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Post by cricket on Mar 7, 2018 14:20:59 GMT
I enjoyed JL more than BP. It appears to me that most on these boards did too. Is that so? Okay then. That's cool. I guess me and the small group of others who did enjoy Black Panther will have to enjoy the critical praise, financial success and inevitable sequels - all by our lonesome. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. The guy's perception is as bad as his posts. Well, it appears to me that most on these boards already know this.
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Post by Surly on Mar 7, 2018 14:44:31 GMT
Well first they may not exchange information, but that doesn't mean they don't receive information from sources. We don't know if Wakandans have access to the internet. I pretty sure with how technical they are they can without being detected. And also you don't know how good the schools are. Just because they don't connect with the outside world that doesn't mean the have crappy schools. Who is to say that 200 years ago they had a scientist that figured out E=mc2. They are a few decades past us in science. It's not like Einstein was the only person who could've come up with his Theorys. If you don't want to got the route that others in Wakanda have figured out most what we know now without contact with outside world we can go with Srinivasa Ramanujan. In real life Srinivasa had no formal training in Advance Mathematics. He made substantial contributions to mathematical analysis, number theory, infinite series, and continued fractions, including solutions to mathematical problems considered to be unsolvable. Thats all fine, but my point is that without outside guidance and collaboration from experts in the field, its impossibly to envisage that Shuri can reach a level of intellect that surpasses Tony Stark (the guy who literally created a new elemant). Isaac Newton invented calculus from scratch when no one else had a clue. But he went to Cambridge university and was in frequent contact with experts where information and theories could be exchanged in an academic environment. Newton then later said his famous quote about standing on the shoulders of giants. Shuri has no assistance other than what we assume is Google and basic science teachers. That's an assumption that she only had the internet. We saw a few panoramic shots of their city and the technology it was landscaped with. Just because we didn't see a cameo shot of a university doesn't mean that they didn't have one. Obviously technological advances couldn't be supported for centuries if they didn't have an advanced education system in place. Unfortunately they didn't spend time developing Suri's backstory regarding her genius and education. But then again she is not the title character like Tony Stark or Bruce Banner. Also it seems the criticizers keep ignoring the opening backstory of the movie that explained that for centuries the mountain Wakandan people gravitated towards metallurgy of vibranium and the discovery of the technologies it supported. It's not hard to fathom or totally inconceivable. Think of the leaps certain nations made in history when they came upon one technological advancement. Bronze, iron, gunpowder... and that's just a handful of examples. I could go on.
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Post by Surly on Mar 7, 2018 14:53:16 GMT
And it seems you flunked out of troll university. She is a bit of an MS but, the assumption that you can’t learn anything about science, math, engineering or physics without having to leave Wakanda is blinding stupid and borderline racist. The whole idea of Wakanda is that it is the most advanced nation on earth. Yet no one is Wakanda is smart enough to figure out how to choose a leader in the 21st century without resorting to violence and bloodshed and mortal combat even though most of the rest of the world has already done so. Nope, Wakanda isn't advanced at all. WAKANDA IS JUST A BARBARIC AND SAVAGE AND UNCIVILIZED NATION THAT'S FAR BEHIND MOST OF THE WORLD.A hundred years from now someone might say the same things about the USA when they see that they entertained themselves with MMA and a game that gave most it's participants CTE and other brain trauma diseases. Your biased argument continues to look like Swiss cheese.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 7, 2018 16:00:54 GMT
And it's also the best part of one of the most critically acclaimed and box office record-breaking comic book movies in the history of the genre. So, there's that too. It even beat every single DCEU movie in nearly every measurable category the industry has to offer. From this vantage point, it looks like barbarism and savagery are in the eye of the beholder. Even if your opinion was supposed to mean something, there are millions of people who would disagree. So you and the rest of the new intelligencia can go to your secret island where they make perfectly grounded CBMs, and you can celebrate being right and alone. It's a hard roe to hoe DC-Fan but, I know you can do it. I enjoyed JL more than BP. It appears to me that most on these boards did too. Just the ones who still can't accept that DC's big guns could lose to Thor and the Hulk.
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Post by ThatGuy on Mar 7, 2018 23:11:12 GMT
I enjoyed JL more than BP. It appears to me that most on these boards did too. Just the ones who still can't accept that DC's big guns could lose to Thor and the Hulk. Did you see Thor Ragnarok Honest Trailer when they say "The Current State of the DCEU" and it was Thor landing in a huge garbage pile?
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 8, 2018 0:53:09 GMT
Just the ones who still can't accept that DC's big guns could lose to Thor and the Hulk. Did you see Thor Ragnarok Honest Trailer when they say "The Current State of the DCEU" and it was Thor landing in a huge garbage pile? Oh yeah.
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Post by DC-Fan on Mar 8, 2018 3:39:03 GMT
[Just think of Wakanda like it was the Western World. They just were accelerated. They went through the same process we did. They started in Stone Age, Copper Age, Bronze Age, Iron Age, Steel Age, Industrial Revolution,, Information Age, Post Modern Age. They just did in isolation and with out the knowledge of the rest of the world. And they did it before the rest of the world. I guess i will accept that answer but im not totally satisfied with it. Its very hard to believe an isolationist nation can rise to that level of technology and science without outside information, collaboration and exchange of information. The Western World achieved where it is because they learnt mathematics from Asia, science from europe , philosophy from greece, etc. They had free flow of people. Agreed. The reason that Oxford and Cambridge and Harvard and Yale are such highly-respected universities is because they have Professors who are the among the top scholars within their fields from all over the world. Since Wakanda doesn't allow foreigners into their country, Wakanda's universities wouldn't have any top Professors and thus would be low-rated schools and nowhere as good as top universities like Oxford and Cambridge and Harvard and Yale. Wakanda's universities are probably no better than the average community college in America. That would explain why no one in Wakanda is smart enough to come up with a peaceful way to choose a leader without any violence and bloodshed and mortal combat when most of the rest of the world has already done so. Because isolationism has made Wakandan 1 of the dumbest nations in the world.
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Post by sostie on Mar 8, 2018 9:19:20 GMT
I guess i will accept that answer but im not totally satisfied with it. Its very hard to believe an isolationist nation can rise to that level of technology and science without outside information, collaboration and exchange of information. The Western World achieved where it is because they learnt mathematics from Asia, science from europe , philosophy from greece, etc. They had free flow of people. Agreed. The reason that Oxford and Cambridge and Harvard and Yale are such highly-respected universities is because they have Professors who are the among the top scholars within their fields from all over the world. Since Wakanda doesn't allow foreigners into their country, Wakanda's universities wouldn't have any top Professors and thus would be low-rated schools and nowhere as good as top universities like Oxford and Cambridge and Harvard and Yale. Wakanda's universities are probably no better than the average community college in America. That would explain why no one in Wakanda is smart enough to come up with a peaceful way to choose a leader without any violence and bloodshed and mortal combat when most of the rest of the world has already done so. Because isolationism has made Wakandan 1 of the dumbest nations in the world. Oh sweet Baby Jesus is this guy for real. I've noticed you generally post less frequently since the Oscar nominations. Any reason for this?
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Mar 8, 2018 10:55:25 GMT
It's not impossible for her to go to school outside of wakanda. We know that they send their people out to interact with the outside world.
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Post by charzhino on Mar 8, 2018 11:13:53 GMT
It's not impossible for her to go to school outside of wakanda. We know that they send their people out to interact with the outside world. But from hints in the film the way she calls the white guy a colonizer and the fact T'Challa prevents her coming with him when he goes abroad suggests she hasnt been outside wakanda and never intetacted with white people there. The only good reason ive got is from politicidal, that other elders who travel outside Wakanda go to other countries and pass on their education to young Wakandans.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Mar 8, 2018 11:22:35 GMT
It's not impossible for her to go to school outside of wakanda. We know that they send their people out to interact with the outside world. But from hints in the film the way she calls the white guy a colonizer and the fact T'Challa prevents her coming with him when he goes abroad suggests she hasnt been outside wakanda and never intetacted with white people there. The only good reason ive got is from politicidal, that other elders who travel outside Wakanda go to other countries and pass on their education to young Wakandans. The elders explanation isn't a bad one. By the way why are people on this board upset about the "colonizer" comment? She's technically right.
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Post by Vassaggo on Mar 8, 2018 12:32:05 GMT
I guess i will accept that answer but im not totally satisfied with it. Its very hard to believe an isolationist nation can rise to that level of technology and science without outside information, collaboration and exchange of information. The Western World achieved where it is because they learnt mathematics from Asia, science from europe , philosophy from greece, etc. They had free flow of people. Agreed. The reason that Oxford and Cambridge and Harvard and Yale are such highly-respected universities is because they have Professors who are the among the top scholars within their fields from all over the world. Since Wakanda doesn't allow foreigners into their country, Wakanda's universities wouldn't have any top Professors and thus would be low-rated schools and nowhere as good as top universities like Oxford and Cambridge and Harvard and Yale. Wakanda's universities are probably no better than the average community college in America. That would explain why no one in Wakanda is smart enough to come up with a peaceful way to choose a leader without any violence and bloodshed and mortal combat when most of the rest of the world has already done so. Because isolationism has made Wakandan 1 of the dumbest nations in the world. I've called Dc-Fan a closeted MCU fan a few days ago. I've rarely seen him post in DCEU board. At this point his machinations are so over the top that it looks fake. I honestly think he is a MCU fan trying to make DCEU fans look emotionally stunted, sociopathic and ignorant.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 8, 2018 12:42:07 GMT
I guess i will accept that answer but im not totally satisfied with it. Its very hard to believe an isolationist nation can rise to that level of technology and science without outside information, collaboration and exchange of information. The Western World achieved where it is because they learnt mathematics from Asia, science from europe , philosophy from greece, etc. They had free flow of people. That would explain why no one in Wakanda is smart enough to come up with a peaceful way to choose a leader without any violence and bloodshed and mortal combat when most of the rest of the world has already done so. Because isolationism has made Wakandan 1 of the dumbest nations in the world. It's more because their God told them to do so. Like how the Amazons do what Zeus told them what to do?
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 8, 2018 13:48:03 GMT
No, he's real. His real name is Ken Yan, he's this old Asian guy who claims to work IT in California. I found his facebook profile, it's as demented as his postings here. Oh Sam, you didn’t have to that. DC-Fan deserves his privacy. If not for the commonness of his name and the ridiculously large population of CA, I’d say you’d done him a real disservice. Well, his old IMDB profile outright stated he was an IT Professional in California (it said which city, but I won't reveal that). I found the facebook stuff when I was into a DC/Marvel argument and noticed Ken Yan was using the exact same arguments as DC-Fan. Like copy and paste.
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Post by Vassaggo on Mar 8, 2018 14:01:13 GMT
No, he's real. His real name is Ken Yan, he's this old Asian guy who claims to work IT in California. I found his facebook profile, it's as demented as his postings here. Oh Sam, you didn’t have to that. DC-Fan deserves his privacy. If not for the commonness of his name and the ridiculously large population of CA, I’d say you’d done him a real disservice. off topic but I was looking for pics of your namesake to familiarize my self with him. I honestly didn't know there was a DC villain named Lord Death Man. It seems like in the beginning he was a dude in a skull mask and ribs on his shirt. Now it seems he is actually undead? Is he a complete skeleton now? Or is it just his head.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Mar 8, 2018 14:06:28 GMT
Oh Sam, you didn’t have to that. DC-Fan deserves his privacy. If not for the commonness of his name and the ridiculously large population of CA, I’d say you’d done him a real disservice. off topic but I was looking for pics of your namesake to familiarize my self with him. I honestly didn't know there was a DC villain named Lord Death Man. It seems like in the beginning he was a dude in a skull mask and ribs on his shirt. Now it seems he is actually undead? Is he a complete skeleton now? Or is it just his head. As I understand it, he’s still wearing a Skeleton costume. It’s just more sophisticated. He’s literally wearing a molded skeleton over his actual head. No one has ever seen his real face and he appears to be able to resurrect himself after death. That, and being a criminal mastermind/psychotic, are his only known powers. No one knows how he does it. Spooky.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Mar 8, 2018 16:08:40 GMT
formersamhmdLord Death ManI think you should delete these posts. Even if he isn't careful about protecting his own privacy on line, it doesn't feel right to be exposing him here on this board.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 8, 2018 16:11:16 GMT
formersamhmd Lord Death Man I think you should delete these posts. Even if he isn't careful about protecting his own privacy on line, it doesn't feel right to be exposing him here on this board. Hmmm, maybe you're right. Deleted.
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Post by bluerisk on Mar 8, 2018 16:23:28 GMT
Shes super smart yet from whats shown in the film she never left Wakanda. So where has she studied advanced chemistry, physics and biology to have knowledge superior to Stark supposedly. All the best university's are in the Western world, where guys like Stark, Xavier and Reed Richards attend to master their field of science. All of your assumptions are based on the idea that Wakanda somehow has no learning institutions of its own and that all of the best learning institutions are in the West. Within the Marvel Universe, that couldn't be farther from the truth. You wouldn't ask the same question of Tony Stark because the answer would be irrelevant. The real (and frankly obvious) answer for both Tony and Shuri is that they are geniuses who would have likely arrived at their level of knowledge and mastery over multiple fields regardless of where they were educated. For a deep dive into the Wakandan culture, government, and its education system (which differs radically from its hyper-capitalist western counterparts in structure and pedagogical approach) see Ta-Nehisi Coates' lauded run on Black Panther and Roxane Gay and Yona Harvey's World of Wakanda.In other words, go read a comic book. Sincerely, Death Man Stanford is real, the MIT is real, Oxford is real - Wakanda is not.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Mar 8, 2018 16:26:07 GMT
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