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Post by charzhino on Mar 6, 2018 20:37:21 GMT
Youve said alot but it doesn't answer the question. Being a genius like Shuri is, doesn't happen by luck or chance. You need to be educated by the brightest minds and prestigious institutions in the world. Stark has access to modern day universities and literature research. Shuri lives in Wakanda, where they do not exchange information with the outside world. Who is teaching her biomechanics, organic chemistry, metellurgy to a level that most western students wouldnt even dream of possessing? Genius does not come from conventional learning. It is a statistical anomaly that occurs in a tiny fraction of the populous. Some people are born naturally intelligent. One account of Tony’s origin has him dropping out of MIT before completing his undergrad because the curriculum was too slow. He fabricated the first Iron Man on his own within a year of that. Tony was mentored alongside Dr Yinsin, a brilliant physicist. Shuri is basically on her own, and just reading books and watching e-courses will not make someone genius level without professional guidance and collaboration. |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Mar 6, 2018 20:38:04 GMT
Shes super smart yet from whats shown in the film she never left Wakanda. So where has she studied advanced chemistry, physics and biology to have knowledge superior to Stark supposedly. All the best university's are in the Western world, where guys like Stark, Xavier and Reed Richards attend to master their field of science. Uh... CLEARLY Wakanda has its own schools and physicists and etc. Its sheer arrogance to think that intelligence can only come from one area of the world. |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Mar 6, 2018 20:38:56 GMT
Genius does not come from conventional learning. It is a statistical anomaly that occurs in a tiny fraction of the populous. Some people are born naturally intelligent. One account of Tony’s origin has him dropping out of MIT before completing his undergrad because the curriculum was too slow. He fabricated the first Iron Man on his own within a year of that. Tony was mentored alongside Dr Yinsin, a brilliant physicist. Shuri is basically on her own, and just reading books and watching e-courses will not make someone genius level without professional guidance and collaboration. On her own? Okay, you're starting to scare me, brother. Shuri represents the latest product of the Wakandan education system. She is not the first or the only product of it. |
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Post by charzhino on Mar 6, 2018 20:38:56 GMT
Its not racist its true. Whens the last time a Nobel prize scientist was lecturing at an African university? Wakanda may have basic maths and engineering schools but to achieve a superhuman intellect like Shuri, without leaving Wakanda is absurd. Who says she never left Wakanda? In the comics both T’Challa and Shuri were partially educated in the West. How do you think they learned to speak fluent English, watching Back to the Future II on a continuous loop? Im talking about whats shown in the movie, i have no intetest reading BP comics. In the film she calls the white guy a colonizer. Clearly she has never left Wakanda and even is hinted when T'Challa refuses to take her with him on his expeditions to the outside world. |
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Post by Vassaggo on Mar 6, 2018 20:39:04 GMT
All of your assumptions are based on the idea that Wakanda somehow has no learning institutions of its own and that all of the best learning institutions are in the West. Within the Marvel Universe, that couldn't be farther from the truth. You wouldn't ask the same question of Tony Stark because the answer would be irrelevant. The real (and frankly obvious) answer for both Tony and Shuri is that they are geniuses who would have likely arrived at their level of knowledge and mastery over multiple fields regardless of where they were educated. For a deep dive into the Wakandan culture, government, and its education system (which differs radically from its hyper-capitalist western counterparts in structure and pedagogical approach) see Ta-Nehisi Coates' lauded run on Black Panther and Roxane Gay and Yona Harvey's World of Wakanda. In other words, go read a comic book. Sincerely, Death Man Youve said alot but it doesn't answer the question. Being a genius like Shuri is, doesn't happen by luck or chance. You need to be educated by the brightest minds and prestigious institutions in the world. Stark has access to modern day universities and literature research. Shuri lives in Wakanda, where they do not exchange information with the outside world. Who is teaching her biomechanics, organic chemistry, metellurgy to a level that most western students wouldnt even dream of possessing? Well first they may not exchange information, but that doesn't mean they don't receive information from sources. We don't know if Wakandans have access to the internet. I pretty sure with how technical they are they can without being detected. And also you don't know how good the schools are. Just because they don't connect with the outside world that doesn't mean the have crappy schools. Who is to say that 200 years ago they had a scientist that figured out E=mc2. They are a few decades past us in science. It's not like Einstein was the only person who could've come up with his Theorys. If you don't want to got the route that others in Wakanda have figured out most what we know now without contact with outside world we can go with Srinivasa Ramanujan. In real life Srinivasa had no formal training in Advance Mathematics. He made substantial contributions to mathematical analysis, number theory, infinite series, and continued fractions, including solutions to mathematical problems considered to be unsolvable. |
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Post by Power Ranger on Mar 6, 2018 20:40:11 GMT
She went to Mary Sue University. And it seems you flunked out of troll university. She is a bit of an MS but, the assumption that you can’t learn anything about science, math, engineering or physics without having to leave Wakanda is blinding stupid and borderline racist. The whole idea of Wakanda is that it is the most advanced nation on earth. That automatically presupposes that the must have an internal educational system which allowed that to happen. It’s just common sense but, here we are once again trying to apply grounded logic to a world of fantasy. What the fuck are you people drinking that makes you so devoid of imagination? It’s only the most technologically advanced. Not socially. They still have thugocracy monarchy. |
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Post by charzhino on Mar 6, 2018 20:41:02 GMT
Shes super smart yet from whats shown in the film she never left Wakanda. So where has she studied advanced chemistry, physics and biology to have knowledge superior to Stark supposedly. All the best university's are in the Western world, where guys like Stark, Xavier and Reed Richards attend to master their field of science. Uh... CLEARLY Wakanda has its own schools and physicists and etc. Its sheer arrogance to think that intelligence can only come from one area of the world. All the evidence points that it does. Who was the last nobel prize winning scientist either of African descent or teaching at an African university? |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Mar 6, 2018 20:42:26 GMT
Youve said alot but it doesn't answer the question. Being a genius like Shuri is, doesn't happen by luck or chance. You need to be educated by the brightest minds and prestigious institutions in the world. Stark has access to modern day universities and literature research. Shuri lives in Wakanda, where they do not exchange information with the outside world. Who is teaching her biomechanics, organic chemistry, metellurgy to a level that most western students wouldnt even dream of possessing? Well first they may not exchange information, but that doesn't mean they don't receive information from sources. We don't know if Wakandans have access to the internet. I pretty sure with how technical they are they can without being detected. And also you don't know how good the schools are. Just because they don't connect with the outside world that doesn't mean the have crappy schools. Who is to say that 200 years ago they had a scientist that figured out E=mc2. They are a few decades past us in science. It's not like Einstein was the only person who could've come up with his Theorys. If you don't want to got the route that others in Wakanda have figured out most what we know now without contact with outside world we can go with Srinivasa Ramanujan. In real life Srinivasa had no formal training in Advance Mathematics. He made substantial contributions to mathematical analysis, number theory, infinite series, and continued fractions, including solutions to mathematical problems considered to be unsolvable. Wakanda's technological advancement happened in parallel with the rest of the world. They fabricated tools, observed their environment and researched and cataloged natural phenomenon like any other culture would. The only difference being they had the benefit of an advanced, energy manipulating metal (with mutagenic properties) to help speed along their advancement. |
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Post by cricket on Mar 6, 2018 20:43:53 GMT
The same college where Diana Prince learned to speak English, I suppose...
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Post by charzhino on Mar 6, 2018 20:47:33 GMT
Youve said alot but it doesn't answer the question. Being a genius like Shuri is, doesn't happen by luck or chance. You need to be educated by the brightest minds and prestigious institutions in the world. Stark has access to modern day universities and literature research. Shuri lives in Wakanda, where they do not exchange information with the outside world. Who is teaching her biomechanics, organic chemistry, metellurgy to a level that most western students wouldnt even dream of possessing? Well first they may not exchange information, but that doesn't mean they don't receive information from sources. We don't know if Wakandans have access to the internet. I pretty sure with how technical they are they can without being detected. And also you don't know how good the schools are. Just because they don't connect with the outside world that doesn't mean the have crappy schools. Who is to say that 200 years ago they had a scientist that figured out E=mc2. They are a few decades past us in science. It's not like Einstein was the only person who could've come up with his Theorys. If you don't want to got the route that others in Wakanda have figured out most what we know now without contact with outside world we can go with Srinivasa Ramanujan. In real life Srinivasa had no formal training in Advance Mathematics. He made substantial contributions to mathematical analysis, number theory, infinite series, and continued fractions, including solutions to mathematical problems considered to be unsolvable. Thats all fine, but my point is that without outside guidance and collaboration from experts in the field, its impossibly to envisage that Shuri can reach a level of intellect that surpasses Tony Stark (the guy who literally created a new elemant). Isaac Newton invented calculus from scratch when no one else had a clue. But he went to Cambridge university and was in frequent contact with experts where information and theories could be exchanged in an academic environment. Newton then later said his famous quote about standing on the shoulders of giants. Shuri has no assistance other than what we assume is Google and basic science teachers. |
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Post by Vassaggo on Mar 6, 2018 20:47:35 GMT
Well first they may not exchange information, but that doesn't mean they don't receive information from sources. We don't know if Wakandans have access to the internet. I pretty sure with how technical they are they can without being detected. And also you don't know how good the schools are. Just because they don't connect with the outside world that doesn't mean the have crappy schools. Who is to say that 200 years ago they had a scientist that figured out E=mc2. They are a few decades past us in science. It's not like Einstein was the only person who could've come up with his Theorys. If you don't want to got the route that others in Wakanda have figured out most what we know now without contact with outside world we can go with Srinivasa Ramanujan. In real life Srinivasa had no formal training in Advance Mathematics. He made substantial contributions to mathematical analysis, number theory, infinite series, and continued fractions, including solutions to mathematical problems considered to be unsolvable. Wakanda's technological advancement happened in parallel with the rest of the world. They fabricated tools, observed their environment and researched and cataloged natural phenomenon like any other culture would. The only difference being they had the benefit from an advanced, energy manipulating metal (with mutagenic properties) to help speed along their advancement. I would say what is shown in the movie they are still slightly ahead of the rest of the world. Now granted this particular world has Tony Stark, Reed Richards (hopefully) etc. So the "normal" world is past real life too. I think by working with the Vibranium for as long as they have they figured out many things in science and technology from using studying it. They just got a head start at learning natural law because of the most versatile metal/substance ever. |
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Post by cricket on Mar 6, 2018 20:50:13 GMT
Uh... CLEARLY Wakanda has its own schools and physicists and etc. Its sheer arrogance to think that intelligence can only come from one area of the world. All the evidence points that it does. Who was the last nobel prize winning scientist either of African descent or teaching at an African university? And with this you made the step from trolling to stupidity and racism... Congratulations!!! If your weren't a DCEU fan, I wouldn't have believed it... |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Mar 6, 2018 20:50:42 GMT
Uh... CLEARLY Wakanda has its own schools and physicists and etc. Its sheer arrogance to think that intelligence can only come from one area of the world. All the evidence points that it does. Who was the last nobel prize winning scientist either of African descent or teaching at an African university? Do you know the difference between a fictional depiction of the world and the real world? You can't be so caught up in the tedium of "groundedness" that you can't make the distinction. The rules of the real world are altered in the fictitious Marvel Universe as to make the circumstances you deny not only highly probable but possible. You're so racist you won't even let African people have the fantasy of technological and scientific dominance in a sci-fi, comic book setting. It just doesn't compute for you even as a fucking fantastical idea. If they even dream it, Africans have to wake up and apologize to you. Stan Lee and Jack Kirby, created Wakanda to be the most advanced nation on the planet in the Marvel universe. They did it willfully and intentionally. With few exceptions, the brightest mind on earth in the MU come from Wakanda. It may be improbable or unlikely or a pure flight of fucking fancy but, it is what it is, Jack. Deal with it. |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Mar 6, 2018 20:52:41 GMT
Uh... CLEARLY Wakanda has its own schools and physicists and etc. Its sheer arrogance to think that intelligence can only come from one area of the world. All the evidence points that it does. Who was the last nobel prize winning scientist either of African descent or teaching at an African university? I'm not going to get into it with you about all the socioeconomic issues involved that make it so. It's a thinly veiled racist agenda you're espousing there, buddy. Do little research so you can how many notable people of high intelligence who have made international contributions are of color and from other countries.
Not to mention the fact that in the MCU Wakanda IS a source of such knowledge.
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Post by charzhino on Mar 6, 2018 20:53:39 GMT
. I think by working with the Vibranium for as long as they have they figured out many things in science and technology from using studying it. They just got a head start at learning natural law because of the most versatile metal/substance ever. But to manipulate the metal they would need in depth knowledge of metallurgy. They would need to build and operate NMR machines, X-ray spectrometers, etc. If they dont learn from someone in the outside world how is that possible? |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Mar 6, 2018 20:54:18 GMT
All the evidence points that it does. Who was the last nobel prize winning scientist either of African descent or teaching at an African university? I'm not going to get into it with you about all the socioeconomic issues involved that make it so. It's a thinly veiled racist agenda you're espousing there, buddy. Do little research so you can how many notable people of high intelligence who have made international contributions are of color and from other countries.
Not to mention the fact that in the MCU Wakanda IS a source of such knowledge.
Thinly veiled. This dude done lifted his whole skirt up. This is the full monty, baby. |
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Post by charzhino on Mar 6, 2018 20:54:25 GMT
All the evidence points that it does. Who was the last nobel prize winning scientist either of African descent or teaching at an African university? And with this you made the step from trolling to stupidity and racism... Congratulations!!! If your weren't a DCEU fan, I wouldn't have believed it... Why dont you answer the question. Il give you a hint; you are afraid of the answer. |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Mar 6, 2018 20:55:42 GMT
All the evidence points that it does. Who was the last nobel prize winning scientist either of African descent or teaching at an African university? And with this you made the step from trolling to stupidity and racism... Congratulations!!! If your weren't a DCEU fan, I wouldn't have believed it... WHOA! Whoa. whoa.... What does DCEU have to do with it? I think we're on the same page in calling him out for stupidity, but his being or not being a DC fan has nothing to do with it. He's just stupid. Period. I'm a DC fan and I agree with you. Leave DC out of the MCU conversation. |
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Post by charzhino on Mar 6, 2018 20:56:42 GMT
All the evidence points that it does. Who was the last nobel prize winning scientist either of African descent or teaching at an African university? I'm not going to get into it with you about all the socioeconomic issues involved that make it so. It's a thinly veiled racist agenda you're espousing there, buddy. Do little research so you can how many notable people of high intelligence who have made international contributions are of color and from other countries.
Not to mention the fact that in the MCU Wakanda IS a source of such knowledge.
But where is the source of knowledge coming from? Thats my question. Is the vibranium sentient and able to increase the IQs of the people it interacts with? Is the panther god teaching these people? If its an answer like that, then im happy to accept it. |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Mar 6, 2018 20:59:16 GMT
And with this you made the step from trolling to stupidity and racism... Congratulations!!! If your weren't a DCEU fan, I wouldn't have believed it... Why dont you answer the question. Il give you a hint; you are afraid of the answer. I'LL answer the question. All the evidence does NOT add up to that. Your so called facts are highly skewed and greatly misinformed. Answered. |
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