved it was no Guardians of the Guardians. Eternals wasn't liked. Doctor Strange didn't seem to be any more well liked than Black Widow. Spider-Man was the only one that was loved. They had it better with the TV shows, WandaVision, Loki and Hawkeye were popular enough but then people had problems with Falcon and Winter Soldier and What If. Moon Knight certainly wasn't loved and Ms Marvel which came out prior to Thor was the least liked of them all. It's been a very mixed bag since Endgame.
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Post by scabab on Mar 5, 2023 1:58:00 GMT
Ant-Man is actually not doing good at all, it had a great opening but since then it's fallen off the cliff even worse than Batman Vs Superman did and that had a lot more room to drop. From what I'm hearing on the box office forum except for Eternals it's going to be one the least ticket selling MCU movie so far and Eternals did come out when Covid still played a part.
They're saying it might not even make $500 million worldwide which would make it the least successful of the three and it had a huge budget as well.
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Post by scabab on Mar 4, 2023 1:02:37 GMT
I really liked it. There's nine of these movies now and they're about boxing so keeping them fresh is sort of difficult but I think they got away with that enough thanks to Majors character, it's the most emphasis they've ever put on an antagonists character before. Usually they are just there to be an obstacle so that's different.
Was hoping for more Viktor Drago though and they could have at least explained why Rocky was missing.
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Post by scabab on Feb 27, 2023 13:31:30 GMT
Who knows, maybe the costumes will be more interesting. Just hopefully they don't make then either too comedic or political.
Either way, it needed a fresh start. The Fox X-Men series was long played out.
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Post by scabab on Feb 22, 2023 17:50:41 GMT
The audiences scores for those movies on RT 91% and 77% respectively. Hell, Thor 4 has a 77% fan rating, which shocked me. I personally hated Thor 4, but there's an audience for it apparently. Full disclosure, I think Spiderman 4 is overrated as shit. I didn't hate it, but I wasn't gaga over it like a lot of people. Point is people have been very "what have you done for me lately." My point is not Phase 4 is great. Dr. Strange didn't deliver?! When did that memo go out? I missed that one. I think it's easily the best Phase 4 movie and judging by it's 85% fan score, a lot of other people liked it too. I'm just going off of IMDb, I don't think RT is such a good measure for such a thing as it boils down to liking it or not. I liked Black Widow more than I disliked it but I wouldn't have given it a 7. IMDb at least you get an average score and it pulls from a much larger number. Black Widow has a 6.7 and Eternals a 6.3. It's not exactly good. Doctor Strange 2 a 6.9, it's decent but that's about it, the same as Iron Man 2 which was regarded one of the weaker ones once upon a time.
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