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Post by Skaathar on Jan 3, 2018 19:19:52 GMT
Uhmm... ok... so what? People from all walks of life can turn bad, including soldiers. Regardless of where their from. So what's the big deal?There isn't one. The OP is just instigating bad blood and ill will amongst the fans by playing up a controversial subject. Furthermore, he will be allowed to do this over and over again with impunity because he is somehow this community's beloved mascot. "Spec Ops soldier turns mercenary because it pays better" could be torn out of a real-world headline. The fact that Killmonger's family was exiled and that he may have some tenuous claim to the Wakandan thrown makes him more of an antagonist than a classical Machiavellian villain. Yeah, bait thread is obvious. DC fan really needs to try harder than this. |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jan 3, 2018 20:49:37 GMT
DC-Fan needs to be banned. #teamcolden Serious question here: Why don't you guys just put him on "ignore"? I choose not to put anyone on ignore as a personal preference. That said, I do not respond directly to dc_fan anymore as that is a waste of time. When you have someone who is intent on making disparaging remarks and spreading bold-face lies about your fandom, you have a duty as a fan to debunk such an individual before what he or she says is taken as the truth. Marvel fans don't hate US soldiers. Marvel Executives are not enacting a program to discredit or vilify US soldiers. MCU heroes do not frequently or regularly promote devious or immoral behavior. To the sane individual, these statements are ridiculous and obviously designed to foster animosity and ill will amongst the community. They are not meant to promote discussion or invite discourse. In almost any other context, such statements and behavior, no matter how seemingly innocuous, would be called out for what they are - hate speech. Here, the individual responsible for these comments enjoys the protection of the management and is allowed to continue posting these tirades whenever he feels like it. To prove my point, if the moderator reads this post, it is very likely that I will be the one penalized for "whining" while the instigator is treated as a member of a protected group of one. |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jan 3, 2018 21:10:02 GMT
Oy vey you guys are triggered as fuck. Relax. There's nothing wrong with this thread. This is the lion's den, guys!
If you can't take the heat, get out! That's true there is nothing wrong with this thread. It's the OP that full of lies. He has said this in the past, so this statement is a lie. Killmonger is a former American Soldier. The word is should be was or the word veteran should be used to describe his current status. As is, the statement is a lie designed to mislead and trigger. This statement is demonstrably false, Kevin Feige does not enjoy portraying American soldiers as villains. |
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Post by Skaathar on Jan 3, 2018 21:43:06 GMT
DC-Fan needs to be banned. #teamcolden Serious question here: Why don't you guys just put him on "ignore"? Because we try to see the best in everyone and continuously give him chances to prove he's not a troll? |
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Post by damngumby on Jan 3, 2018 22:01:29 GMT
So DC-Fan post got me thinking: What will Fox news/conservative media and alt right reaction to this film look like? It's got things that conservatives usually hate, including: 1. A positive lead black character 2. A white villain 3. An cast made up of %99 POC 4. A black villain who was a US soldier 5. Possible lesbian character All that's missing is T'CHALLA dating or having sex with/impregnating a white woman. February can't come soon enough!!! Then you've got things that liberals usually hate. 1. A positive lead black character ... Who doesn't bemoan his perceived victim-hood at the hands of the white oppressors. Racist! 2. A white villain ... White-washing! Racist! 3. A cast that is 99% the same race ... Where is the diversity?! Racist! 4. A black villain ... Racist! 5. Possible lesbian character ... Homophobic! Why just "possible"?! Racist! T'CHALLA dating or having sex with/impregnating a white woman ... Did he follow the proper guidelines to assure the sex was fully consensual, as put forth by the State of California?! Sexist! ... and why a white woman? Was a black woman not good enough for him?! Racist! Note that none of this needs to make sense or be consistent. |
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Post by scabab on Jan 3, 2018 22:42:46 GMT
Billy Russo, The Blacksmith, and Lewis Wilson are products of the MCU television division of which Jeph Loeb is the Senior Executive in charge. Kevin Feige has little to do with Marvel TV creatively. His mandate for MCU TV is to ensure that it performs up to the standard of the cinematic universe. That doesn't really matter. It's still part of the MCU, they are still antagonists and they were still part of the US military. |
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Post by Skaathar on Jan 3, 2018 22:44:26 GMT
So DC-Fan post got me thinking: What will Fox news/conservative media and alt right reaction to this film look like? It's got things that conservatives usually hate, including: 1. A positive lead black character 2. A white villain 3. An cast made up of %99 POC 4. A black villain who was a US soldier 5. Possible lesbian character All that's missing is T'CHALLA dating or having sex with/impregnating a white woman. February can't come soon enough!!! Then you've got things that liberals usually hate. 1. A positive lead black character ... Who doesn't bemoan his perceived victim-hood at the hands of the white oppressors. Racist! 2. A white villain ... White-washing! Racist! 3. A cast that is 99% the same race ... Where is the diversity?! Racist! 4. A black villain ... Racist! 5. Possible lesbian character ... Homophobic! Why just "possible"?! Racist! T'CHALLA dating or having sex with/impregnating a white woman ... Did he follow the proper guidelines to assure the sex was fully consensual, as put forth by the State of California?! Sexist! ... and why a white woman? Was a black woman not good enough for him?! Racist! Note that none of this needs to make sense or be consistent. lol. Good points. |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jan 3, 2018 23:01:18 GMT
Billy Russo, The Blacksmith, and Lewis Wilson are products of the MCU television division of which Jeph Loeb is the Senior Executive in charge. Kevin Feige has little to do with Marvel TV creatively. His mandate for MCU TV is to ensure that it performs up to the standard of the cinematic universe. That doesn't really matter. It's still part of the MCU, they are still antagonists and they were still part of the US military. It does matter in the context of this quote from the original post. What proof is there that Kevin Feige personally likes making US soldiers into bad guys? |
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Post by scabab on Jan 3, 2018 23:10:04 GMT
It does matter in the context of this quote from the original post. My comment wasn't really based on that specifically. It was a general comment. I don't think there's anything to Kevin Feige choosing American military as the villains. As I said in my first post, there's plenty of non MCU movies that have American military as the villains. There's plenty of Hero characters who were in the American military too. |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jan 3, 2018 23:23:08 GMT
It does matter in the context of this quote from the original post. It was a general comment. I don't think there's anything to Kevin Feige choosing American military as the villains. As I said in my first post, there's plenty of non MCU movies that have American military as the villains. There's plenty of Hero characters who were in the American military too. But DC_fan's comments were based on that and therein lies the problem. It's as if I said Geoff Johns hates black people because there are hardly any black people in the DCEU. Would it be okay for me to go to the DCEU board and post that? It should be if we're using your logic. |
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Post by Vassaggo on Jan 3, 2018 23:31:39 GMT
I'm new here and I'll never troll, but if I were to as long as I keep it vague enough on the surface it's ok? I can't see any other motive in the original post other than the intention to bait people. I don't have a sense of the rules here or the general attitude of the board yet. I never got to serve as I have asthma, but my brother, father, 3 uncles, 2 grandfathers, and countless cousins did. To infer that MCU and Kevin Feige somehow wants to disparage Servicemen by wanting to make American Soldiers to be villains is disrespectful at the very least. Instead of looking at the flow of a plot dealing with Super Soldiers, the projects that built them, and just normal vets so the villains will be soldiers too in some cases. I think anyone would see the op side stepped the blatantly obvious reason why the Soldiers were used as villains and inferred that Feige just likes to make soldiers the bad guys. And so inferring makes fans of MCU complicit in Feige's disrespect of Servicemen. That's just my 2 cents I could be wrong.
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Post by scabab on Jan 3, 2018 23:33:07 GMT
But DC_fan's comments were based on that and therein lies the problem. It's as if I said Geoff Johns hates black people because there are hardly any black people in the DCEU. Would it be okay for me to go to the DCEU board and post that? It should be if we're using your logic. Well that wouldn't be a mod related issue. If DC Fan wants to believe that Kevin Feige likes to make American Soldiers the villain then that is his belief. Like those who also make threads about Disney paying for reviews, also unfounded but it is their belief. From that point people can discuss that. I can't just show up and say "There's no proof what you're saying is true" and just lock the thread. It doesn't matter if it's true or false, I can't stop people from having their opinions on things and trying to make discussions. All I'm meant to do is to make sure people have whatever discussions as peacefully as possible. |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jan 3, 2018 23:42:29 GMT
But DC_fan's comments were based on that and therein lies the problem. It's as if I said Geoff Johns hates black people because there are hardly any black people in the DCEU. Would it be okay for me to go to the DCEU board and post that? It should be if we're using your logic. Well that wouldn't be a mod related issue. If DC Fan wants to believe that Kevin Feige likes to make American Soldiers the villain then that is his belief. Like those who also make threads about Disney paying for reviews, also unfounded but it is their belief. From that point people can discuss that. I can't just show up and say "There's no proof what you're saying is true" and just lock the thread. It doesn't matter if it's true or false, I can't stop people from having their opinions on things and trying to make discussions. All I'm meant to do is to make sure people have whatever discussions as peacefully as possible. So your saying I have the right to be inflammatory and preach hate if I want to without fear of moderator intervention at any time. As long as I word my statements as my own beliefs, I can post bait threads to my heart's contents without any reprisal? And, furthermore, you will personally come to my aid when I face opposition? |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jan 3, 2018 23:50:27 GMT
DC-Fan why are you ignoring this thread? NOTICE US!
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jan 3, 2018 23:51:44 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 23:51:52 GMT
But DC_fan's comments were based on that and therein lies the problem. It's as if I said Geoff Johns hates black people because there are hardly any black people in the DCEU. Would it be okay for me to go to the DCEU board and post that? It should be if we're using your logic. Well that wouldn't be a mod related issue. If DC Fan wants to believe that Kevin Feige likes to make American Soldiers the villain then that is his belief. But he doesn't believe it. He's just trolling. He just wants to get on people's nerves and you are letting him. |
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Post by scabab on Jan 4, 2018 0:19:41 GMT
So your saying I have the right to be inflammatory and preach hate if I want to without fear of moderator intervention at any time. That wouldn't be preaching hatred. That would be you having the belief that a certain individual has made a specific decision regarding a movie series. There's no hatred in this thread. Just the opinion that Kevin Feige likes to make American soldiers the villains in the MCU. That can be agreed with or disagreed with peacefully. He just wants to get on people's nerves and you are letting him. I don't control people's emotional state. I can't the lock the thread because that would be my own personal bias, I can't decide for other people the outcome of an on topic discussion. That is up to all of you how this discusson plays out. I am only here to make sure you do it without insulting each other. So make your arguments, corrections, opinions or whatever or just don't and let the thread die naturally. The idea is for me to interfere with other people's discussons as little as possible. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Jan 4, 2018 0:26:29 GMT
Killmonger's family was exiled What family? formersamhmd said that Killmonger was banished as a little boy while the rest of his family died. |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jan 4, 2018 0:33:39 GMT
So your saying I have the right to be inflammatory and preach hate if I want to without fear of moderator intervention at any time. That wouldn't be preaching hatred. That would be you having the belief that a certain individual has made a specific decision regarding a movie series. There's no hatred in this thread. Just the opinion that Kevin Feige likes to make American soldiers the villains in the MCU. That can be agreed with or disagreed with peacefully. He just wants to get on people's nerves and you are letting him. I don't control people's emotional state. I can't the lock the thread because that would be my own personal bias, I can't decide for other people the outcome of an on topic discussion. That is up to all of you how this discusson plays out. I am only here to make sure you do it without insulting each other. So make your arguments, corrections, opinions or whatever or just don't and let the thread die naturally. The idea is for me to interfere with other people's discussons as little as possible. All it takes is one small leap in your deductive reasoning skills to see how his so called "beliefs" lead to a very specific group of people being portrayed as disrespectful, ungrateful and immoral - namely MCU fans. If I say that Kevin Feige frequently portrays the American military as villains in the MCU, the next logical step in that line of reasoning is that Kevin hates the military and has no respect for their deeds or ongoing sacrifice. Follow that line of reasoning a little further still and now, anyone who is a fan of the MCU not only supports Kevin's campaign to discredit the military but, they too must also hate the military. So, the implied statement of this post is that if you are an MCU fan, you have no respect for the American military. All this coming from an individual who does not know the difference between a soldier and a Marine. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Jan 4, 2018 0:37:07 GMT
My comment wasn't really based on that specifically. It was a general comment. I don't think there's anything to Kevin Feige choosing American military as the villains. As I said in my first post, there's plenty of non MCU movies that have American military as the villains. There's plenty of Hero characters who were in the American military too. But DC_fan's comments were based on that and therein lies the problem. It's as if I said Geoff Johns hates black people because there are hardly any black people in the DCEU. Hardly any black people in DCEU?
Harry Lennix Laurence Fishburne Will Smith Viola Davis Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje Ray Fisher Joe Morton
DCEU had a black actor (Laurence Fishburne) play a role (Perry White) that had always been Caucasian in the past. And while MCU's first team-up movie (The Avengers) didn't have a member of the team who is black, the DCEU's first 2 team-up movies (Suicide Squad and Justice League) both had members of the team who are black.
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