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Post by DC-Fan on Jan 7, 2018 1:57:57 GMT
That's correct. Wakanda would have hell to pay politically because they would have to explain why their head of state worwe a mask and refused to identify himself to the police and was on the same rooftop as a suspected terrorist. At best, T'Challa would be labeled a spy. At worst, T'Challa would be labeled as a supporter of a terrorist. All or some part of the world would be at war with Wakanda - and there's an excellent chance that they'd all lose. Doubtful. With T'Challa and his father both dead, Killmonger would be able to take over the throne of Wakanda without any opposition. And Killmonger probably won't start a world war over T'Challa's death, especially when T'Challa was in the wrong. |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jan 7, 2018 2:03:47 GMT
All or some part of the world would be at war with Wakanda - and there's an excellent chance that they'd all lose. Doubtful. With T'Challa and his father both dead, Killmonger would be able to take over the throne of Wakanda without any opposition. And Killmonger probably won't start a world war over T'Challa's death, especially when T'Challa was in the wrong. Your fanfic is poorly thought out and wrong. You don't know what Killmonger would do. Even if he was relevant to to this discussion - which he isn't. He'd be likely be more psychotic and vindictive than a headless Wakandan state would be. But please, keep spinning your ill-informed fanfic, it's highly entertaining. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 7, 2018 2:21:24 GMT
Hauntedknight87 If T'Challa - the sovereign head of state of a foreign nation - would have been killed on foreign soil by foreign agencies, regardless of the circumstances - there would have been hell to pay politically irrespective of why or how it happened. That's correct. That's incorrect, actually. |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jan 7, 2018 2:23:34 GMT
That's incorrect, actually. Care to elaborate? |
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 7, 2018 2:25:20 GMT
That's incorrect, actually. Care to elaborate? People knew that the Wakandans were the more wronged party in the recent attack, they knew the Wakandans wouldn't take it lying down, and seeing how T'Chaka made them less isolationist odds are they knew about the figure of the Black Panther as well. So with all this, they'd know that killing T'Challa would be a bad thing. Plus, it was clear he was trying to STOP Bucky, not aid him. |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jan 7, 2018 2:33:14 GMT
People knew that the Wakandans were the more wronged party in the recent attack, they knew the Wakandans wouldn't take it lying down, and seeing how T'Chaka made them less isolationist odds are they knew about the figure of the Black Panther as well. So with all this, they'd know that killing T'Challa would be a bad thing. Plus, it was clear he was trying to STOP Bucky, not aid him. @dc_fan's original claim was that the "police" would be within their rights to kill T'Challa during Bucky's apprehension and there would be no consequences politically or otherwise. Wakanda would just say "cool" you killed our King. No big deal. So my rebuttal is not incorrect if you follow his original claim. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 7, 2018 3:34:32 GMT
People knew that the Wakandans were the more wronged party in the recent attack, they knew the Wakandans wouldn't take it lying down, and seeing how T'Chaka made them less isolationist odds are they knew about the figure of the Black Panther as well. So with all this, they'd know that killing T'Challa would be a bad thing. Plus, it was clear he was trying to STOP Bucky, not aid him. @dc_fan's original claim was that the "police" would be within their rights to kill T'Challa during Bucky's apprehension and there would be no consequences politically or otherwise. Wakanda would just say "cool" you killed our King. No big deal. So my rebuttal is not incorrect if you follow his original claim. I must have hit the wrong button, I was replying to DC-Fan's whole thing with "you're incorrect". I must've replied to your post instead, sorry. |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jan 7, 2018 3:41:34 GMT
@dc_fan's original claim was that the "police" would be within their rights to kill T'Challa during Bucky's apprehension and there would be no consequences politically or otherwise. Wakanda would just say "cool" you killed our King. No big deal. So my rebuttal is not incorrect if you follow his original claim. I must have hit the wrong button, I was replying to DC-Fan's whole thing with "you're incorrect". I must've replied to your post instead, sorry. No harm, no foul. I was just confused. |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jan 7, 2018 4:34:34 GMT
All or some part of the world would be at war with Wakanda - and there's an excellent chance that they'd all lose. Doubtful. With T'Challa and his father both dead, Killmonger would be able to take over the throne of Wakanda without any opposition. And Killmonger probably won't start a world war over T'Challa's death, especially when T'Challa was in the wrong. He has a sister who would be next in line. And Wakanda, giving how highly advance they are technically, would rain hell down on the UN if both Kings died on their soil. It was a stupid thing for them to open fire on Bucky like that on a civilian roof. Even more stupid to attack Black Panther like that. That pretty much summons up the government in the MCU. |
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Post by dazz on Jan 7, 2018 11:22:09 GMT
All or some part of the world would be at war with Wakanda - and there's an excellent chance that they'd all lose. Doubtful. With T'Challa and his father both dead, Killmonger would be able to take over the throne of Wakanda without any opposition. And Killmonger probably won't start a world war over T'Challa's death, especially when T'Challa was in the wrong. See this is where you show just how ill informed you are, effort man make a little before you type your bullshit atleast then it cant be dismissed by a single line of fact, as this in fact was, that post literally proven wrong in just 10 words "T'Challa has a sister, she would be next in line", yah goof. |
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Feb 19, 2018 8:25:30 GMT
I was actually pleasantly surprised to find that Killmonger wasn't actually an American soldier villain. He happened to be an American soldier, but he was actually a Wakandan who was left behind by his father who was a spy, and he joined the American military to learn the ways of his enemies in order to conquer them when he became king. It was nice to see someone like Everett Ross, a former member of United States Air Force, end up being one of the heroes of the story.
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Post by DC-Fan on Feb 19, 2018 10:02:30 GMT
I was actually pleasantly surprised to find that Killmonger wasn't actually an American soldier villain. He happened to be an American soldier, but he was actually a Wakandan who was left behind by his father who was a spy, and he joined the American military to learn the ways of his enemies in order to conquer them when he became king. It was nice to see someone like Everett Ross, a former member of United States Air Force, end up being one of the heroes of the story. Was Killmonger Wakandan? Didn't they say his father came to America and fell in love with a woman and had a child? Killmonger said he had never been to Wakanda. So presumably, Killmonger's mother was American and Killmonger was born in the US, which would give Killmonger full US citizenship. So Killmonger was an American citizen who served in the US military.
I wouldn't call Everett Ross a hero of the story. He basically participated in an illegal coup to overthrow the rightful King of a foreign nation and apparently did so without approval from Langley. So he could've involved the US in a war that POTUS didn't want. That's not heroic.
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Post by charzhino on Feb 19, 2018 10:17:56 GMT
It is quite a contrast to WW where the American soldier is a straight up good guy.
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Post by charzhino on Feb 19, 2018 10:20:20 GMT
I was actually pleasantly surprised to find that Killmonger wasn't actually an American soldier villain. He happened to be an American soldier, but he was actually a Wakandan who was left behind by his father who was a spy, and he joined the American military to learn the ways of his enemies in order to conquer them when he became king. It was nice to see someone like Everett Ross, a former member of United States Air Force, end up being one of the heroes of the story. He was more of an American soldier than a Wakandan citizen, given that hed never been there. His training and combat skills were learned on the battle field in Iraq and Afghanistan, not the waterfall arenas in Wakanda. |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Feb 19, 2018 10:29:33 GMT
Again why is it controversial to make American soldiers the villain?
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Post by Power Ranger on Feb 19, 2018 10:30:28 GMT
Also in the MCU the one behind international terrorism is the Vice President of the US. Bin Laden is just an actor named Trevor.
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Post by charzhino on Feb 19, 2018 10:32:20 GMT
Again why is it controversial to make American soldiers the villain? Some form of sociopolotical commentary about American forces destabilizing foreign lands in real world proxy wars, and abusing their positions whilst doing it thus giving them a bad reputation globally |
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Feb 19, 2018 10:36:43 GMT
I was actually pleasantly surprised to find that Killmonger wasn't actually an American soldier villain. He happened to be an American soldier, but he was actually a Wakandan who was left behind by his father who was a spy, and he joined the American military to learn the ways of his enemies in order to conquer them when he became king. It was nice to see someone like Everett Ross, a former member of United States Air Force, end up being one of the heroes of the story. Was Killmonger Wakandan? Didn't they say his father came to America and fell in love with a woman and had a child? Killmonger said he had never been to Wakanda. So presumably, Killmonger's mother was American and Killmonger was born in the US, which would give Killmonger full US citizenship. So Killmonger was an American citizen who served in the US military.
I wouldn't call Everett Ross a hero of the story. He basically participated in an illegal coup to overthrow the rightful King of a foreign nation and apparently did so without approval from Langley. So he could've involved the US in a war that POTUS didn't want. That's not heroic.
He had the mark of a Wakandan. But yes, his father, the king's brother, fell in love with an American woman and had a child. It's true that Killmonger had never been to Wakanda but he clearly used the U.S. Government to serve his own purposes of learning their "colonizer" ways to further his own agenda. In my opinion, he was a spy because he was never faithful to the United States of America, which we all know any American soldier would be. And if they aren't.. they are a traitor. EDIT: I don't deny that the MCU has had some villains that were American soldiers. I just don't believe this is one of them. |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Feb 19, 2018 10:42:22 GMT
Again why is it controversial to make American soldiers the villain? Some form of sociopolotical commentary about American forces destabilizing foreign lands in real world proxy wars, and abusing their positions whilst doing it thus giving them a bad reputation globally Well we did fuck things up badly, especially when Bush was in office, so I say it's fair game for the portrayal of the American government and it's people. Besides how many movies and TV shows that have been made that portray mideastern men and even women as Terrorist? |
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Post by DC-Fan on Feb 19, 2018 16:50:56 GMT
It is quite a contrast to WW where the American soldier is a straight up good guy. Yep, Black Panther is another MCU movie where an American soldier is a bad guy. There was General Ross in The Incredible Hulk, Bucky Barnes in Winter Soldier, and now Killmonger in Black Panther. Steve Trevor, like General Swanwick and Colonel Hardy, is an American soldier who is a good guy. |
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