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Post by Lord Death Man on Jan 5, 2018 4:41:14 GMT
There is no basis in fact for that statement.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jan 5, 2018 4:46:35 GMT
There is no basis in fact for that statement. Weren't Bucky and Crossbones both American soldiers? |
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Post by DC-Fan on Jan 5, 2018 4:50:28 GMT
There is no basis in fact for that statement. Except for the fact that Kevin Feige made General Ross in The Incredible Hulk, Bucky Barnes in Captain America: The Winter Soldier, Steve Rogers in Captain America: Civil War and Killmonger in Black Panther) the bad guys in MCU movies. |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jan 5, 2018 4:52:17 GMT
There is no basis in fact for that statement. Weren't Bucky and Crossbones both American soldiers? Barnes was. Rumlow was not. He was an agent of S.H.E.I.L.D., Strike and Hydra. He held no official rank in the U.S. military. Even if they both were that still wouldn't make his idiotic statement any less false. |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jan 5, 2018 4:57:37 GMT
There is no basis in fact for that statement. Except for the fact that Kevin Feige made General Ross in The Incredible Hulk, Bucky Barnes in Captain America: The Winter Soldier, Steve Rogers in Captain America: Civil War and Killmonger in Black Panther) the bad guys in MCU movies. There have been nearly 20 MCU movies released to date. You named villains from four of those movies. How does four movies out of 20 mean that Kevin likes making US soldiers into villains? If it were 10 or 15, maybe. As is, your statement is more hyperbolic nonsense. Kevin didn't make General Ross into a Hulk villain. He's always been a Hulk villain - since Stan created him. For God's sake man, read a fucking comic book. |
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Post by dazz on Jan 5, 2018 8:00:35 GMT
There is no basis in fact for that statement. Except for the fact that Kevin Feige made General Ross in The Incredible Hulk, Bucky Barnes in Captain America: The Winter Soldier, Steve Rogers in Captain America: Civil War and Killmonger in Black Panther) the bad guys in MCU movies. Except for the fact that doing so for Bucky & Ross is comic accurate, Killmonger maybe also I'm not sure, also Cap isn't the villain of Civil War the whole point was they cut the film specifically to be as close to 50/50 as can be, if you side with Tony your not wrong but nor are you if you side with Cap so this is just idiocy on your part trying to force your opinion of a movie as fact.
But lets allow this imaginary theory some actual thought, Winter Soldier, Incredible Hulk, Black Panther...3 films in the MCU where the US military or former US military are used in villainous roles, compare that to Iron Man, Iron Man 2, Iron Man 3, Captain America, Captain America 2, Captain America 3, Avengers, Avengers 2, Avengers 3 where active or former US military are also viewed in a positive lights. 9-3 in favour of the US military.
Now if you eliminate the film where the military is shown in both good and bad lights that leaves you with 8-2, 20% of the marvel films where US military or ex military play prominent roles has them portrayed in a negative light, which given theres only 3 choices in how they fall either good, bad or neutral it's actually showing a sign that Marvel shows the US military in a positive light, they just don't suck the military's dick, their good but flawed it's respectful without being fanatical you dribbling twit.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jan 5, 2018 8:26:29 GMT
Except for the fact that Kevin Feige made General Ross in The Incredible Hulk, Bucky Barnes in Captain America: The Winter Soldier, Steve Rogers in Captain America: Civil War and Killmonger in Black Panther) the bad guys in MCU movies. Except for the fact that doing so for Bucky & Ross is comic accurate, Killmonger maybe also I'm not sure, also Cap isn't the villain of Civil War the whole point was they cut the film specifically to be as close to 50/50 as can be
If Civil War was trying to be close to 50/50, then it clearly failed because it's 100/0 that Cap is wrong. When Steve Rogers joined the Army, he had to take an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States. But in Civil War, Steve Rogers pisses all over the Constitution. The Constitution says that every defendant accused of a crime has the right to a trial by jury. It's not a jury made up of their BFF. It's a jury made up of 12 people who don't know the defendant and thus have no bias for nor against the defendant and thus would be fair and impartial. But Steve Rogers didn't want a jury of 12 people to judge his BFF so Steve Rogers appointed himself judge and jury and declared his BFF not guilty. Well, if "Captain America" doesn't believe in the Constitution and won't even abide by the laws in the Constitution, then why should other criminals have to do so? If "Captain America" isn't going to let his BFF be judged by a jury of 12 people, then why should other criminals be judged by a jury of 12 people? If "Captain America" is going to flee from the law just because he doesn't believe in the law, then why shouldn't other criminals also flee from the law if they don't believe in the law? Since "Captain America" basically says it's OK to piss all over the Constitution, then other criminals are going to do the same thing. And anyone who supports Steve Rogers' position is basically against the Constitution and against the justice system and effectively advocating for anarchy and lawlessness. |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jan 5, 2018 9:26:40 GMT
Except for the fact that doing so for Bucky & Ross is comic accurate, Killmonger maybe also I'm not sure, also Cap isn't the villain of Civil War the whole point was they cut the film specifically to be as close to 50/50 as can be
If Civil War was trying to be close to 50/50, then it clearly failed because it's 100/0 that Cap is wrong. When Steve Rogers joined the Army, he had to take an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States. But in Civil War, Steve Rogers pisses all over the Constitution. The Constitution says that every defendant accused of a crime has the right to a trial by jury. It's not a jury made up of their BFF. It's a jury made up of 12 people who don't know the defendant and thus have no bias for nor against the defendant and thus would be fair and impartial. But Steve Rogers didn't want a jury of 12 people to judge his BFF so Steve Rogers appointed himself judge and jury and declared his BFF not guilty. Well, if "Captain America" doesn't believe in the Constitution and won't even abide by the laws in the Constitution, then why should other criminals have to do so? If "Captain America" isn't going to let his BFF be judged by a jury of 12 people, then why should other criminals be judged by a jury of 12 people? If "Captain America" is going to flee from the law just because he doesn't believe in the law, then why shouldn't other criminals also flee from the law if they don't believe in the law? Since "Captain America" basically says it's OK to piss all over the Constitution, then other criminals are going to do the same thing. And anyone who supports Steve Rogers' position is basically against the Constitution and against the justice system and effectively advocating for anarchy and lawlessness. All of this drivel aside, dazz has gone out of his way to prove that Kevin Feige does not "like portraying the US military as villains" in MCU films. Two or three cherrypicked examples does not make for a trend or a pattern. And most of your examples are grossly distorted or demonstrably false. Any reasonable person can see this and yet your blustering, anti-MCU rhetoric is supposed to be taken sincerely? You're either stupid or purposefully trolling, in either case, nothing you say is even vaguely credible. |
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Post by dazz on Jan 5, 2018 11:46:20 GMT
Except for the fact that doing so for Bucky & Ross is comic accurate, Killmonger maybe also I'm not sure, also Cap isn't the villain of Civil War the whole point was they cut the film specifically to be as close to 50/50 as can be
If Civil War was trying to be close to 50/50, then it clearly failed because it's 100/0 that Cap is wrong. When Steve Rogers joined the Army, he had to take an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States. But in Civil War, Steve Rogers pisses all over the Constitution. The Constitution says that every defendant accused of a crime has the right to a trial by jury. It's not a jury made up of their BFF. It's a jury made up of 12 people who don't know the defendant and thus have no bias for nor against the defendant and thus would be fair and impartial. But Steve Rogers didn't want a jury of 12 people to judge his BFF so Steve Rogers appointed himself judge and jury and declared his BFF not guilty. Well, if "Captain America" doesn't believe in the Constitution and won't even abide by the laws in the Constitution, then why should other criminals have to do so? If "Captain America" isn't going to let his BFF be judged by a jury of 12 people, then why should other criminals be judged by a jury of 12 people? If "Captain America" is going to flee from the law just because he doesn't believe in the law, then why shouldn't other criminals also flee from the law if they don't believe in the law? Since "Captain America" basically says it's OK to piss all over the Constitution, then other criminals are going to do the same thing. And anyone who supports Steve Rogers' position is basically against the Constitution and against the justice system and effectively advocating for anarchy and lawlessness. Ignoring your idiotic rhetoric Civil War wasn't meant to be 50/50 for everyone but in the audiences split on whose side they took, some like yourself see Cap as the villain, others see him as the hero, just because you or I do not agree with Cap's behaviour in CW does not mean others are wrong to side with him, you once again confuse your opinion with gospel truth.
Also Cap cant piss on the constitution because his actions do not take place on US soil or against US forces, he defies UN law & UN forces, it's just another example of your ignorance where you assume everything revolves around America it doesn't.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 5, 2018 12:41:16 GMT
Except for the fact that doing so for Bucky & Ross is comic accurate, Killmonger maybe also I'm not sure, also Cap isn't the villain of Civil War the whole point was they cut the film specifically to be as close to 50/50 as can be
If Civil War was trying to be close to 50/50, then it clearly failed because it's 100/0 that Cap is wrong. When Steve Rogers joined the Army, he had to take an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States. But in Civil War, Steve Rogers pisses all over the Constitution. The Constitution says that every defendant accused of a crime has the right to a trial by jury. They said Bucky wouldn't get a trial. The Constitution failed him. And anyways, you love a White Collar Criminal like Bruce Wayne. |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jan 5, 2018 12:48:26 GMT
Didn't they try to kill Bucky? I remember a scene with a attack helicopter shooting at him and Black Panther when they were fighting on the roof.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 5, 2018 12:57:30 GMT
Didn't they try to kill Bucky? I remember a scene with a attack helicopter shooting at him and Black Panther when they were fighting on the roof. The German Cops (working with the CIA) were ordered to kill him on sight. |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jan 5, 2018 17:45:06 GMT
Didn't they try to kill Bucky? I remember a scene with a attack helicopter shooting at him and Black Panther when they were fighting on the roof. The German Cops (working with the CIA) were ordered to kill him on sight. So much for the "give him a fair trial" argument. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2018 18:50:50 GMT
Didn't they try to kill Bucky? I remember a scene with a attack helicopter shooting at him and Black Panther when they were fighting on the roof. The German Cops (working with the CIA) were ordered to kill him on sight. They were Romanian I think |
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Post by DC-Fan on Jan 6, 2018 2:01:01 GMT
If Civil War was trying to be close to 50/50, then it clearly failed because it's 100/0 that Cap is wrong. When Steve Rogers joined the Army, he had to take an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States. But in Civil War, Steve Rogers pisses all over the Constitution. The Constitution says that every defendant accused of a crime has the right to a trial by jury. It's not a jury made up of their BFF. It's a jury made up of 12 people who don't know the defendant and thus have no bias for nor against the defendant and thus would be fair and impartial. But Steve Rogers didn't want a jury of 12 people to judge his BFF so Steve Rogers appointed himself judge and jury and declared his BFF not guilty. Well, if "Captain America" doesn't believe in the Constitution and won't even abide by the laws in the Constitution, then why should other criminals have to do so? If "Captain America" isn't going to let his BFF be judged by a jury of 12 people, then why should other criminals be judged by a jury of 12 people? If "Captain America" is going to flee from the law just because he doesn't believe in the law, then why shouldn't other criminals also flee from the law if they don't believe in the law? Since "Captain America" basically says it's OK to piss all over the Constitution, then other criminals are going to do the same thing. And anyone who supports Steve Rogers' position is basically against the Constitution and against the justice system and effectively advocating for anarchy and lawlessness. Cap cant piss on the constitution because his actions do not take place on US soil or against US forces, he defies UN law & UN forces, it's just another example of your ignorance where you assume everything revolves around America it doesn't.
Cap did indeed piss all over the Constitution. Bucky murdered the Starks on a remote road on Long Island in New York. Since Bucky's crimes were committed on US soil, Bucky would be charged by U.S. law enforcement according to U.S. laws and would be tried in front of a jury of 12 Americans. But Cap didn't believe in letting a jury of 12 Americans decide if his BFF was guilty of murder so Cap appointed himself judge and jury and declared that his BFF was not guilty. So Cap effectively pissed all over the Constitution that he took an oath to defend when he joined the Army. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Jan 6, 2018 2:02:37 GMT
Didn't they try to kill Bucky? I remember a scene with a attack helicopter shooting at him and Black Panther when they were fighting on the roof. Because Bucky refused to surrender and was trying to flee. Had Bucky held his hands in the air and surrendered, they wouldn't stopped shooting, just like they did when they surrounded Bucky after the chase on the streets. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Jan 6, 2018 2:06:27 GMT
The German Cops (working with the CIA) were ordered to kill him on sight. So much for the "give him a fair trial" argument. That's false. We know for a fact that's false because when the cops surrounded Bucky on the streets, the cops didn't shoot him. They arrested him. So clearly the cops weren't ordered to kill Bucky on sight. So yes, Bucky was going to get a fair trial.
But Cap didn't believe in trial by jury because he didn't think that 12 ordinary Americans are good enough to decide if his BFF is guilty of murder. So Cap appointed himself judge and jury and declared his BFF not guilty. Cap effectively pissed all over the Constitution that he took an oath to defend when he joined the Army.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jan 6, 2018 2:10:22 GMT
If Civil War was trying to be close to 50/50, then it clearly failed because it's 100/0 that Cap is wrong. When Steve Rogers joined the Army, he had to take an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States. But in Civil War, Steve Rogers pisses all over the Constitution. The Constitution says that every defendant accused of a crime has the right to a trial by jury. They said Bucky wouldn't get a trial. Bucky was definitely getting a trial. Bucky was arrested in public after a chase through a busy street. There were plenty of witnesses to Bucky's arrest so the government couldn't cover it up. And since the press knows that Bucky was arrested, the press is going to demand access to the trial so they can report on the trial. So there was no way the government could cover it up or not give Bucky a trial. So Bucky was definitely getting a trial. But Cap didn't believe in trial by jury so Cap appointed himself judge and jury and declared his BFF not guilty. Cap effectively pissed all over the Constitution that he took an oath to defend when he joined the Army. |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jan 6, 2018 2:15:09 GMT
Didn't they try to kill Bucky? I remember a scene with a attack helicopter shooting at him and Black Panther when they were fighting on the roof. Because Bucky refused to surrender and was trying to flee. Had Bucky held his hands in the air and surrendered, they wouldn't stopped shooting, just like they did when they surrounded Bucky after the chase on the streets. They would have shot him. Hell they fucking shot at the King of Wakanda for Christ sake! I'm surprised wakanda didn't declare war after that incident. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Jan 6, 2018 2:24:38 GMT
Because Bucky refused to surrender and was trying to flee. Had Bucky held his hands in the air and surrendered, they wouldn't stopped shooting, just like they did when they surrounded Bucky after the chase on the streets. They would have shot him. Hell they fucking shot at the King of Wakanda for Christ sake! I'm surprised wakanda didn't declare war after that incident. 1st, no, the cops wouldn't have shot Bucky if had held his hands in the air and surrendered. We know that for a fact because later the cops chased Bucky through the streets and when they had him surrounded, he held up his hands and surrendered and they didn't shoot him. So that completely debunks any claims you have that they would've shot him.
2nd, no, they didn't shoot at the King of Wakanda. They shot at a guy in a mask who refused to identify himself to the cops. Moreover, T'Challa wasn't the King of Wakanda yet. His father was the King and was killed. I don't believe they had a coronation yet. So T'Challa wasn't the King of Wakanda yet.
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