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Post by DC-Fan on Jan 3, 2018 7:24:48 GMT
Killmonger character bio"Erik Stevens was an American black-ops soldier who earned the nickname "Killmonger" while in the field. However, after disappearing off the grid, he has reemerged with a plan that threatens to put Black Panther and all of Wakanda at risk. Using his charisma, considerable skills in combat and his surprising knowledge of Wakandan customs, Erik Killmonger is a dangerous threat to all that T'Challa holds dear."Now before MCU fans here attack me like they always do, let me point that I didn't say MCU fans hate American soldiers. I'm just going by MCU's official character description and pointing out that the villain of Black Panther is an American soldier. So don't attack me just because Kevin Feige likes to make American soldiers (e.g. General Ross and Emil Blonsky in The Incredible Hulk, Bucky Barnes in Captain America: The Winter Soldier, Steve Rogers in Captain America: Civil War and Killmonger in Black Panther) the bad guys in MCU movies.
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Jan 3, 2018 7:31:15 GMT
Lol then what is the purpose of this stupid thread if it’s not about saying MCU hates American soldiers?
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jan 3, 2018 8:15:54 GMT
Apparently DCfan is a conservative?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 8:17:41 GMT
Apparently DCfan is a conservative? He doesn't give a damn about the U.S. military and he certainly doesn't care that many good servicemen and women might be dying very violent deaths soon in either North Korea or the Middle East. |
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Post by scabab on Jan 3, 2018 9:57:18 GMT
Is there something wrong with American soldiers being the villain?
It's been pretty common in many movies even outside of the MCU, such as The Rock for example.
Captain America and War Machine were American soldiers and they're heroes. The Punisher is neutral. The villain in The Punisher was an America soldier etc.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 9:58:14 GMT
Is there something wrong with American soldiers being the villain? It's been pretty common in many movies even outside of the MCU, such as The Rock for example. Captain America and War Machine were American soldiers and they're heroes. The Punisher is neutral. The villain in The Punisher was an America soldier etc. He's reiterating yet again that the MCU hates U.S. soldiers and so do MCU fans. And you're just going to let him do it. |
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Post by scabab on Jan 3, 2018 10:41:55 GMT
He's reiterating yet again that the MCU hates U.S. soldiers and so do MCU fans. And you're just going to let him do it. And what would you have me do here? The thread is titled "The villain of Black Panther is an American soldier" That is a fact. It is also true that the MCU has had American soldiers be villains. Blonsky, Eric Savin, Billy Russo, Killmonger, The Blacksmith and Lewis Wilson. So there is a point. DC Fan has not made fun of anybody in the thread. It's titled appropriately. What is it exactly that I'm meant to do? |
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Jan 3, 2018 10:47:42 GMT
He's reiterating yet again that the MCU hates U.S. soldiers and so do MCU fans. And you're just going to let him do it. And what would you have me do here? The thread is titled "The villain of Black Panther is an American soldier" That is a fact. It is also true that the MCU has had American soldiers be villains. Blonsky, Eric Savin, Billy Russo, Killmonger, The Blacksmith and Lewis Wilson. So there is a point. DC Fan has not made fun of anybody in the thread. It's titled appropriately. What is it exactly that I'm meant to do? This thread is an obvious bait thread. Just because he doesn’t say “MCU hates American soldiers” doesn’t mean he’s not implying it. I mean, why else would he have made this thread? |
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Post by scabab on Jan 3, 2018 10:57:18 GMT
This thread is an obvious bait thread. Just because he doesn’t say “MCU hates American soldiers” doesn’t mean he’s not implying it. I mean, why else would he have made this thread? I know what it's getting at and if it becomes that way it will be locked but I can't just lock or delete threads that are on topic and are relatively true. It's on other people to make a discussion out of it. I'm only supposed to step in when it falls about. |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jan 3, 2018 11:03:09 GMT
So DC-Fan post got me thinking: What will Fox news/conservative media and alt right reaction to this film look like? It's got things that conservatives usually hate, including: 1. A positive lead black character 2. A white villain 3. An cast made up of %99 POC 4. A black villain who was a US soldier 5. Possible lesbian character All that's missing is T'CHALLA dating or having sex with/impregnating a white woman. February can't come soon enough!!! |
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Post by sostie on Jan 3, 2018 12:35:49 GMT
Killmonger character bio So don't attack me just because Kevin Feige likes to make American soldiers (e.g. General Ross and Emil Blonsky in The Incredible Hulk and Killmonger in Black Panther) the bad guys in MCU movies. What about Captain America? The Falcon? War Machine? The Howling Commandos? Good to see you continue the New Year in the same dumb ill-thought out vein you showed last year |
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Post by DSDSquared on Jan 3, 2018 13:13:17 GMT
The military is the bad guy in like a thousand DC stories across Smallville, Suicide Squad, Arrow, etc. It happens all of the time. Most of the time, they are shown as rogue or lone operatives working outside their authority. There are also plenty of good guy military personnel. Nothing to see here.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jan 3, 2018 15:15:02 GMT
The villain of Black Panther is a German-born arms dealer, smuggler, mercenary and gangster.
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Post by dazz on Jan 3, 2018 15:22:30 GMT
Killmonger character bio"Erik Stevens was an American black-ops soldier who earned the nickname "Killmonger" while in the field. However, after disappearing off the grid, he has reemerged with a plan that threatens to put Black Panther and all of Wakanda at risk. Using his charisma, considerable skills in combat and his surprising knowledge of Wakandan customs, Erik Killmonger is a dangerous threat to all that T'Challa holds dear."Now before MCU fans here attack me like they always do, let me point that I didn't say MCU fans hate American soldiers. I'm just going by MCU's official character description and pointing out that the villain of Black Panther is an American soldier. So don't attack me just because Kevin Feige likes to make American soldiers (e.g. General Ross and Emil Blonsky in The Incredible Hulk and Killmonger in Black Panther) the bad guys in MCU movies. I wish you had a point to posting this rather than just trying to rile people up, also sad to think you assume this should rile up all MCU fans given no one outside the US would give a toss about the depiction of former or current American military personnel.
So he's former US military what is your point? that Feige may have an issue with the US military? so what if he does? a lot of people do, what's the big deal?
You're clearly trying to goad people into shit talking you, for what purpose I have no idea other than you get your jollies from seeing people call you a shithead, but it's so obvious your trying to antagonise people without overtly doing so, so no one should be dumb enough to fall for it, it's just a shit show waiting to happen, I dunno whether to cry or break out the popcorn if I'm being honest.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jan 3, 2018 18:19:31 GMT
So DC-Fan post got me thinking: What will Fox news/conservative media and alt right reaction to this film look like? It's got things that conservatives usually hate, including: 1. A positive lead black character 2. A white villain 3. An cast made up of %99 POC 4. A black villain who was a US soldier 5. Possible lesbian character All that's missing is T'CHALLA dating or having sex with/impregnating a white woman. February can't come soon enough!!! I'm a conservative and I don't hate any of those things nor do I know any conservatives that do. And I know a lot of them. |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jan 3, 2018 18:26:39 GMT
And what would you have me do here? The thread is titled "The villain of Black Panther is an American soldier" That is a fact. It is also true that the MCU has had American soldiers be villains. Blonsky, Eric Savin, Billy Russo, Killmonger, The Blacksmith and Lewis Wilson. So there is a point. DC Fan has not made fun of anybody in the thread. It's titled appropriately. What is it exactly that I'm meant to do? Lock it, anyway. Its a troll thread. This isn't worth getting riled up about. There are at least two individuals in this thread that don't have their facts straight. Both of them shall remain nameless. Emil Blonsky, as portrayed in the MCU, is a British Commando. He is not an American soldier. In the Incredible Hulk, he is on loan to General Ross from Her Majesty. Since the character's inception, Thadeus Ross has been a primary antagonist of the Hulk. Kevin Feige did not make him a villain or a soldier. Stan Lee did. Ross has always been both in the source material. That said, in the MCU - as of Civil War - Thadeus Ross has left the military to serve as United States Secretary of State so, technically, he is a civil servant. Billy Russo, The Blacksmith, and Lewis Wilson are products of the MCU television division of which Jeph Loeb is the Senior Executive in charge. Kevin Feige has little to do with Marvel TV creatively. His mandate for MCU TV is to ensure that it performs up to the standard of the cinematic universe. So what do we have here in the final assessment? One individual makes unfounded and demonstrably false claims about a public figure who happens to be a Disney/Marvel Executive to purposefully start arguments and trouble. Instead of correcting or admonishing individual #1 for creating a flame thread, individual #2 goes out of his way to defend individual #1 - Just another day at IMDB2. |
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Post by Vassaggo on Jan 3, 2018 18:27:29 GMT
So DC-Fan post got me thinking: What will Fox news/conservative media and alt right reaction to this film look like? It's got things that conservatives usually hate, including: 1. A positive lead black character 2. A white villain 3. An cast made up of %99 POC 4. A black villain who was a US soldier 5. Possible lesbian character All that's missing is T'CHALLA dating or having sex with/impregnating a white woman. February can't come soon enough!!! I'm a conservative and I don't hate any of those things nor do I know any conservatives that do. And I know a lot of them. I was born and raised in South Carolina and North Carolina. And I can say that both conservatives and liberals I know can and do balk at these. It's just my more conservative acquaintances are louder about it. In the deep south racism/homophobia/anti-diversity/sexism is so strong it doesn't matter what side of the isle you are on. I have seen it get better in my life time though. So maybe there is hope. |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jan 3, 2018 18:39:56 GMT
So DC-Fan post got me thinking: What will Fox news/conservative media and alt right reaction to this film look like? It's got things that conservatives usually hate, including: 1. A positive lead black character 2. A white villain 3. An cast made up of %99 POC 4. A black villain who was a US soldier 5. Possible lesbian character All that's missing is T'CHALLA dating or having sex with/impregnating a white woman. February can't come soon enough!!! There is another interpretation of the Black Panther that sees him as an alt-right folk hero. Black Panther is not a character whose backstory, morals, or goals will cater to globalists, multiculturalists, or SJWs. Black Panther is anti-globalist. Black Panther’s moral coda is steeped in a strong nationalistic conviction that constantly places the wellbeing of his people’s history, culture, and identity over any external attempts at opening up the culture and economy of Wakanda. Wakanda is a hierarchal society that’s intentionally racially homogeneous, and its immigration policy is essentially isolationist. Other cultural influences are not permitted within Wakandan borders, as Black Panther believes them to be harmful to the wellbeing of his people. The Wakandan King enforces these policies through a culturally entrenched military, the Hatut Zerzae (a former secret police force turned mercenary group) & the Dora Milaje (the King’s all-female Praetorian Guard). In this sense, T’Challa expresses strikingly neo-Nazi tendencies. |
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Post by Skaathar on Jan 3, 2018 18:59:15 GMT
Uhmm... ok... so what? People from all walks of life can turn bad, including soldiers. Regardless of where their from. So what's the big deal?
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jan 3, 2018 19:08:41 GMT
Uhmm... ok... so what? People from all walks of life can turn bad, including soldiers. Regardless of where their from. So what's the big deal?There isn't one. The OP is just instigating bad blood and ill will amongst the fans by playing up a controversial subject. Furthermore, he will be allowed to do this over and over again with impunity because he is somehow this community's beloved mascot. "Spec Ops soldier turns mercenary because it pays better" could be torn out of a real-world headline. The fact that Killmonger's family was exiled and that he may have some tenuous claim to the Wakandan thrown makes him more of an antagonist than a classical Machiavellian villain. |
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