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Post by Groovy Rachel on Dec 9, 2019 15:09:09 GMT
If the two worlds collide and the Galactic Empire led by Emperor Sidious and Darth Vader where to invade the MCU Earth (no Death Star though that's unfair) could the Avengers drive them off?
Could Captain America stand up to the likes of Darth Vader?
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Dec 9, 2019 15:51:48 GMT
Which Avengers lineup?
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Post by Groovy Rachel on Dec 9, 2019 16:11:05 GMT
Well not just the small handful of Avengers.
At the end of Endgame when everyone came through the portals, the Avengers, Doctor Strange, Captain Marvel, Black Panther but then all the Wakandan Army and the Asgardians etc.
In the same position except instead of Thanos and his army and his giant spaceship it would instead be the Emperor, Darth Vader, all the Stormtroopers and other troopers and the Star Destroyers, Tie Fighters, AT Walkers etc.
No Infinity Gauntlet involved though.
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Post by sostie on Dec 9, 2019 16:24:57 GMT
If the two worlds collide and the Galactic Empire led by Emperor Sidious and Darth Vader where to invade the MCU Earth (no Death Star though that's unfair) could the Avengers drive them off? Could Captain America stand up to the likes of Darth Vader? Scarlet Witch take out Darth...Captain Marvel the ships..the rest the stragglers. Hulk & Giant Man vs AT-AT...Avengers win
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Dec 9, 2019 16:38:05 GMT
Avengers, no contest. If you were limiting it to the cast of Avengers (2012), it could've been tough. By the time you get to Age of Ultron it's over, let alone the characters and armies coming out of the portals in Endgame.
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Post by politicidal on Dec 9, 2019 17:41:37 GMT
It'd take a trilogy just for the spectacle but sure, probably.
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Post by poutinep on Dec 9, 2019 22:02:08 GMT
Avengers, easy.
Honestly I don't see Vader...or any force user...as being more powerful than Strange/Wanda/Danvers. I wouldn't be surprised if the average sorcerer could take Vader, and we saw hundreds of them in Endgame.
Who is the most powerful force user we've seen? Yoda? Wow he can lift an X-Wing out of a swamp very slowly. We've seen Wanda and Danvers destroy enormous vehicles with easy.
Hell Lang alone could probably just stomp Vader like an....ant. What could Vader do against Giant-Man? Sure he has telekinesis, but we haven't seen any kind of large scale demonstration
Ravagers/Asgardians/Danvers should be plenty to take on the Empire's space fleet. Wanda/Strange/other sorcerers could help if they have a way to survive being in space...
Danvers could destroy the Death Star without breaking a sweat.
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Post by scabab on Dec 9, 2019 23:52:04 GMT
I'm not too sure. They had their hands full with Thanos and his army and that would be tiny compared to the entire Empire.
There was like the one big ship that Thanos had? Whereas you'd be talking all the Star Destroyers and other ships, all the Walkers and mini walkers? It wouldn't be Darth Vader and the Emperor that would be the problem.
Half of the Avengers and the Wakanda army were struggling against that huge Ravager horde and they were just dumb, unharmed groundless beasts.
If it was just them they'd stand no chance against the Empire. When you out in the others...no I still think that'd be way too many to handle.
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Post by scabab on Dec 10, 2019 0:01:23 GMT
Who is the most powerful force user we've seen? Yoda? Wow he can lift an X-Wing out of a swamp very slowly. We've seen Wanda and Danvers destroy enormous vehicles with easy. Well Yoda was a year off from dying of old age at that point. Rey lifted a ton of boulders in The Last Jedi so that was more impressive and by Jedi standards she's not the best or anything. I think they're supposed to be much more powerful and capable than what the movies have showed them to be. I don't know if that's because of a limit in technology and budget. I remember this video of Mace Windu where he showed a level of power that was never shown in the movies. And in one of the Force Unleashed games the main character brought a Star Destroyer crashing to the ground.
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Post by thenolan on Dec 10, 2019 5:50:10 GMT
Star Wars has the Force. its basically a religious super power beyond avengers super hero stuff. But who actually cares, star wars has a more interesting story concept than avengers
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Post by hobowar on Dec 10, 2019 5:58:05 GMT
Star Wars has the Force. its basically a religious super power beyond avengers super hero stuff. But who actually cares, star wars has a more interesting story concept than avengers Captain America would master the force mere moments after learning of its existence.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Dec 10, 2019 13:36:56 GMT
I'm not too sure. They had their hands full with Thanos and his army and that would be tiny compared to the entire Empire. There was like the one big ship that Thanos had? Whereas you'd be talking all the Star Destroyers and other ships, all the Walkers and mini walkers? It wouldn't be Darth Vader and the Emperor that would be the problem. Half of the Avengers and the Wakanda army were struggling against that huge Ravager horde and they were just dumb, unharmed groundless beasts. If it was just them they'd stand no chance against the Empire. When you out in the others...no I still think that'd be way too many to handle. Vision by himself could take out the empire... though technically he wouldn't be present in this battle since he wasn't a part of the portal army. Thanos, the Black Order and the Ravager horde are stronger than anything we've seen the empire unleash outside of the Death Star itself. (And for the record, the death star couldn't target a person, several of which could fly to the core and destroy the station.) You seriously think AT-ATs can go toe to toe with Captain Marvel, Thor, the Hulk? Hell, Wong could just teleport them to the bottom of the ocean.
Let's say you have a blaster, let alone superpowers. Do you like your odds against ten stormtroopers or ten ravagers? Let me put that another way. Do you like your odds in a street fight with the average man, or a rabid bear? I mean come on. Are you just stirring the pot here?
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Post by scabab on Dec 10, 2019 15:30:02 GMT
You seriously think AT-ATs can go toe to toe with Captain Marvel, Thor, the Hulk? Hell, Wong could just teleport them to the bottom of the ocean. No but they can with many other characters. Remember Giant Man simply stepped on Cull Obsidian and killed him and he was practically a Hulk level character. A Walker is even bigger than that. It wouldn't be that they couldn't something like that but the thread is talking about the entirety of the Empire at once. According to this starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Imperial-class_Star_DestroyerThere were 25,000 Star Destroyers. How many good guys participated in the Endgame final battle? A thousand or two? So 12-25 Star Destroyers for every one good guy? On the same link it says there's about 72 Tie Fighters on each Star Destroyer so 1.8 million of them. There's 9,700 Stormtroopers on each Star Destroyer so that's 24 million of them. Plus probably tens of thousands of Walkers, Chicken Walkers and the Super Star Destroyer amongst a lot of other stuff. The Avengers and their army couldn't stand up to all that. They'd nuke the whole area they were standing on with billions of laser blasts from the sky. The Ravagers. I couldn't kill ten trained soldiers. I could probably kill a few Ravagers before they ran over to me though.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Dec 10, 2019 16:01:10 GMT
You seriously think AT-ATs can go toe to toe with Captain Marvel, Thor, the Hulk? Hell, Wong could just teleport them to the bottom of the ocean. No but they can with many other characters. Remember Giant Man simply stepped on Cull Obsidian and killed him and he was practically a Hulk level character. A Walker is even bigger than that. It wouldn't be that they couldn't something like that but the thread is talking about the entirety of the Empire at once. According to this starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Imperial-class_Star_DestroyerThere were 25,000 Star Destroyers. How many good guys participated in the Endgame final battle? A thousand or two? So 12-25 Star Destroyers for every one good guy? On the same link it says there's about 72 Tie Fighters on each Star Destroyer so 1.8 million of them. There's 9,700 Stormtroopers on each Star Destroyer so that's 24 million of them. Plus probably tens of thousands of Walkers, Chicken Walkers and the Super Star Destroyer amongst a lot of other stuff. The Avengers and their army couldn't stand up to all that. They'd nuke the whole area they were standing on with billions of laser blasts from the sky. The Ravagers. I couldn't kill ten trained soldiers. I could probably kill a few Ravagers before they ran over to me though. It doesn't matter how many stormtroopers are on every star destroyer because they'd all die at once when the ship was destroyed by Captain Marvel. You're also using fluctuating power levels depicted in the films against the heroes. Do you really think Ant-Man would kill Hulk if he stepped on him? If I wanted to play that game, I'd have the heroes charge the empire head on because the bad guys never seem to be able to hit the main characters in a battle. I wouldn't even use the entire hero army. Thor, Iron Man, War Machine, Hulk, Wanda, Doctor Strange and Captain Marvel should do it. If I wanted to watch something fun I'd unleash the Guardians, Cap and Black Panther on whatever ground troops you wanted to throw out there. Otherwise I'd ignore them and have the heroes mop them up after the vehicles were all destroyed. Are the thousands of walkers going to be in range of the heroes at the same time? (Hint: no, it isn't possible.) Does it matter how many tie fighters are inside a star destroyer when it blows up? Do you even think tie fighters would have any effect at all on CM? How about I have sorcerers teleport Asgardians, Wakandans or just the Avengers themselves onto the bridge of each star destroyer, one by one or better yet, ten by ten. The battle would be decided inside of an hour. Can't decide if you're joking or just arguing for the sake of defending your point of view. Ten guys or ten bears and you'd rather face the bears. Again, if you're going to use Cull Obsidian being stepped on as an argument, you also have to take into consideration that stormtroopers are cannon fodder that can't hit the broadside of a barn (as depicted in the films). Mindless beasts with no regard for their own safety barreling toward you awkwardly or ten imbeciles who aren't entirely sure how to operate their blasters. I think you'd kill more stormtroopers than ravagers. And I know the Avengers would.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Dec 10, 2019 16:06:11 GMT
Yes if the writers of the movie decided that they should stop the Galactic empire.
People seem to forget that its the writers who decide who will win and lose and not the characters in the movie
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Dec 10, 2019 16:49:45 GMT
Yes if the writers of the movie decided that they should stop the Galactic empire. People seem to forget that its the writers who decide who will win and lose and not the characters in the movie Ah yes, I had forgotten these were fictional characters.
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Post by scabab on Dec 10, 2019 16:58:13 GMT
It doesn't matter how many stormtroopers are on every star destroyer because they'd all die at once when the ship was destroyed by Captain Marvel. Well that'd be if they were still on the ship, I was talking as though the Stormtroopers were on the battlefield. Captain Marvel destroying one ship, one that is small in comparison anyway doesn't have much say against 25,000 larger ones. By the time she was destroying them individually the rest would be killing everyone below. I don't know, maybe. Hulk was knocked out by the Hulkbuster, he's not that invincible. Cull Obsidian was physically a match for the Hulkbuster so they're all in the same league. With what? Iron Man and War Machine don't have the fire power of a Star Destroyer. What's Scarlet Witch going to do? She threw a few chunks of debris at Thanos and ripped some of his army off, could she even bring down a Star Destroyer? Would it matter considering she's a glass cannon and would just be shot and killed anyway? The Hulk can't do anything, he can't even get up there and wouldn't be able to bring something that size down unless he was inside and even then that would only be one. Don't recall Doctor Strange doing much to be able to fend off from an assault of tens of thousands of ships. Thor and Captain Marvel are probably the only ones that could bring them down but there's that many that by the time they take out one the others have destroyed everything else around. There's too few of them though to make a difference. A hundred or so sorcerers to tens of thousands of ships. They also never did such a thing with Thanos' ship so it's probably not even possible. If you had a shotgun and you had to go up against ten other men with shotguns or ten bears then why wouldn't you pick the bears?
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Post by kratos on Dec 10, 2019 17:22:42 GMT
Wanda was taken out by Hawkeye and War Machine, what's she gonna do against Darth Vader? He'd slice her in two.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Dec 10, 2019 17:44:49 GMT
It doesn't matter how many stormtroopers are on every star destroyer because they'd all die at once when the ship was destroyed by Captain Marvel. Well that'd be if they were still on the ship, I was talking as though the Stormtroopers were on the battlefield. Captain Marvel destroying one ship, one that is small in comparison anyway doesn't have much say against 25,000 larger ones. By the time she was destroying them individually the rest would be killing everyone below. I don't know, maybe. Hulk was knocked out by the Hulkbuster, he's not that invincible. Cull Obsidian was physically a match for the Hulkbuster so they're all in the same league. With what? Iron Man and War Machine don't have the fire power of a Star Destroyer. What's Scarlet Witch going to do? She threw a few chunks of debris at Thanos and ripped some of his army off, could she even bring down a Star Destroyer? Would it matter considering she's a glass cannon and would just be shot and killed anyway? The Hulk can't do anything, he can't even get up there and wouldn't be able to bring something that size down unless he was inside and even then that would only be one. Don't recall Doctor Strange doing much to be able to fend off from an assault of tens of thousands of ships. Thor and Captain Marvel are probably the only ones that could bring them down but there's that many that by the time they take out one the others have destroyed everything else around. There's too few of them though to make a difference. A hundred or so sorcerers to tens of thousands of ships. They also never did such a thing with Thanos' ship so it's probably not even possible. If you had a shotgun and you had to go up against ten other men with shotguns or ten bears then why wouldn't you pick the bears? Your arguments are nonsensical. How would you stop the sorcerers from traveling ship to ship and wiping them out? Who cares how many stormtroopers are on the ground when the battle is in space? Iron Man and War Machine have the firepower to kill everyone on the bridge of a Star Destroyer in minutes, if not seconds. No bridge crew, no ship. Who would the ship be "killing below?" I already said I wouldn't use the army, I'd send the strongest fighters in my stable straight into the belly of the beast and destroy it from within. There is no battlefield here. There's nothing for anyone to shoot at or overwhelm with sheer numbers. Just Star Destroyers going dark (or getting turned against the Empire!) one by one, ten by ten until there were none left. Personally I'd go for the Super Star Destroyers first. The bridge crew killed, the bridge itself destroyed, or the ship commandeered by Star-Lord and Rocket. Captain Marvel, Wanda, Thor, Iron Man and War Machine demolishing the ship from within. Targeting life support, armaments, crucial navigation. Not sure who is shooting at them while they're doing this, especially if it's happening in multiple ships at once and some of the Star Destroyers even start firing at other Imperial vessels. You seem to think one side only wins when every enemy soldier is killed. You know that's not how war works, right? Strategic targets. Retreat is their only hope of salvation, there's zero chance the empire wins this battle. Why, because it destroys your argument? There's no reason they couldn't do it. They should've done it, but it wouldn't have been great cinema. As it is they didn't need to, Captain Marvel took it out with one shot. I wonder how long the battle would've been if she had been there at the beginning?
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Dec 10, 2019 17:51:49 GMT
Wanda was taken out by Hawkeye and War Machine, what's she gonna do against Darth Vader? He'd slice her in two. Wanda is Darth Vader. Wanda unleashed was overpowering Thanos to the point that he called an air strike, sacrificing his own men to save his own skin.
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